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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2007 17:35:43 GMT -5
I knew Benoit didnt get up and go "Hey why dont I kill my family and then myself" or He didnt kill them because of roid rage or anything. What? 20 Years of whiplash and diving headbutts and bleeding and etc. Also I knew some members would find a way to make it look like Benoit knew what he was doing ^^^^
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2007 17:40:35 GMT -5
^ you i think the headbutts thing is a load of crap, odds are he hardly ever "butted heads" when connecting off the top
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2007 17:47:59 GMT -5
^ you i think the headbutts thing is a load of ****, odds are he hardly ever "butted heads" when connecting off the top Even if they are bullshiz, All the whiplash from the turnbuckles, and chairshots and blading still comes in effect, makes it worse when youve been doing for 20 Years
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Post by randyorton9 on Sept 5, 2007 17:51:55 GMT -5
I saw it on the main page of wf and its probably all them headbutts hes been doing ;D
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 5, 2007 18:19:02 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks this gives Benoit a free pass is a moron. Anyone who thinks this excuses what he did in any way shape or form is an even bigger moron. There are lots of wrestlers walking around out there with tons of concussions who aren't killing their families. Look at football players even. Merrill Hoge got his brain so rattled he had to learn how to walk again. Steve Young was one hit away from eating baby food. I don't see either of those guys killing their wife and kid.
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Post by guygardner on Sept 5, 2007 18:19:18 GMT -5
None of this excuses or justifies what Benoit did. It's an interesting twist in the story but it doesn't change anything.
He's a murderer and I will remember him as such.
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Post by Blackbird 13 on Sept 5, 2007 18:31:38 GMT -5
Well.. here's the thing...
I purposely haven't commented much on the Chris Benoit situation, because it seemed out of character from EVERYONE's perspective.. lest we also not forget the cryptic texts and phone calls of "I love you". If Chris Benoit wasn't mentally straight WHEN HE DECIDED to do what he did, than I don't give him a free pass for it, but I don't think of him as a horrible person for it either. You can't judge one man's entire life on actions he committed when he wasn't right in the head. Anyone who has mentally unfit family members or friends would know that.
Not saying it excuses him.. but it does explain things a bit more..
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 5, 2007 19:04:33 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks this gives Benoit a free pass is a moron. Anyone who thinks this excuses what he did in any way shape or form is an even bigger moron. There are lots of wrestlers walking around out there with tons of concussions who aren't killing their families. Look at football players even. Merrill Hoge got his brain so rattled he had to learn how to walk again. Steve Young was one hit away from eating baby food. I don't see either of those guys killing their wife and kid. So, out of curiosity, how much blame would you put on an Alzheimer's patient who was hit by an oncoming vehicle while crossing a busy street, because they didn't look both ways? How accountable are you for your actions when you are suffering from an altered state? When you are that impaired, you don't have a clear sense of right and wrong or anything else for that matter. Someone could ask them the color of the sky and their answer could be flannel. No, this is not a common occurrence, however anyone who says "this doesn't change anything" is oversimplifying things out of their own ignorance. The way different circumstances affect us medically is something doctors are still confounded by. There is a reason someone can smoke for 10 years and have lung cancer while someone else can smoke for 60 and not. There's a reason why a vegetarian can suffer a heart attack while someone who eats sausage and biscuits every morning from little league into their retirement never even suffers a head cold much less a heart problem. Anyone who folds their arms at this news and says, "Nope, don't matter." is just being ridiculously ignorant.
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Post by xbonex80 on Sept 5, 2007 19:14:53 GMT -5
i wonder what it was like cutting open his head...
"BAH GAWD THEY CRACKED BENOITS SKULL WITH THAT HAMMER!!"
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Post by kamardo on Sept 5, 2007 19:23:55 GMT -5
On topic: I still say something happened to benoit. Like yes he killed his family, I dont think it was steroids.
Off Topic: I wish someone would go on roid rage or have something wrong with their brain's in MSNBC and CNBC, so they can kill Nancy Grace, Bill O'Reily, Glenn Beck, etc
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Post by slappy on Sept 5, 2007 19:27:18 GMT -5
Why hasn't any other wrestler done this then? If it's from all the bumps and crap, why is he the only one to have done this?
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Post by BulletV1 on Sept 5, 2007 20:06:00 GMT -5
I don't give a crap if he had brain damage. It was ultimately still his choice, and his choice alone to kill himself, and his family.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Sept 5, 2007 20:09:26 GMT -5
I still think he hit Burke's knees really hard at that ECW taping. Perhaps that initiated everything.
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Post by slappy on Sept 5, 2007 20:10:01 GMT -5
So we charge Burke with murder or manslaughter?
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 5, 2007 20:14:36 GMT -5
Why hasn't any other wrestler done this then? If it's from all the bumps and ****, why is he the only one to have done this? These things happen, man. I mean, it's not all that different than me and my cousin. We're the same age, about a half inch difference in height, five pounds difference in weight... one of us is a diabetic with high blood pressure, the other is healthy as can be. There are various, non-apparent contributing factors which make the difference. Benoit may have been a one-in-a-thousand shot, we simply do not know. It is entirely possible that the level of brain damage wasn't the only cause, but when combined with different drugs from steroids to anti-depressants, it led to this. That is something that requires more study.
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Post by slappy on Sept 5, 2007 20:16:04 GMT -5
Doctor's being interviewed on the news are saying that this proves a lot more and makes it not Roid Rage.
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Post by amxfiles on Sept 5, 2007 20:24:08 GMT -5
I think we should keep his brain in the Smithsonian right next to Walt Disney's and Ted Williams frozen heads.
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Post by mrchase on Sept 5, 2007 20:59:37 GMT -5
I don't give a **** if he had brain damage. It was ultimately still his choice, and his choice alone to kill himself, and his family. no it was not his choice . benoit was not in control of himself this is saying .he was mentally gone with it & that means he had no control at all. so stop being stupid & listen to waht is being said . that is like saying mental intellectually- disabled person has control of what he is doing but they don't.
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Post by ajmgolf on Sept 5, 2007 21:22:55 GMT -5
Obviously no one really knows what really happend. It's been proven that his brain was messed up enough to cause this. Some of you would like to label him a murderer, and your entitled to your own opinion, but I find it real hard to pass judgement on a situation that has so many unanswered questions.
Some people here need to do some medical research before the post the same lame responses "oh, I don't care.... he's a murderer".
And no, not all people who have brain damage snap, but it was proven that 2 ex football players that took their own life had the same thing Benoit did. All that is being said, is that it could have factored in.
No one here is exempting Benoit from what happend, but we are just factoring in what could have caused this.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 5, 2007 21:46:06 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks this gives Benoit a free pass is a moron. Anyone who thinks this excuses what he did in any way shape or form is an even bigger moron. There are lots of wrestlers walking around out there with tons of concussions who aren't killing their families. Look at football players even. Merrill Hoge got his brain so rattled he had to learn how to walk again. Steve Young was one hit away from eating baby food. I don't see either of those guys killing their wife and kid. So, out of curiosity, how much blame would you put on an Alzheimer's patient who was hit by an oncoming vehicle while crossing a busy street, because they didn't look both ways? How accountable are you for your actions when you are suffering from an altered state? When you are that impaired, you don't have a clear sense of right and wrong or anything else for that matter. Someone could ask them the color of the sky and their answer could be flannel. No, this is not a common occurrence, however anyone who says "this doesn't change anything" is oversimplifying things out of their own ignorance. The way different circumstances affect us medically is something doctors are still confounded by. There is a reason someone can smoke for 10 years and have lung cancer while someone else can smoke for 60 and not. There's a reason why a vegetarian can suffer a heart attack while someone who eats sausage and biscuits every morning from little league into their retirement never even suffers a head cold much less a heart problem. Anyone who folds their arms at this news and says, "Nope, don't matter." is just being ridiculously ignorant. I simply don't buy that he was in an altered state. His actions around the time clearly spell out some rational thinking. He called the WWE to say that he wouldn't be at the house show or the PPV. After killing his wife and kid he placed Bibles next to their bodies. The way he killed himself with the weight machine and even the text messages he sent I think show that he was thinking rationally on some level.
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