CM Punk
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Post by CM Punk on Sept 6, 2007 18:52:20 GMT -5
even if he had head trauma, I dont understand how someone could kill their whole family suffering from head trauma. He's a murderer. plain and simple Dude start thinking what your gonna say! Dude he had so much brain damage that thier were suprised he could even talk or think straight I would go nuts/Not kill family but you can understand he has had over 15 concussions 100's of chair shots and 1000's of head butts his brain just went bad and he couldnt think!
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Post by rkolegendkilla on Sept 6, 2007 18:55:28 GMT -5
even if he had head trauma, I dont understand how someone could kill their whole family suffering from head trauma. He's a murderer. plain and simple Dude start thinking what your gonna say! Dude he had so much brain damage that thier were suprised he could even talk or think straight I would go nuts/Not kill family but you can understand he has had over 15 concussions 100's of chair shots and 1000's of head butts his brain just went bad and he couldnt think! I can't believe you. I will state it again -- Charles Manson was ed up in the head, is he still a great person?
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mike
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Post by mike on Sept 6, 2007 19:00:49 GMT -5
Head injuries didn't make him kill people, thats not a excuse.
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Post by dustin on Sept 6, 2007 19:01:16 GMT -5
I'm a little more understanding now. I definitely don't blame Benoit for his actions. That is a joke right?
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 6, 2007 20:04:21 GMT -5
Dude start thinking what your gonna say! Dude he had so much brain damage that thier were suprised he could even talk or think straight I would go nuts/Not kill family but you can understand he has had over 15 concussions 100's of chair shots and 1000's of head butts his brain just went bad and he couldnt think! I can't believe you. I will state it again -- Charles Manson was ed up in the head, is he still a great person? How much head trauma did Manson suffer? Oh, what's that? "He didn't," you say? Ex- ing-actly. Head injuries didn't make him kill people, thats not a excuse. Tell me, where did you attend medical school? At least one specialist disagrees with you. Now, you tell me who has more merit to speak on the subject.
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bigtaurus78
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Post by bigtaurus78 on Sept 6, 2007 21:02:00 GMT -5
Since everyone is chiming in, I figure I'll throw my two cents in. First off, I want to take about Chris Benoit the performer. I personally never found Chris Benoit to be anything incredible in the ring. Yes, for the most part he could execute moves in the ring flawlessly. But he wasn't perfect. In his ECW days, he dropped Sabu on his head and broke his neck. Most people here like to rag on some wrestlers for being sloppy, but for the most part they like to forget about this. Not to mention that his stiff in-ring style was a liability. Also, I could name you plenty of performers who were better in-ring technicians such as Eddie Guerrero, Ric Flair, Curt Henning, Bret Hart, Dean Malenko, Steve Austin prior to getting his neck broken by Owen Hart, Ted DiBiase, Scott Steiner prior to his back injury, and Kurt Angle. And some of these guys actually had charisma, something Benoit sorely lacked. Also, I find it funny how many internet smarks like to rag on big guys and saying they are obvious roid freaks, when Benoit was so jacked that his arms could barely touch his sides. His only appeal as champion was that he was a guy who dedicated his life to the business and it seemed only fair that if he worked hard enough, he should be rewarded. However, WWE and professional wrestling as a whole is a business and not a competitive sport. Ratings were pretty low when he was champ. He didn't set the world on fire, and ultimately dropped the title to Randy Orton. Yeah, he was a pretty good wrestler, but not great. Now let's talk about Chris Benoit the man. I don't know if many people on here remember, but his wife Nancy was married to Kevin Sullivan when they met in WCW. They had an affair together with Nancy ultimately leaving Sullivan. Sorry, but this right here alone makes him an bunghole in my book. He talked so much about respect for the business, his love for the business, but I guess respect for the sanctity of someone else's marriage is fair game, huh? Move past this, pretty much everyone who has ever said anything about him always talked about him keeping to himself and giving younger talent a hard time. Sounds like an antisocial jerk to me. Sorry, but who the hell did he think he was? But hey, since everyone else accepted it, I gues it was okay. And next, Chris Benoit the legacy. Chris Benoit did more to harm wrestling than wrestling ever did to harm Benoit. Because of his drug possession and use, the media decided to sensationalize this story and turn it into an attack on the current state of wrestling with has-beens and never-weres coming out of the woodworks to get their faces on TV again. Is there a problem with drug use in wrestling? The real question is when was there not drug use in wrestling? Drug use is rampant in many other entertainemnt industries, most notably the music industry as well as in Hollywood. I don't see any bringing a call to action to combat this issue there. The fact is the choice has always been that of the individual performer, and no one else's. But with Congess getting involved now, I see people getting lumped together as a whole and the wrestling business suffering for it. Now on to Chris Benoit's brain. There is no doubt that he suffered brain damage as a result of his time in the ring and you could make a case about diminished capacity. However, like others have said, he did not kill his family in an explosive rage all at once. He first bound his wife, killed her, and then placed a bible by her. Nearly an entire day later, he kills his son and lays a bible by him as well. And nearly a day later he kills himself. His wires may have been crossed, but this whole act seemed methodical, if not ritualistic. His brain damage may have caused him to think differently, but like it or not he still acted on his own. Unless there are other cases of people with head trauma such as his that systematically kill people in a similar fashion, we have no choice but to accept the fact that while his brain damage played a part of this tragedy, it is not the cause or reason for it. I understand there are those that will be upset at the things I wrote, but I feel that Chris Benoit is wrongfully idolized. Not because of his final acts on this Earth, but because I don't believe he was an overall great person or performer. You are free to disagree. Thank you for your time.
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Post by Mark on Sept 6, 2007 21:03:15 GMT -5
Dude start thinking what your gonna say! Dude he had so much brain damage that thier were suprised he could even talk or think straight I would go nuts/Not kill family but you can understand he has had over 15 concussions 100's of chair shots and 1000's of head butts his brain just went bad and he couldnt think! I can't believe you. I will state it again -- Charles Manson was ed up in the head, is he still a great person? no cause Im sure he didnt give to chairty and spend time at make a wish foundation
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Post by Suckasays on Sept 6, 2007 21:57:30 GMT -5
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Post by coolguylol on Sept 6, 2007 22:02:44 GMT -5
No matter what "head trauma" he suffered, it still doesn't excuse what he did. The man still took the life his son and wife, then himself, and is a murderer. NOTHING anyone says will change my mind. Yes Im sure you were never a fan of Benoit and probably didnt no that the man Loved his family to death and would never mentally murder them himself. Every new that there was a problem no man that has been married for 15 years just kills them theres always a problem always. We will never really no. But We do no that it wasent the regular benoit. Something happened in his brain man. Have faith in benoit about 75% on hear do I no he didnt do it the Man Loved His Family! WATCH THE NEWS!!! And Watch WRESTLING if you think he didnt love his family. Oh, but he did murder his family. And you still like the man?
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Post by BulletV1 on Sept 6, 2007 22:06:30 GMT -5
So we are still praising Benoit. So people on here seem to like people who can cut a decent promo. So lets all start praising Hitler, he was a smart guy, and he use of a "common enemy/scapegoat" always works. He was a damn good speaker, and had a crap load of charisma, and a lot people will tell you to study videos of him for classes in public speaking.* So, yeah I wouldn't be surprised if you all start liking Hitler
*I don't condone Hitler's actions, in any way, shape, or form. I was just using that as an example.
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Post by lonerchick on Sept 6, 2007 22:28:15 GMT -5
I think everyone wants a reason why a man would murder his wife and son. And now we are reaching for anything. exactly, unfortonately though we will never know why it happened. of course the brain damage thing does make things sound more understandable....i mean look at all the other wrestlers who have killed them selves....of all things, it would make many fans feel better if you could prove 100% that the deaths were caused by some kind of brain damage i just hope some good can come out of it....
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Post by sean™ on Sept 6, 2007 22:52:59 GMT -5
We will NEVER know the REAL reason why he did what he did. SO whats the point in fighting about it?
Not to mention, in my personal opinion, it doesn't matter why he did it. He killed 2 people and himself. End of Story.
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Post by ajmgolf on Sept 6, 2007 23:02:11 GMT -5
Dude start thinking what your gonna say! Dude he had so much brain damage that thier were suprised he could even talk or think straight I would go nuts/Not kill family but you can understand he has had over 15 concussions 100's of chair shots and 1000's of head butts his brain just went bad and he couldnt think! I can't believe you. I will state it again -- Charles Manson was ed up in the head, is he still a great person? Well, just to give you some insight on Charles Manson....when he was a kid, his mother prostituted herself, while he was made to watch. Tell me that doesn't SCREW your mind up!!! Look, put it through your head, things can happen! No one is saying he is not responsible, but yet saying this is what might have caused someone to go overboard. You ever heard of multiple personality. I can tell you that is a real illness. I have a family member who has that, and they can't remember at times how they got to a certain spot. I know this isn't what was wrong with Chris, but what I'm trying to get across, is that brain damage is a real possibility to have caused this act. Take it for what you want, but people don't go home and say, "oh, I think I'll kill my family today".
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Post by rkolegendkilla on Sept 7, 2007 0:49:45 GMT -5
I can't believe you. I will state it again -- Charles Manson was ed up in the head, is he still a great person? no cause Im sure he didnt give to chairty and spend time at make a wish foundation Oh, sorry. I didn't know that excuses somebody of murder. How much head trauma did Manson suffer? Oh, what's that? "He didn't," you say? Ex- ing-actly. Manson obviously has some type of brain malfunction that allowed him to commit such heinous acts. Benoit obviously had something missing between the ears aswell. I don't even know why I am bothering. He killed two humans in cold blood during the period of two days. He was a sick, sick man. End of story.
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Post by ajmgolf on Sept 7, 2007 6:30:26 GMT -5
no cause Im sure he didnt give to chairty and spend time at make a wish foundation Oh, sorry. I didn't know that excuses somebody of murder. How much head trauma did Manson suffer? Oh, what's that? "He didn't," you say? Ex- ing-actly. Manson obviously has some type of brain malfunction that allowed him to commit such heinous acts. Benoit obviously had something missing between the ears aswell. I don't even know why I am bothering. He killed two humans in cold blood during the period of two days. He was a sick, sick man. End of story. Face it, you don't have a clue to what brain damage or other types of mental issues that are out there. And second, to compare Charles Manson to Chris Benoit is a JOKE! 2 different situations. Charles Manson supposedly never killed anyone, but was a mastermind behind the killings. His screwed up head was a direct result of his mother not caring for him, and exposing him to sexual acts at such a young age. Watch Jake Roberts dvd, and you'll see that being exposed to crap like that will screw a humans head up at such a young age. As far as Chris Benoit goes, it's a PROVEN FACT that he had some sort of brain damage. EVIDENCE doesn't lie. I'm not defending his murders, but if his mind was so screwed up from the concussions and the damage that had started to set in, .... i've drawn 1 conclusion to that, and that is .... obviously the combination of brain damage, depression he might have been going through because of it, and the drugs he might have been taking to help cope with it, caused him to do something way out of characteristic. WWE needs to stop playing the innocent card, and start taking responsibility for the vigorous matches and work schedule they put these guys through. If through this whole tradgic event I've lost respect for anyone, its the WWE and Vince McMahon.
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Post by rkolegendkilla on Sept 7, 2007 6:42:25 GMT -5
Oh, sorry. I didn't know that excuses somebody of murder. Manson obviously has some type of brain malfunction that allowed him to commit such heinous acts. Benoit obviously had something missing between the ears aswell. I don't even know why I am bothering. He killed two humans in cold blood during the period of two days. He was a sick, sick man. End of story. As far as Chris Benoit goes, it's a PROVEN FACT that he had some sort of brain damage. EVIDENCE doesn't lie. I'm quite aware of that. I'm just saying that it still doesn't mean everything is OK. And I can't believe that 'Vince McMahon' member has "I knew there was a good reason, R.I.P. Chris." in his signature. YOU ARE A MORON!
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Mirror Images
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Post by Mirror Images on Sept 7, 2007 7:12:06 GMT -5
I suppose you could think of Benoits brain as like a computer. If you threw your computer around your room everyday then tried to switch it on and use it it wouldn't be working aswell as when you first got it even though its the same computer.
I know its a simple compared to the brain but its the same sort of idea.
Im not saying it makes what he did right but Benoit in the end was just the shell his brain had got to the point where it could not function normally.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 7, 2007 7:45:15 GMT -5
Apparently you people are too ignorant to read. I don't say this because I am a Chris Benoit mark, indeed I gave up on WCW when they put the world title on him and I thought he was one of the most overrated workers in North America. That having been said, as was previously stated, it has been proven that Benoit had suffered brain damage similar to that of three former NFL players that committed suicide. Do any of you understand that? None of them properly healed from their injuries and that was a single factor among possibly many contributing to their tragic ends. If any of you people have a Ph.D, I'll be more than happy to take your opinions into consideration, but the fact of the matter is that you are attempting to argue with people who are far, far more intelligent and knowledgeable than most people here. Stop trying to be right, when you're obviously not, and pay attention to someone who knows more that you. Not me, but real[/b] doctors. [/quote] I do hope I'm misunderstanding you. It seems from this and some of your previous posts that you think Benoit had no choice but to kill his wife and kid or that he had no control whatsoever over his actions. I cannot buy that on any rational level at all just given the time frame. You're telling me that for a 2-3 day period he had no control over his actions? So if a police officer had walked in and hadn't physically stopped him he still would've stayed in the house for 8-12 hours with his wife's body and then killed his kid because he had no self-control? And what about the text messages that were obvious cries for help? Brain damage or no brain damage this was a rational act by a guy who clearly knew that what he was doing was wrong. Maybe he was depressed. Maybe he wasn't thinking completely correct, but he still knew that he what he did was wrong. The mere fact that he put Bibles next to the bodies seems to prove that. If a man is sane enough to know right from wrong, then he's also sane enough to choose right.
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Post by mitch on Sept 7, 2007 8:02:44 GMT -5
head trauma or not. benoit is a ing murderer, and deserves to go to hell
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Post by amxfiles on Sept 7, 2007 8:37:01 GMT -5
I can abso- ing-lutely see how years of untreated head trauma can cause you to kill people. Untreated, certain kinds of brain trauma could cause paranoia, depression, and dementia, which essentially makes you a totally different person. The brain is a complex machine, things that involve can't be seen in just simple black and white when you are talking about it. Could this, if in fact true, help clean up some of Benoit's legacy? Perhaps, but it'll be forever tarnished, and there isn't a thing any medical doctor could tell you that can change the fact, brain damaged or not, that the man killed himself and his family. And really, it's inexcusable. I couldn't find the specific article I was looking for, but this is a good one, it links head trauma to the suicides of pro footballers. www.newsobserver.com/122/story/537163.html
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