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Post by ajmgolf on Sept 7, 2007 11:03:02 GMT -5
Apparently you people are too ignorant to read. I don't say this because I am a Chris Benoit mark, indeed I gave up on WCW when they put the world title on him and I thought he was one of the most overrated workers in North America. That having been said, as was previously stated, it has been proven that Benoit had suffered brain damage similar to that of three former NFL players that committed suicide. Do any of you understand that? None of them properly healed from their injuries and that was a single factor among possibly many contributing to their tragic ends. If any of you people have a Ph.D, I'll be more than happy to take your opinions into consideration, but the fact of the matter is that you are attempting to argue with people who are far, far more intelligent and knowledgeable than most people here. Stop trying to be right, when you're obviously not, and pay attention to someone who knows more that you. Not me, but real[/b] doctors. [/quote] I do hope I'm misunderstanding you. It seems from this and some of your previous posts that you think Benoit had no choice but to kill his wife and kid or that he had no control whatsoever over his actions. I cannot buy that on any rational level at all just given the time frame. You're telling me that for a 2-3 day period he had no control over his actions? So if a police officer had walked in and hadn't physically stopped him he still would've stayed in the house for 8-12 hours with his wife's body and then killed his kid because he had no self-control? And what about the text messages that were obvious cries for help? Brain damage or no brain damage this was a rational act by a guy who clearly knew that what he was doing was wrong. Maybe he was depressed. Maybe he wasn't thinking completely correct, but he still knew that he what he did was wrong. The mere fact that he put Bibles next to the bodies seems to prove that. If a man is sane enough to know right from wrong, then he's also sane enough to choose right.[/quote] I can assure you that what Benoit did, is very possible. I have good friends in the medical field, who I've been discussing this over the last day. Think what you want to think, your entitled to your own opinion. But I can guarentee you that if you do research on brain damaged patients, you'll find a much different response than you want to hear.
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Post by KMIS™ on Sept 7, 2007 11:45:54 GMT -5
I think with the concussions and dementia, Benoit became so paranoid, he started thinking his own family was after him. The guy had just lost yet another best friend that week, and I've read he had started prohibiting Nancy from leaving their house after a certain hour, and not letting Daniel leave at all because he taught someone was out to get him. When your brain resembles a 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient's, you know you're going to be messed up.
Doctors say 3-4 concussions are enough needed to put a halt on a football career. Who knows how many Benoit had by the end of his. He was also one of the few who took chairshots to the back of the head, according to Nowinski, not to mention one of the guy's trademark moves was a freakin' headbutt from the top rope. Doing one of those every match, nonstop with no off-season has to take a strain on the brain.
Also, in the cases of the football players not killing anyone on their way out, I almost feel Benoit's 10+ years of wrestling and "violence" contributed. Maybe he was so delirious at the time, he had wrestling instincts kick in.
Benoit is still a twat for killing his wife and son, though.
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Post by T R W on Sept 7, 2007 12:02:40 GMT -5
I don't care what they say. There is no excuse for killing your family. None. It may explain why, but regardless, there is no excuse, and he should have pitchforks rammed up his ass for eternity.
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Post by Lennon on Sept 7, 2007 12:04:23 GMT -5
To the idiots still sucking Benoit's dick:
Honestly, I really hope something like this happens to people close to you. I doubt you'd be so forgiving.......
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 7, 2007 13:33:52 GMT -5
I don't care what they say. There is no excuse for killing your family. None. It may explain why, but regardless, there is no excuse, and he should have pitchforks rammed up his ass for eternity. I can't completely agree with this. To me, the pitchforks need to be heated up to at least red-hot first. I challenge anyone to cite any case where a guy killed someone and had no choice in the matter because of brain damage.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 7, 2007 13:53:47 GMT -5
I do hope I'm misunderstanding you. It seems from this and some of your previous posts that you think Benoit had no choice but to kill his wife and kid or that he had no control whatsoever over his actions. [...] If a man is sane enough to know right from wrong, then he's also sane enough to choose right. That is absolutely what I am saying. I'm also saying that Benoit did not have a clear sense of right and wrong. Look, if anyone and I mean anyone, from a police officer to Dean Malenko to one of Daniel's friends from school, had walked into that house, Benoit probably would have at least attempted to kill them as well. He was not mentally functional at the time. People who knew Benoit and saw him on a near daily basis have said that he was becoming more and more irrational. This was the breaking point. Simply put, anyone who wants to discount what a doctor states as fact in favor of their own ill-informed opinion is clearly ignorant. You can argue with the facts as much as you like, but this is like saying two plus two doesn't equal four. Medically trained professionals; people who are literally brain experts have provided substantial proof that Benoit most likely was not in his right mind and it was a miracle he was even able to speak due to the amount of brain damage he had suffered. But, hey, what does a doctor know compared to the members of a wrestling toy board? Tell you what, the next time you or one of your family members are seriously ill, don't waste your money going to see a doctor. Just post a message here, because a lot of people obviously think they know more than any medical professional.
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Post by KMIS™ on Sept 7, 2007 14:15:53 GMT -5
But, hey, what does a doctor know compared to the members of a wrestling toy board? Tell you what, the next time you or one of your family members are seriously ill, don't waste your money going to see a doctor. Just post a message here, because a lot of people obviously think they know more than any medical professional. I can only imagine it. " medicine, RKO him."
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Post by VK on Sept 7, 2007 14:29:15 GMT -5
I do hope I'm misunderstanding you. It seems from this and some of your previous posts that you think Benoit had no choice but to kill his wife and kid or that he had no control whatsoever over his actions. [...] If a man is sane enough to know right from wrong, then he's also sane enough to choose right. That is absolutely what I am saying. I'm also saying that Benoit did not have a clear sense of right and wrong. Look, if anyone and I mean anyone, from a police officer to Dean Malenko to one of Daniel's friends from school, had walked into that house, Benoit probably would have at least attempted to kill them as well. He was not mentally functional at the time. People who knew Benoit and saw him on a near daily basis have said that he was becoming more and more irrational. This was the breaking point. Simply put, anyone who wants to discount what a doctor states as fact in favor of their own ill-informed opinion is clearly ignorant. You can argue with the facts as much as you like, but this is like saying two plus two doesn't equal four. Medically trained professionals; people who are literally brain experts have provided substantial proof that Benoit most likely was not in his right mind and it was a miracle he was even able to speak due to the amount of brain damage he had suffered. But, hey, what does a doctor know compared to the members of a wrestling toy board? Tell you what, the next time you or one of your family members are seriously ill, don't waste your money going to see a doctor. Just post a message here, because a lot of people obviously think they know more than any medical professional. Thing is dude it was just a doctor stating his opinion on what may have been the case. The only fact from the report is that Benoit's brain was ed up. Everything else is pure speculation
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Post by cjs. on Sept 7, 2007 15:38:42 GMT -5
And the bit about the NFL players commiting suicide.
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Post by class316 on Sept 7, 2007 15:53:53 GMT -5
Who is Kanyon talking about in the second paragraph?
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2007 16:51:58 GMT -5
Jimmy Snuka supposedly killed a prostitute.
Benoit said that Nancy and Daniel were in the hospital with food poisoning and vomiting blood.
He seemed to have been thinking clearly enough to come up with that excuse.
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Post by jmars on Sept 7, 2007 17:38:00 GMT -5
Jimmy Snuka supposedly killed a prostitute. Benoit said that Nancy and Daniel were in the hospital with food poisoning and vomiting blood. He seemed to have been thinking clearly enough to come up with that excuse. *Snaps fingers* 'eyyyyyyyyyyy.
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Post by nexivdr on Sept 7, 2007 17:40:36 GMT -5
this is crazy. he is still a murderer. charlie mason's brain had to have some kind of chemical imbalance and that still doesnt make it alright. same with many others. if benoit was feeling stressed or confused or whatever he should of started to tell people instead of what happened. I for one am sick of the benoit sigs. some kid has 1 says that he knew there was a good reason for what happened with pics and nonsenes. please get this out of here.
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Post by xxxKevinxxx™ on Sept 7, 2007 17:41:25 GMT -5
Benoit thought this out, so his brain was acting normal. Well minus the slaying.
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 7, 2007 19:23:58 GMT -5
Benoit said that Nancy and Daniel were in the hospital with food poisoning and vomiting blood. He seemed to have been thinking clearly enough to come up with that excuse. Slappy, when you are mentally altered, your mind does not behave in a way normal people understand. Have you ever dealt with someone with Alzheimer's? I have. My Great-Grandmother. She was diagnosed at 76 with it, and passed away at 78. When I was 16, six months before she passed away, I went to visit her and without reason or warning, she wrapped a hand around my throat and tried to choke me while reciting the Lord's prayer. I hit the call button for the nurse and when the nurse came in, my Great-Grandmother said she thought I was someone else. That's how badly the Alzheimer's had affected her. She was not in her right mind. Benoit may have very well believed Nancy and Daniel had food poisoning, if he couldn't comprehend his own actions. These things happen. When the doctor said that Benoit had the brain of an 85 year old with Alzheimer's, it all made sense to me.
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Post by ajmgolf on Sept 7, 2007 20:16:36 GMT -5
Benoit said that Nancy and Daniel were in the hospital with food poisoning and vomiting blood. He seemed to have been thinking clearly enough to come up with that excuse. Slappy, when you are mentally altered, your mind does not behave in a way normal people understand. Have you ever dealt with someone with Alzheimer's? I have. My Great-Grandmother. She was diagnosed at 76 with it, and passed away at 78. When I was 16, six months before she passed away, I went to visit her and without reason or warning, she wrapped a hand around my throat and tried to choke me while reciting the Lord's prayer. I hit the call button for the nurse and when the nurse came in, my Great-Grandmother said she thought I was someone else. That's how badly the Alzheimer's had affected her. She was not in her right mind. Benoit may have very well believed Nancy and Daniel had food poisoning, if he couldn't comprehend his own actions. These things happen. When the doctor said that Benoit had the brain of an 85 year old with Alzheimer's, it all made sense to me. It does no good to try to explain this medical stuff to half of these idiots on here. They'll never understand what brain damage can do to someone. I have family member too who have delt with everything from Alzheimer's to multiple personalities. People with brain issues to that extreme have no control over what happens. I'm not saying that happend in Benoit's case, but there is that possibility. And please children, come up with something better than "he's an f'n murderer".
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Post by jmars on Sept 7, 2007 20:27:47 GMT -5
Benoit said that Nancy and Daniel were in the hospital with food poisoning and vomiting blood. He seemed to have been thinking clearly enough to come up with that excuse. Slappy, when you are mentally altered, your mind does not behave in a way normal people understand. Have you ever dealt with someone with Alzheimer's? I have. My Great-Grandmother. She was diagnosed at 76 with it, and passed away at 78. When I was 16, six months before she passed away, I went to visit her and without reason or warning, she wrapped a hand around my throat and tried to choke me while reciting the Lord's prayer. I hit the call button for the nurse and when the nurse came in, my Great-Grandmother said she thought I was someone else. That's how badly the Alzheimer's had affected her. She was not in her right mind. Benoit may have very well believed Nancy and Daniel had food poisoning, if he couldn't comprehend his own actions. These things happen. When the doctor said that Benoit had the brain of an 85 year old with Alzheimer's, it all made sense to me. No use, half of the people here (as stated above) don't understand and are followers.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 7, 2007 20:28:13 GMT -5
Did Benoit know right from wrong? Yes. Clearly the fact that he put Bibles next to the bodies indicates he realized that what he was doing was wrong. Can it be clearer than that?
If he was so whacked out of his head why did he not kill his neighbor who he had a conversation with between the time he killed his wife and the time he killed his son? If he totally had no idea what he was doing, how did he send text messages as a cry for help? How did he rig up the weight machine the way he did if he was so irrational.
If someone is rational enough to realize that their actions are wrong, and rational enough to cry out for help, and rational enough to hold a conversation with a neighbor where the neighbor notices nothing out of the ordinary, and rational enough to call his job and tell them he's not going to be there and give them an excuse why then he was certainly rational enough to control himself.
Clearly he was not suffering from some delusion. He sent text messages to people who were close to him and who he knew would be concerned. You argue that he was so deluded he didn't realize who his wife was when he killed her yet he realized who his friends were who would care about him. He was so out of his mind that he had no idea that he was choking his son, yet he realized it was wrong and put a Bible next to him after the fact.
There is not a single medical doctor who says that this excuses Benoit's actions and he clearly had no idea what he was doing. The article quoted in the original post simply says that it "may have been a contributing factor". That much I'll buy. If you want to say he had brain damage and it caused depression, paranoia and mood swings. Fine. I'll buy that if you want. But none of that gives him an excuse to kill a 5 year old and his wife. He's still a murderer.
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Post by jmars on Sept 7, 2007 20:33:50 GMT -5
Did Benoit know right from wrong? Yes. Clearly the fact that he put Bibles next to the bodies indicates he realized that what he was doing was wrong. Can it be clearer than that? If he was so whacked out of his head why did he not kill his neighbor who he had a conversation with between the time he killed his wife and the time he killed his son? If he totally had no idea what he was doing, how did he send text messages as a cry for help? How did he rig up the weight machine the way he did if he was so irrational. If someone is rational enough to realize that their actions are wrong, and rational enough to cry out for help, and rational enough to hold a conversation with a neighbor where the neighbor notices nothing out of the ordinary, and rational enough to call his job and tell them he's not going to be there and give them an excuse why then he was certainly rational enough to control himself. Clearly he was not suffering from some delusion. He sent text messages to people who were close to him and who he knew would be concerned. You argue that he was so deluded he didn't realize who his wife was when he killed her yet he realized who his friends were who would care about him. He was so out of his mind that he had no idea that he was choking his son, yet he realized it was wrong and put a Bible next to him after the fact. There is not a single medical doctor who says that this excuses Benoit's actions and he clearly had no idea what he was doing. The article quoted in the original post simply says that it "may have been a contributing factor". That much I'll buy. If you want to say he had brain damage and it caused depression, paranoia and mood swings. Fine. I'll buy that if you want. But none of that gives him an excuse to kill a 5 year old and his wife. He's still a murderer. I agree about the speculation not being a free pass for forgiveness but I have one speculation\theory of my own: As weird as it sounds saying this, what if he had certain periods of rage\dellusion\psycho..ness and at certain periods he did not? I mean, he might have killed his wife without knowing, came back to a normal state of mind later, and I don't know about you guys but I would sure as hell keep it secret if I killed somebody.. That is, without knowing. My theory is stupid, I know, but I was thinking of that and maybe some of the more mature members could post their opinion on my theory.
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2007 22:34:45 GMT -5
Yes, my great grandma had it and lived to her mid 90's. She'd recognize us then a few minutes later be very confused and thought we were her friends then her children, then back to us. So, I have experienced it.
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