Has Bret Harts book changed ur view of HBK?

I gotta agree with madness, you can't just dismiss Bret as only being good for his time. I love and enjoy the current product, but especially Bret's PPV bouts are still much better than 90% of the wrestling we see today, television and PPV included.

Bret did have his own moves of doom, but he also did lots of other stuff in matches. He did dives to the outside, he did chain wrestling, fancy pins and even though he was never the "flashiest,", his in-ring psychology was prefectly sound. He wasn't just good for his era, he's one of the best of all time, and his matches still stand as some of the best today.

I'll give you the argument you presented before about Owen, but I completely disagree about Bret Hart.

Several of the guys you mentioned that are, supposedly, better than Bret Hart could not lace his boots. If they could, they would have had as much success as Bret Hart, but they didn't and that's why they aren't on his level. Shawn Michaels and Chris Jericho are acceptable, but both learned a lot from watching Hart and I wouldn't say either is better or worse than him.

Bret Hart was a technician in the ring, and one of the best of not only his generation, but of several dating back before and after his time. He was a complete package (alright, mic skills would still need work to this day), including having the look, the talent and the ability to get over with fans.

It is arguable that, during the early to mid-90s, no one was better than him when he had the WWF title around his waist. Sure, he was put in a lot of terrible feuds, but he made others around him look at least decent, and not many others can claim that in their careers. His punches and kicks looked about as real as they could get, and there is no denying that his heel turn in 1997 is one of the best in decades as far as what it gave back to the wrestling business (i.e. working with Stone Cold and putting him over as best as he could).

I just don't know how people don't see the great qualities that Bret Hart had and the impact his style had on many during his time and afterwards. The guy drew more money as champion than Shawn Michaels did in 1996, and why would Vince allow him to keep a main event spot so long if he wasn't the best the WWF had to offer?

And, don't give me the excuse that the WWF wasn't any good during the 1990s, because if that's the case, than wouldn't Shawn Michaels also only look good because of the "slugs" around him? Regardless if you think Bret Hart is a whiny bitch, there's no denying that he is one of the greatest wrestlers of the last 25 years.

Also, Bret Hart's MOVESET might seem repetitive like John Cena's, except for the fact that EVERY WRESTLER has a moveset that they stick to in the majority of their matches. Not only was Bret an excellent technician/mat wrestler, but he could brawl with the best of them and constantly changed his style to make others look good.

It's easy for all of you to say, if you were in Bret Hart's postiton, a lot of you would feel the same way he does.

I agree with everything Bret said about him. Doesn't change my opinion on his ring work though. Both are two of the best wrestlers ever but IMO, Bret is the better one. So what if he whines? Shawn and Vince are the ones who actually turn the screwjob into a storyline where Shawn won't admit he screwed him and Vince is jealous. Bret has agreed to move on, its his book. How is he supposed to forget this and leave it out in his own book? Shawn didn't, so why should Bret?

I just looked at your profile and I was right! You are 23. Benoit was good no doubt about it but he learned from Bret Hart. If Benoit were alive he'd be the first to tell you you don't know shit. And even he would admit he is no Bret Hart.

Actually you got that wrong. Vince decided that he couldn't continue to pay Bret the 20 year contract they had a signed a year earlier, due to the fact that WCW was kicking his ass in the ratings. Bret did not want to leave, especially after he had let Vince portray the "Hitman" character as a guy who hated the USA. Yes Bret may have been wrong about dropping the title at SS, BUT its Vince's call to do what he feels is right for HIS company. And in my opinion the circumstances were so much different than how traditional rules applied (i.e Bret having the creative power over his last match). Shawn is just an employee, and should've minded his own damn business.

As for all the "He's a christian now, blah, blah blah," well I tend to agree with Byran Clark(Adam Bomb) said, which was that HBK only became christian to take the heat off of himself from all the bad things he had done to people in the business.

BTW if you notice it took 5 years, a WWE related tv show, his book, and Vince to tell Shawn that it was ok to admit that he was involved? That alone should tell you that even Shawn knew he was wrong! And in that time no one, AND I MEAN NO ONE had Shawn's back when it was rumored, and later confirmed by Shawn that he was involved, well not anyone married in the McMahon family.

Vince was the only one to have the guts to say "Yes I did it, and I don't care what everyone thinks, this my business and I will run it how I want." I can respect that, I can't say the same about Shawn, and no one else can either.

i have to disagree back. Listen, i know neither guy is a saint. Both guys were being selfish, but the fact doesnt change that Bret started screwing with HBK first. Bret started it, it is simple fact. i know about how HBK was back then, he was a douche, especially in 1997. And i am also fully aware that he didn't want to drop the belt at WM14 and he didn't want to drop the belt to Bret, but Bret started bashing on HBK and going to the dirtsheets about HBK waaaaaaay before HBK supposedly "faked" his knee injury to avoid jobbing to Bret at WM13. Bret started bashing HBK almost immediately after WM12, when no the two didn't even have hard feelings. Bret started bashing HBK in the press and dirtsheets almost a full year before the WM 13 thing.

No one knows for sure what the deal at WM13 was. I am not denying that maybe HBK faked the injury to avoid jobbing to Bret ... I'm not ruling that out because none of us know the answer for sure, but Bret started the whole thing. At Survivor Series, it was VINCE's decision for Bret to job to HBK. Vince is the boss and he made the decision and Bret REFUSED to listen to that decision. Not only did Bret start the whole situation, but near the end, after Vince helped Bret negotiate a higher contact with WCW, Bret refused to job to HBK at Survivor Series. I don't care if Bret would have wanted to job to Mankind or Austin or anybody, but he had a match booked with HBK and that's when he should have jobbed. And also, I never once said HBK didn't mind dropping the title, that's completely made up. He really only had the title three times in that era. He dropped it to Sid, in February he was injured (and despite rumors, I do truly believe HBK thought he was done) ... and then he dropped it to Austin, even though it wasn't easy to get him to do so. Again, I am not saying HBK was any saint or anyone easy to work with and he also contributed to adding more sparks to the flame between him and Bret, but no one can factually deny that Bret started the whole thing and then set himself up for the Montreal Screwjob in the end. I love Bret, one of the very top wrestlers of ALL time in my book, but he still started and ended it.

Bret Hart is a bitter whiny brat who's obsessed with the past...LET IT GO!!!!!

Ok a lot of things here bother me. First what do you alll mean by he should "get over it" Does that mean, just stop talking about it? Because people always ask him about it, so should he just ignor there questions? Because mcmahon and michaels don't ignor it when they are asked about it, why should Bret?
How can anyone say bret should get over it, because mcmahon and michaels did....THEY DID?? Sure could of fooled me, i still see them putting it in story lines all the time! See them talk about it every chance they have too, so mmm i don't see how there over it but bret isn't.

About it being in his book - mmm ok lets think about this. One should Bret leave all that stuff out of his book?? I mean it's prob one of the main reason's most people are buying it. To read about the screw job and what really happen. And to you people who say it was 10 years ago....ok Well Bret Hart took 8 years to write this book, so im sure when he wrote about the screw job it was only a few years after it had happen. ALSO HAS ANYONE READ SHAWN MICHAELS BOOK?? Because he sure bashes Bret in it, and talks about the scew job...how come no one bashing him about that??

Shawn Michaels was a horrible person back in the day, who was a huge druggie causing a lot of trouble. Just listen to what the road warriors had to say about Shawn Michaels and McMahon - I couldn't put it in better words.....

p.s. anyone saying Bret Hart was not a good wrestler, and knew no moves is just an idiot. Thats like me saying the same thing about Michaels, which i never would because he is a great wrestler