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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Oct 10, 2008 13:15:54 GMT -5
Now as for the Tyson thing, true it helped business, but there's now way the company fully recovered the money back on that. Umm... Yes they did. I'm not sure what kind of logic you're using to suggest that Mike Tyson was a money-loser. He got the WWF air time on real television shows for his confrontation with Austin and he added a hell of a bang to the WrestleMania that year. His segments were absolutely instrumental in getting the general public interested in the WWF and in showing them the new style the WWF was taking. Stone Cold Steve Austin was the top dog in the attitude era. But if his confrontation with Iron Mike hadn't made it onto talk shows and whatnot, nobody would ever have heard of him and started tuning into Raw in the first place. Tyson was vital in the turnaround of the WWF's fortunes. Bret Hart, for all his talent, was a wrestling relic. He's admitted as much in his book. He wasn't cut out for the Austin/DX kind of style, he was part of the old days of wrestling, of heroes vs villains. Losing him - and losing him in the fashion they did - was one of the most fortunate things that ever happened to the WWF. He was never a big domestic draw so he wasn't strictly worth his paycheck in the WWF at that time (as they needed to get away from the olden days), and it made Vince's character, which then became key to Austin's success. Bret, though, should have had a great run in WCW, which was more family-friendly programming. Him being the old-fashioned hero could have worked great against the NWO if it hadn't all been screwed up. |
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Post by Bret_Hart_Mark™ on Oct 10, 2008 16:27:30 GMT -5
Actually you got that wrong. Vince decided that he couldn't continue to pay Bret the 20 year contract they had a signed a year earlier, due to the fact that WCW was kicking his ass in the ratings. Bret did not want to leave, especially after he had let Vince portray the "Hitman" character as a guy who hated the USA. Yes Bret may have been wrong about dropping the title at SS, BUT its Vince's call to do what he feels is right for HIS company. And in my opinion the circumstances were so much different than how traditional rules applied (i.e Bret having the creative power over his last match). Shawn is just an employee, and should've minded his own damn business. As for all the "He's a christian now, blah, blah blah," well I tend to agree with Byran Clark(Adam Bomb) said, which was that HBK only became christian to take the heat off of himself from all the bad things he had done to people in the business. BTW if you notice it took 5 years, a WWE related tv show, his book, and Vince to tell Shawn that it was ok to admit that he was involved? That alone should tell you that even Shawn knew he was wrong! And in that time no one, AND I MEAN NO ONE had Shawn's back when it was rumored, and later confirmed by Shawn that he was involved, well not anyone married in the McMahon family. Vince was the only one to have the guts to say "Yes I did it, and I don't care what everyone thinks, this my business and I will run it how I want." I can respect that, I can't say the same about Shawn, and no one else can either. 1. since when is Bryan Clark the measure of dignity? i can't stand that people can't actually fathom the idea of someone changing their life for the best, heaven forbid a person try and better themselves as a human being and having the desire and excitement to tell others about it...guess eddie guerrero and ted dibiase are all a bunch of blow hards too huh? 2. don't ever say what me or anyone else on this board can say or not say, if i remember correctly (and i do) this is still america and freedom of speech is still free, i have all the respect in the world for hbk, he's has confessed his wrong doings in business AND in life (which quite frankly is NONE of anyones business minus his friends and family and employer) i love how EVERYONE thinks that just because someone is on tv or in nationally known, we all of a sudden have the right to have access to a persons personal life and what and who they belive in in their faith, unless you are becomming the next president of the united states of america, i could care less about it, and go ahead and say, "well he publically says everywhere he can that he is born again so he makes it known and therefore it is our business" part of christianity is witnessing to non believers and to be fishers of men, he is doing his part in ministering to the lost and gaining lost souls for the kingdom of heaven, so, bash him, smite him, i could care less, but when you have the faith and the love of the gospel, as shawn does, I RESPECT THAT! but as always...to each their own.. 1.) Did you actually read my post? Because no where in there did I ever say to anyone what they could or couldn't say. If you couldn't gather that then go relearn the English language. I only corrected the poster from what I believe he said was wrong. You want to correct me on that then fine, I got no problem with that. 2.) Where did I make the point that Bryan Clark was the measure of dignity? I quoted someone who was actually there, and he's on a loooooooonnnnnngggggggggg list of guys who tend to agree with him. Where there is smoke there is fire. 3.) HBK has NEVER CONFESSED HIS WRONG DOINGS. He's maybe done it storyline wise briefly, but its like being an alcoholic, one of the 12 steps is going to the people you've done wrong and apologizing for it. Whether they accept it or not is up to them. 4.) HBK has put HIMSELF in this position. When you do something as dispicible as the things he's done, you are going to have to pay for them in one way or another. He got what he wanted in '97, but I bet if he knew he had to put up with this for the rest of his life he would have told Vince no! You can put crosses on a piece of crap and have a priest bless it with holy water, but it still makes it a piece of crap. 5.) My roommate was raised in a born-again christian home, and she absolutely is not a wrestling fan. I asked her to do research on the subject and come to her own conclusions. This is what she says: a) Shawn is in now way a christian, and if he thinks he is he's fooling himself, just look at the current angle he's involved in with Jericho. If he was so christian, he would never think to be involved in it. b) She really wants to go to an event so she can be front row with signs that have bible versus to really mess with him. |
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Post by ihavethepower on Oct 10, 2008 16:51:12 GMT -5
To those that are blaming Bret because Vince entered into a contract that he couldn't afford, I shake my head at you. Vince made the deal. He was legally bound by it. Bret did him a favor by going to WCW.
To the one guy saying how Bret didn't want to take a pay cut to earn "Taker and Shawn Money". Um, why should Bret have taken anything less than his contract said he was going to make? Wrestlemania 13 was headlined by Taker vs Sid. It's one of the worst PPV buyrates in WWF/E history. On the mid-card was the Bret/Austin double turn and it's the only thing talked about from that PPV. So to say that Taker was doing better business for the company is ludicrous. Shawn did commentary on that PPV was was sneaking in nWo signs to the camera because that is where he wanted to be and was signaling his pals in WCW. Real company guy huh?
Shawn nor Taker nor Bret was able to compete with WCW kicking WWF's ass during that time. However, between all 3, Bret was the bigger merchandise generator and intenational ticket seller. Not to mention his years of loyalty to Vince and turning down $5 Million a year in a WCW offer. Bret turned down $5 Million a year from WCW to stay for $1 Million a year in WWF. Now you say he should've been more understanding and taken $750,000 instead?
I'd have more respect for you if you just came flat out and said that you hate Bret Hart and you will not take his side no matter what. At least that would be honest. This veiled attempt to try and make any sort of "logical" case against Bret here, when there is no logic in anything you've typed, is just a farce.
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Post by James Hardy on Oct 10, 2008 17:05:38 GMT -5
Bret got in that situation because of money. If he would've just stayed put, he would've had a job for life and would possibly still be wrestling. There would've been no screwjob, no concussion, no nothing. But he wanted money. So he got what he wanted, and it ended his career because of it. Money is always what's most important, especially in a business where you can be hurt in an instant and lose your career. Your average pro athlete isn't going to stick with a team when he can go elsewhere and get more money. I've always sided with Bret on this. I don't agree with Shawn and Vince saying they did what they had to do. Vince was frightened by the chance that Bret would take his belt and go to WCW with it. In some ways, I blame the screwjob on the incident where Madusa trashed the WWF women's title on Nitro. And I think in a lot of ways Bret has gotten over it, more so than the WWE. They're the one's always trying to recreate screwjobs at Survivor Series PPV's, they're the ones who used the Screwjob to get HBK heat in Montreal during his feud with Hogan, and there's more incidents as well. I don't think him talking about it in his book means he's not over it, but he's just simply talking about one of the most important and infamous moments of his career, and giving his honest feelings about it. |
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Post by hardyboyzwwe on Oct 10, 2008 17:52:09 GMT -5
I think he should get the  over it. It's been over 10 years and he's still bitching left, right and center. Shawn and Vince got over it, we got over it, why can't he? I'm a HUGE Bret Hart fan and he was my favourite up until I was about 14, but he needs to build a bridge and get over it. ^ HBK and Vince were not the ones stabbed in the back. Bret has or at one point moved on, but HBK & Vince kept involving the screwjob in current storylines or promos. I'm one of Bret's biggest fans and I know his dislike for HBK. WHile I enjoy some of HBK's matches, I'm not a big fan of his and have never really cared for him. On a different note, many wrestlers have expressed their dislike for HBK. The Rock has flat out refused to wrestle HBK due to Michael's mistreatment of him back in 1996/1997 during Rock's rookie year. It has been made apparent that in 1998 and in prior years HBK was a prick to many and stepped on a lot of people's toes. How the F*** would you know. Your not bret hart, so you don't know his hatred. You may think you do, but bret is the only one who really knows. |
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