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Post by tnafan4life on Nov 2, 2008 19:14:47 GMT -5
About.com has an interview with wrestling legend Terry Funk and he makes an interesting quote calling TNA "WWE's Graveyard."
When asked about TNA, Funk said: "They are kind of looked at as the graveyard, you know. I mentioned that to some people and I don't want to keep on calling them the graveyard because I really don't want to tag that to them. But it is. It is kind of like the WWE's graveyard. And, I'm not talking about the guys. They’re old, they’re this or they’re that or can’t get the job done. They can but it has got a definite pattern to it. It’s where somebody goes ahead and leaves the WWE and they wind up down there. Boom, just that quick. I think that they need to develop their own talent along with that. Does that make sense to you?" Funk also added: "I'm not knocking the talent that they’ve got, they’ve got great talent. But it's got a constant repetition that is like over, and over, and over. I'm not saying that those guys can't get the job done, because they can. But they need to work on developing their own talent and their own individuals also. Spend more time on that."
Funk also talks about why he wouldn't charge someone interested in joining the wrestling business, the difference between cutting a wrestling promo & movie dialogue, his most memorable Mick Foley road story, and more.
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Post by Bozwell634™ on Nov 2, 2008 19:30:57 GMT -5
Well TNA is sorta like this but some of the talent that they have, that could be used could make a different image for TNA.
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Post by ICW on Nov 2, 2008 19:44:52 GMT -5
It kind of is. Go to their website and look at its current roster...
Amir Bashir (Davari in WWE)
BG James (Roaddog in WWE)
Booker T (WCW and WWE talent)
Brother D-Von (ECW, WWE)
Brother Ray (ECW, WWE)
Christian Cage (WWE)
Christy Hemme (Won the WWE Diva search)
Earl Hebner (Long time referee for the company)
Hector Guerrero
Jacqueline (WWE)
Jeff Jarrett (WWE, WCW)
Jim Cornette
Kevin Nash (WWE, WCW)
Kip James (WWE)
Kurt Angle (WWE)
Matt Morgan (WWE)
Mick Foley (WCW, ECW, WWE)
Mike Tenay (WCW)
Rhino (ECW, WWE)
Scott Steiner (WCW, WWE)
Sharmell (WCW, WWE)
Sting (WCW)
That's a lottttttttttttttttttttttttt of former ECW/WCW/WWE talent. Plus, someone like Angelina Love, who was a WWE development signing. If you look at their alumni list, there is quiet a bit of former WWE/WCW/ECW talent they had, such as:
Ron Killings
Ken Shamrock
Rick Steinner
Raven
Elix Skipper
D'Lo Brown
Rellik (Johnny Stamboli in WCW/WWE)
Dustin Rhodes (Goldust in WWE)
Dusty Rhodes
James Mitchell (Sinister Minister in ECW)
Gail Kim
Salinas (Ariel in WWECW)
Scott Hall
Spike Dudley
Jerry Lynn
Jackie Gayda
Konnan
Norman Smiley
X-Pac
Sabu
Jeff Hardy
Shannon Moore
DDP
Kid Kash
Tyson Tomko
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Post by tnafan4life on Nov 2, 2008 19:52:11 GMT -5
Why wouldn't Jeff be in TNA? It's his fricken company..
Noone ever talks about the fact that
- Kennedy
- Mickie
- MVP
- Murdoch (when he was in WWE)
- Bourne
wrestled in TNA before?
Also, out of 47ish talent only 18ish are from WWE/WCW/ECW. That's 29 people TNA "made". I'm so sick of this "OMGZ ALL DEY DO IS SIGN FORMA WWE TALENT" crap.
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Post by Hollywood Asia on Nov 2, 2008 19:55:03 GMT -5
and nobody including myself don't even remember a cup of coffee by those wrestlers in TNA
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Post by tnafan4life on Nov 2, 2008 19:56:16 GMT -5
How many people remember Christy, Matt Morgan, Jackie, Bashir from WWE? Not that many.
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Post by ICW on Nov 2, 2008 20:04:30 GMT -5
Why wouldn't Jeff be in TNA? It's his fricken company.. Noone ever talks about the fact that - Kennedy - Mickie - MVP - Murdoch (when he was in WWE) - Bourne wrestled in TNA before? Also, out of 47ish talent only 18ish are from WWE/WCW/ECW. That's 29 people TNA "made". I'm so sick of this "OMGZ ALL DEY DO IS SIGN FORMA WWE TALENT" crap. But see, WWE makes their main eventers. John Cena, Batista, Shawn Michaels, Kane, Undertaker... all homegrown. |
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Post by tnafan4life on Nov 2, 2008 20:06:55 GMT -5
Because, they don't have to worry about their name. TNA does - hence why they've got names. How hard is that to understand? A casual fan is more liking to go "Oh, it's Kurt Angle" than "Oh, it's some random dude I don't know.. I guess his name is AJ Styles" *click*. TNA needs Sting, Angle, Booker, etc for name value. Without them.. they're nothing.
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Post by newfrigginshow on Nov 2, 2008 20:08:09 GMT -5
This argument's getting old. Look at the history of wrestling and you'll see that every fed used to take guys who were premade in other feds. It just so happens that the only guys TNA can get with a large exposure is WWE. Indy guys are great, but it's hard to argue with guys who have seen action in large venues and have had live television experience.
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Post by ICW on Nov 2, 2008 20:11:47 GMT -5
But shouldn't TNA try and build AJ Styles so he becomes a big time superstar? During the Monday Night Wars, WWE lost Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Hulk Hogan, Rick Rude, AND Lex Luger to WCW. Shawn Michaels would end up leaving in 1998.
Yet WWE took Stone Cold Steve Austin, a WCW reject, and made him the face of their entire company. They took a young wrestler by the name of The Rock and made him both a sucessful heel and face. They took advantage of Shawn Michaels leaving the WWF and made Triple H the leader of D-Generation X, which would be one of the factors of him being where he is today. THEN you loook into the later years of 1999-2000, and WWE developed Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy, Edge, Christian, Rikishi, Scotty 2 Hotty, Grandmaster Sexay, D'Lo Brown, Kurt Angle
Yes, WWE took some guys from WCW and ECW... but they were mostly mid-carders. The key is that WWE developed them to be important mid-carders and then main eventers.
Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Dean Malenko, and Perry Saturn all jumped to WCW, where they were treated terribly, and ended up wrestling big matches agaisnt The Rock and Cactus Jack. Chris Jericho ended up being a huge gain for them; Taz should have been pushed better but wrestled a match against Triple H (the only time a ECW Champion faced a WWF Champion) AND he defeated Kurt Angle in his debut.
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Post by RBW on Nov 2, 2008 20:12:55 GMT -5
what about the fact CM Punk, Umaga, Marcus Cor Von and R-truth used to wrestle in TNA
TNA needs name value like Kurt and Booker T, to draw in more casual fans
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Post by ICW on Nov 2, 2008 20:17:25 GMT -5
what about the fact CM Punk, Umaga, Marcus Cor Von and R-truth used to wrestle in TNA TNA needs name value like Kurt and Booker T, to draw in more casual fans Ron Killings wrestled for WWE before TNA. He was under the ring name of K-Kwiik. Umaga wrestled for WWE before TNA; member him in Three Minute Warning back in 2002? |
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Post by tnafan4life on Nov 2, 2008 20:22:32 GMT -5
And TNA made Killings ifyam. He was nothing in WWE - he came to TNA and he was a main eventer and become a two time NWA World Champion. Matt Morgans another.. TNA made people go "Oh! He can wrestle and talk" unlike WWE who just gave a pair of black trunks and made him stutter. He comes to TNA and shows everyone what he can do. Bashir after Haasan left he was just a manager and they didn't seem to want to push him. In TNA he's proving he can wrestle and TNA's pushing him. Don't blame TNA for WWE's stupid release (Gail, Tomko, Morgan, Bashir). Hey, WWE pushed Booker T and WCW made him.. pushed 3D.. ECW made him. But, I forget TNA's the devil of pro-wrestling.  |
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Post by the franchise on Nov 2, 2008 20:24:22 GMT -5
Funk does have a point in what he says.
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Nov 2, 2008 20:27:42 GMT -5
It kind of is. Go to their website and look at its current roster... Amir Bashir (Davari in WWE) BG James (Roaddog in WWE) Booker T (WCW and WWE talent) Brother D-Von (ECW, WWE) Brother Ray (ECW, WWE) Christian Cage (WWE) Christy Hemme (Won the WWE Diva search) Earl Hebner (Long time referee for the company) Hector Guerrero Jacqueline (WWE) Jeff Jarrett (WWE, WCW) Jim Cornette Kevin Nash (WWE, WCW) Kip James (WWE) Kurt Angle (WWE) Matt Morgan (WWE) Mick Foley (WCW, ECW, WWE) Mike Tenay (WCW) Rhino (ECW, WWE) Scott Steiner (WCW, WWE) Sharmell (WCW, WWE) Sting (WCW) That's a lottttttttttttttttttttttttt of former ECW/WCW/WWE talent. Plus, someone like Angelina Love, who was a WWE development signing. If you look at their alumni list, there is quiet a bit of former WWE/WCW/ECW talent they had, such as: Ron Killings Ken Shamrock Rick Steinner Raven Elix Skipper D'Lo Brown Rellik (Johnny Stamboli in WCW/WWE) Dustin Rhodes (Goldust in WWE) Dusty Rhodes James Mitchell (Sinister Minister in ECW) Gail Kim Salinas (Ariel in WWECW) Scott Hall Spike Dudley Jerry Lynn Jackie Gayda Konnan Norman Smiley X-Pac Sabu Jeff Hardy Shannon Moore DDP Kid Kash Tyson Tomko I mean to an extent I understand what you mean. However, TNA had Sabu before the E' did, Jeff Hardy at the time was the "hottest free agent in wrestling." TNA needs name value. They're not known as well as WWE is around the globe. But I mean in a way you see homegrown talent from TNA in WWE as well. I mean look at guys like: Joey Mercury Monty Brown CM Punk Evan Bourne Sonny Siaki Kazarian Chris Harris However, while I can't say this for all of the wrestlers "most" of them were used CORRECTLY in TNA. I mean look at guys like Christian, Hardy, DDP, Raven. |
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Post by S on Nov 2, 2008 20:28:55 GMT -5
Why wouldn't Jeff be in TNA? It's his fricken company.. Noone ever talks about the fact that - Kennedy - Mickie - MVP - Murdoch (when he was in WWE) - Bourne wrestled in TNA before? Also, out of 47ish talent only 18ish are from WWE/WCW/ECW. That's 29 people TNA "made". I'm so sick of this "OMGZ ALL DEY DO IS SIGN FORMA WWE TALENT" crap. Thats over a third of former WWE people on the TNA roster... now consider the amount of wrestlers in WWE and now consider the amount of WWE wrestlers who made a bigger name for themselves in TNa than WWE? the percentage is gonna be nowhere near as high |
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Post by ICW on Nov 2, 2008 20:29:51 GMT -5
I just believe that TNA, if wanting to become a legit taken wrestling company, needs to make its own stars.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2008 20:34:11 GMT -5
Funk is god. Period.
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Post by Heresy on Nov 2, 2008 21:52:02 GMT -5
And TNA made Killings ifyam. He was nothing in WWE - he came to TNA and he was a main eventer and become a two time NWA World Champion. Matt Morgans another.. TNA made people go "Oh! He can wrestle and talk" unlike WWE who just gave a pair of black trunks and made him stutter. He comes to TNA and shows everyone what he can do. Bashir after Haasan left he was just a manager and they didn't seem to want to push him. In TNA he's proving he can wrestle and TNA's pushing him. Don't blame TNA for WWE's stupid release (Gail, Tomko, Morgan, Bashir). Hey, WWE pushed Booker T and WCW made him.. pushed 3D.. ECW made him. But, I forget TNA's the devil of pro-wrestling. TNA made Ron Killings, alright... but WWE made R-Truth. I'll leave you to guess which holds more name value. The other two... they're just WWE midcard leftovers TNA is "using correctly" for the sake of profiting off whatever name value, however negligible, they acquired in WWE. In reality Matt Morgan is FAR from impressive (he was better with the stuttering... the constant whining about his butt buddy getting injured is far more irritating) and Bashir is just a continuation of a gimmick that became stale before it left WWE. The key word here is "proportion." If you make far more stars than you sign from other companies, you are a success and a credit to the industry. If you regularly stick your hand in the "name value" cookie jar so to speak, you aren't doing much for the industry besides profit off others' investments and work. WCW regularly stuck there hands in the cookie jar... TNA... they are addicted to the cookie jar, and have really been sustaining itself on it. To even begin to attack WWE for signing guys from WCW and ECW is the definition of grasping at straws. |
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Nov 2, 2008 22:14:15 GMT -5
How many people remember Christy, Matt Morgan, Jackie, Bashir from WWE? Not that many. Yeah well how many people remember - Kennedy - Mickie - MVP - Murdoch (when he was in WWE) - Bourne From TNA? Not that many... |
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