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Post by deskjet on Jul 1, 2007 14:17:01 GMT -5
so technically, depending on your perspective, Lesnar is the IWGP champion?
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Post by PhoeniX™: Valoween on Jul 1, 2007 17:18:24 GMT -5
Kurt Angle is the IWGP Third Belt champion, according to Wikipedia.
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Post by James Hetfield on Jul 1, 2007 21:33:02 GMT -5
so technically, depending on your perspective, Lesnar is the IWGP champion? Um, no. Lesnar was not the IWGP champion at the time of his "Defense" against Angle. |
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Post by deskjet on Jul 1, 2007 21:54:27 GMT -5
so technically, depending on your perspective, Lesnar is the IWGP champion? Um, no. Lesnar was not the IWGP champion at the time of his "Defense" against Angle. Thats what I mean by perspective. If he never really lost the belt then technically isnt he still the champ? yes I know he was stripped..but it waa taken from him, he never lost it |
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Post by James Hetfield on Jul 1, 2007 21:59:49 GMT -5
He was stripped of the title. So that means, he LOST it. He never deserved that belt in the first place.
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Post by taker1 on Jul 2, 2007 5:17:10 GMT -5
The idea of Angle holding a lot of belts has a striking similarity to a certain, Ultimo " Don't Call me Ultimate, Tenay" Dragon.  lmao. |
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Post by PhoeniX™: Valoween on Jul 2, 2007 5:30:57 GMT -5
Did no-one see what I said? They are calling it the IWGP Third Belt.
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Post by deskjet on Jul 2, 2007 8:52:06 GMT -5
He was stripped of the title. So that means, he LOST it. He never deserved that belt in the first place. stripped of the title and losing it are two different things. No one defeated him, so he's still the champion, at least in his eyes. If mike tyson gets stripped of the title did he lose it to anyone? no. to him and others, he's still the chmapion till someone beats him, at least from that PERSPECTIVE. |
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Post by iwaspushed on Jul 2, 2007 10:18:55 GMT -5
Did no-one see what I said? They are calling it the IWGP Third Belt. I think it's just the third version of the belt. I know they number the champions on NJPW, I guess they number the belts too. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Jul 3, 2007 1:46:59 GMT -5
He was stripped of the title. So that means, he LOST it. He never deserved that belt in the first place. stripped of the title and losing it are two different things. No one defeated him, so he's still the champion, at least in his eyes. If mike tyson gets stripped of the title did he lose it to anyone? no. to him and others, he's still the chmapion till someone beats him, at least from that PERSPECTIVE. Well you can say whatever you want. Lesnar went like 6 months or a year without defending the title. In any company I know of in Japan, if the belt isn't defended every or at leased within 30 days, it's vacant. Lesnar and Inoki are morons to think otherwise. |
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Post by deskjet on Jul 3, 2007 14:45:26 GMT -5
stripped of the title and losing it are two different things. No one defeated him, so he's still the champion, at least in his eyes. If mike tyson gets stripped of the title did he lose it to anyone? no. to him and others, he's still the chmapion till someone beats him, at least from that PERSPECTIVE. Well you can say whatever you want. Lesnar went like 6 months or a year without defending the title. In any company I know of in Japan, if the belt isn't defended every or at leased within 30 days, it's vacant. Lesnar and Inoki are morons to think otherwise. yea, um I think a guy who has his own company is far from a moron |
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Post by comebackkid on Jul 3, 2007 14:57:05 GMT -5
Lesnar is not the IWGP champion, thus meaning Angle isn't either
If i stole a Title from a WWE Wrestler and then you pin me, neither of us are "Champions"
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Post by deskjet on Jul 4, 2007 12:05:41 GMT -5
Lesnar is not the IWGP champion, thus meaning Angle isn't either If i stole a Title from a WWE Wrestler and then you pin me, neither of us are "Champions" but he didnt steal it. It was taken from him. much like Lashley. He never "lost" the ECW title, it was taken from him..so technically he can say he's still the champion because he never was beaten. I'm just saying maybe thats the way Brock is looking at it. |
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Post by Heresy on Jul 4, 2007 13:30:37 GMT -5
so technically he can say he's still the champion because he never was beaten. I'm just saying maybe thats the way Brock is looking at it. He was stripped of the title and he kept the belt... by being 'technically' stripped of the title, he 'technically' lost it, and the lineage of the belt 'technically' continued on from there. Perspective is irrelevant when the facts blatantly prove he isn't IWGP Champion. End of. |
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Post by comebackkid on Jul 4, 2007 19:17:29 GMT -5
Lesnar is not the IWGP champion, thus meaning Angle isn't either If i stole a Title from a WWE Wrestler and then you pin me, neither of us are "Champions" but he didnt steal it. It was taken from him. much like Lashley. He never "lost" the ECW title, it was taken from him..so technically he can say he's still the champion because he never was beaten. I'm just saying maybe thats the way Brock is looking at it. Lashley is still in WWE currently after being stripped, Brock was not even in NJPW after he was stripped. Diffrent Situation and he doesn't own the belt, he left with it...thus being STOLEN |
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Post by gregthebunny on Jul 4, 2007 20:29:13 GMT -5
Is it that  ing hard for you people to realize? Lesnar defended, and dropped to Angle, a stolen championship belt. Kurt Angle is now in possession of said belt, and claiming himself to be IWGP champion without consent of New Japan, the owners of the IWGP copyright. TNA has no working agreement with New Japan, therefore TNA faces legal action from New Japan if New Japan pleases. Angle is NOTHING (except for TNA champ) just like Lesnar was NOTHING when he "defended" "his" title. This is in no way like the Lashley deal, so stop your moronic comparisons of these situations. |
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Post by Ari Gold on Jul 5, 2007 4:56:15 GMT -5
yea i actually saw the match online..pretty good match overall.
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Post by hollywood06 on Jul 5, 2007 17:42:06 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels did something similar with the Intercontinental title back in the 90's after he was stripped. He came back with "his" belt and defended it even though Razor Ramon was the champion and had his own belt. I know that was just storyline, but this story kinda reminded me of it. Maybe they should just have a ladder match with the 2 titles hanging together..  |
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Post by manstration on Jul 5, 2007 18:05:51 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels did something similar with the Intercontinental title back in the 90's after he was stripped. He came back with "his" belt and defended it even though Razor Ramon was the champion and had his own belt. I know that was just storyline, but this story kinda reminded me of it. Maybe they should just have a ladder match with the 2 titles hanging together..  |
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Post by deskjet on Jul 5, 2007 21:01:18 GMT -5
I doubt TNA is wllingly engaging in legal entanglement just for Angle to tote around another title.
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