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Post by No Brokeback on Jan 4, 2010 23:55:48 GMT -5
Guess I'm a fool then. The show got progressively worse when Hogan came in Hogan was in for what? 20 minutes? Then they let the show carry on for another hour and a half before he did anything? How was that clogging up the show? The rest of the time it was TNA wrestlers, wrestling...
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Post by dxfan13 on Jan 4, 2010 23:56:25 GMT -5
Guess I'm a fool then. The show got progressively worse when Hogan came in It was pretty bad already when Homicide couldn't get out of the cage
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Post by Rant Casey on Jan 4, 2010 23:56:32 GMT -5
I agree, the biggest thing to me tonight was the idea of having two options. It felt like the 90's all over again, and it was absolutely awesome. I'm interested to see where TNA is going to go, but I'm afraid their real talent is going to get lost in the shuffle with all the big old-timers running around. Still, they've got the star power to climb the ladder right now and that says something. Unfortunately, they're back to Thursday nights and nothing is really going to change until we can get weekly competition. I loved having a choice tonight, but it felt like late 1999 to me. By that time I would barely pay attention to WCW, and once Raw started I could barely keep it on TNA. The first hour was horrible, 2 matches, both of which, for lack of a better word, sucked. Jeff Hardy showing up in TNA seems stupid to me, he can't do anything there to further his career. The endless ads that were used just to stretch Hogan's debut to the 9:00 PM spot felt cheap, they could have done something worthwhile with that time. Hogan reforming a group that became irrelevant over 10 years ago does nothing for me at all. The main event started off well, but then some masked guy runs in, yet there is no DQ called, it appeared that it didn't matter at all. Then finish of the match felt more dragged out than the ended of the Lord of the Rings part 3, far too many false finishes. Then the NWO beating down Mick Foley? That would have been worth seeing in 1997, not 2010. TNA has shown me nothing that makes me want to watch them ever again. I'll get my entertainment from the WWE, and my wrestling from ROH.
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Post by squaredcircleactionfigs on Jan 4, 2010 23:56:34 GMT -5
I have not watched wrestling in approximately 10 years (I collect classic action figures). Please note, I have seen some TNA matches (maybe five). I was a huge ECW, WCW and WWF fan from 1985 to 2000 so when I heard the buzz about Hogan and Bret returning s I decided to watch the end of both shows. I thought I would break down what I saw from the two shows tonight.
Final matches: Kofi vs. Orton - Sucked from what I saw. I am not sure how anyone thinks these are technically great wrestlers. It was slow and there was no fluidity. Also, the crowd was not into it.
Angle vs. Styles - A solid match. I was drawn to it from a technical standpoint but I do admit it went on a little too long. I felt as though both wrestlers were pushing for something when it was not there and had to resort to the same moves at the end. However, the match kept my attention and was rock solid for a Monday night event.
Announcers: Unknown and King - King is still solid and is the best color commentator in the business. I disliked the voice of the unknown guy. He sounded pompous and monotone.
Tenay and Tazz - I love Tenay. He was one of the best play by play guys in professional wrestling in the past and he has not lost a beat. I am indifferent about Tazz. Tazz is funny but some of his comments are awkward. He falls over his words at times.
Crowd: WWE - Typical big arena WWE crowd. No good chants and they did not seem enthusiastic. Noise level was low.
TNA - Awesome, reminds me of the ECW arena crowd but toned down (for all you youngsters pick up a couple of dvd's or vhs from old ECW arena events). Very intimate and very innovative chants. Loved it.
End Segments: Hart and McMahon - I am sorry but Vince is still egotistic and he still can not pull himself away from the program. I wish this was not the case. I did not get the Hart thing. Great you make up with him and then turn your back on him. Not inventive and the segment did not draw me in. I will continue to not watch the WWE.
Flair/Hogan/Styles/Angle/Foley - I loved the comradery between Angle and Styles. I am eager to see what happens with Flair. I loved the end segment with Foley walking in on Val Venis(?), then confronting Bischoff and finally getting beat up by the NWO. I am only assuming Foley vs. Nash is next. He will probably have to go through the NWO to eventually get to Hogan but who knows.
For me TNA won tonight. I know TNA showcased old wrestlers to draw people like myself into the product. However, I think TNA has viable younger talent. I have seen a few matches sparingly and a few notables are Robert Rude, Morgan and Daniels. Abyss is okay.
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Post by J12 on Jan 4, 2010 23:56:53 GMT -5
One of the biggest tests for me when it comes to how TNA is going to utilize their real talent is what happens with AJ Styles.
Styles is a homegrown TNA talent who has been busting his ass for seven years to be all that he could be, and it's obvious that his one goal is to better himself, and better TNA with every match.
Sure, Styles is old news to TNA's loyal audience, but to people who may just be tuning in, AJ Styles could be the true representation of what TNA is all about. As far as I'm concerned, Styles is one of the best active wrestlers around and he could be TNA's first real superstar if they play this correctly.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jan 4, 2010 23:59:27 GMT -5
Guess I'm a fool then. The show got progressively worse when Hogan came in Hogan was in for what? 20 minutes? Then they let the show carry on for another hour and a half before he did anything? How was that clogging up the show? The rest of the time it was TNA wrestlers, wrestling... I dont see anywhere in deskjet's post where he said anything relatively close to Hogan clogging up the show
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Post by No Brokeback on Jan 5, 2010 0:00:13 GMT -5
I must say, the TNA crowd pumped me up. Their crowd makes the show SOO much better. When a crowd is behind something, it makes it THAT much better to watch. When I turned into WWE to watch Jericho leave Raw...NOTHING, I could barely hear the 'Na na na goodbye" chants ..and I like Jericho, he deserved more.
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Post by brethartfan97 on Jan 5, 2010 0:01:45 GMT -5
TNA was frustrating as hell. I am ecstatic that I chose against attending the taping at Universal tonight. Commercial after commercial after old, faded star after poorly booked match. A DQ in a cage match? Just awful. All of it! I loved the cut away shots to Dixie shaking her head. Even she knows this show was crap.
This was TNA's one shot to get it right and they couldn't have done a worse job. Orlando Jordan? I think that pretty much sums up the night. The only bright spot was Angle/AJ and even that was marred somewhat by Flair's appearance and disappearance captured by the drunk cameraman.
Conversely, RAW was electric. The differences between the shows have never been more paramount. You have TNA who throws every available wrestler at the screen and have them make zero impact contrasted with the WWE who took Bret Hart and squeezed every ounce of emotion out of him, his life and his story.
If there is to be a Monday Night Wars 2, there is little doubt who will come out on top.
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Post by No Brokeback on Jan 5, 2010 0:01:47 GMT -5
Hogan was in for what? 20 minutes? Then they let the show carry on for another hour and a half before he did anything? How was that clogging up the show? The rest of the time it was TNA wrestlers, wrestling... I dont see anywhere in deskjet's post where he said anything relatively close to Hogan clogging up the show I guess I don't understand why Hogan, after he made an appearance made the show 'worse'. It was mostly a typical TNA show, with Eric Bischoff thrown in.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jan 5, 2010 0:01:52 GMT -5
Thats because TNA's crowd is the same 1,000 people every taping inside of a tight studio.
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Post by squaredcircleactionfigs on Jan 5, 2010 0:03:59 GMT -5
One of the biggest tests for me when it comes to how TNA is going to utilize their real talent is what happens with AJ Styles. Styles is a homegrown TNA talent who has been busting his ass for seven years to be all that he could be, and it's obvious that his one goal is to better himself, and better TNA with every match. Sure, Styles is old news to TNA's loyal audience, but to people who may just be tuning in, AJ Styles could be the true representation of what TNA is all about. As far as I'm concerned, Styles is one of the best active wrestlers around and he could be TNA's first real superstar if they play this correctly. Agreed, he was phenomenal tonight. His finisher is unique and he is technically by far the best I have seen today (which is not much). Kind of reminds me of Bret/RVD hybrid. Quick on his feet and acrobatic but he incorporates great holds and moves into his acrobatic wrestling style.
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Post by MichaelTheMartian on Jan 5, 2010 0:06:36 GMT -5
Man I'm in love with TNA right now, they have many of my favouries, AJ, Shelley, Sabin, Orlando Jordan, Elijah Burke, Beer Money, Homicide, Kurt.
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Post by No Brokeback on Jan 5, 2010 0:06:40 GMT -5
Thats because TNA's crowd is the same 1,000 people every taping inside of a tight studio. As long as those 1,000 of the same people are into the show, yelling and screaming and being loud, then it's all good for the TV viewers. It sounds great when watching the show.
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Post by squaredcircleactionfigs on Jan 5, 2010 0:07:19 GMT -5
I must say, the TNA crowd pumped me up. Their crowd makes the show SOO much better. When a crowd is behind something, it makes it THAT much better to watch. When I turned into WWE to watch Jericho leave Raw...NOTHING, I could barely hear the 'Na na na goodbye" chants ..and I like Jericho, he deserved more. I know, how can an event be "electrifying" when the crowd is asleep. I do not get it but that is my opinion.
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Post by dxfan13 on Jan 5, 2010 0:07:52 GMT -5
TNA was frustrating as hell. I am ecstatic that I chose against attending the taping at Universal tonight. Commercial after commercial after old, faded star after poorly booked match. A DQ in a cage match? Just awful. All of it! I loved the cut away shots to Dixie shaking her head. Even she knows this show was crap. This was TNA's one shot to get it right and they couldn't have done a worse job. Orlando Jordan? I think that pretty much sums up the night. The only bright spot was Angle/AJ and even that was marred somewhat by Flair's appearance and disappearance captured by the drunk cameraman. Conversely, RAW was electric. The differences between the shows have never been more paramount. You have TNA who throws every available wrestler at the screen and have them make zero impact contrasted with the WWE who took Bret Hart and squeezed every ounce of emotion out of him, his life and his story. If there is to be a Monday Night Wars 2, there is little doubt who will come out on top. Almost my exact thoughts
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Jan 5, 2010 0:08:23 GMT -5
TNA, with Bischoff, Angle, Hogan, Hall, Nash, Hardy, Scott, Sean, Flair will not only make me want to play Smackdown vs Raw 2004, but I am very interested to see where this goes and can finally say I will watch TNA and hopefully enjoy it. Replace those names with the words "The. Same. Exact. People. We've. Seen. In. WWE. Before." And you'll have what TNA meant to me tonight. My friend's brother was all like "All the WWE people are leaving WWE and going to TNA." They aren't jumping ship. They are wrestling where they can get a good paycheck, AFTER they f***ed up their chance in WWE. Everyone acts like these people are offered legit contracts and they choose TNA over WWE because "it's the better choice." TNA is more stale than WWE now, because they are re-hashing talent that WWE has used all over before.
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Post by deskjet on Jan 5, 2010 0:08:37 GMT -5
I dont see anywhere in deskjet's post where he said anything relatively close to Hogan clogging up the show I guess I don't understand why Hogan, after he made an appearance made the show 'worse'. It was mostly a typical TNA show, with Eric Bischoff thrown in. Thanks JOey. Hogan was the payoff. before that we got hardy and flair and two average matches. After that we got a clusterfrick of 3 minute matches, 30 minutes worth of commercials , 20 minutes of backstage crap, orlando Jordan, the nasty boys, val venis, one great Main event, and a teased nwo reunion for the 5,00th time.
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Post by deskjet on Jan 5, 2010 0:10:58 GMT -5
Thats because TNA's crowd is the same 1,000 people every taping inside of a tight studio. As long as those 1,000 of the same people are into the show, yelling and screaming and being loud, then it's all good for the TV viewers. It sounds great when watching the show. That wasnt a typical TNA crowd, trust me.
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Post by No Brokeback on Jan 5, 2010 0:11:25 GMT -5
And? That is how WCW got a lot of their talent. When Hogan messed up with Steriods and quit WWE....WCW picked him up? Same thing, different time? Not a big deal.
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Post by No Brokeback on Jan 5, 2010 0:12:58 GMT -5
Compared to Raw..where 2 weeks ago, everyone said it was the worst show they ever watched with 10 minutes worth of matches over a two hour span, let's not forget Midget Court.
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