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Post by bane on May 10, 2010 18:03:12 GMT -5
You are adding vowels to the name of YSH don't you know? You cannot be sure THAT name is pronounced Yeshua either.
But my point is if we have no idea how it was pronounced or wrote from our modern English...Don't you think God would want us to TRY to say his name to the best of our ability? Also there are ALOT of gods. How do you know which one is which? By their names right?
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Post by bane on May 10, 2010 18:06:09 GMT -5
So one doesn't pray to Jesus at all. You pray only to the Father through Jesus name. I'm not sure which one of you wrote this as you have the bad habit of responding inside someone's quote. Stephen when he was being stoned prayed directly to Jesus in Acts 7:59 - "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." I cannot figure out this quote thing... Was Stephen praying to Jesus? No, he was not. One’s worship—and therefore one’s prayers—should go only to Jehovah God. (Luke 4:8; 6:12) Under normal circumstances, Stephen would have appealed to Jehovah in the name of Jesus. (John 15:16) In this instance, though, Stephen had a vision of “the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.” (Acts 7:56) Fully aware that Jesus had been given the power to resurrect the dead, Stephen spoke, but did not pray, directly to Jesus, asking Him to safeguard his spirit.—John 5:27-29.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on May 10, 2010 18:32:38 GMT -5
I'm still confused about what exactly you believe about Jesus.
Is he just a prophet? A great man? Another God? What exactly do you believe about him?
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Post by bane on May 10, 2010 18:40:16 GMT -5
I'm still confused about what exactly you believe about Jesus. Is he just a prophet? A great man? Another God? What exactly do you believe about him? This is going to be long... Christ is God’s Son and Matt. 3:17; John 8:42; 14:28; is inferior to Him 20:17; 1 Cor. 11:3; 15:28 Christ was first of God’s Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14 creations Christ died on a stake, Gal. 3:13; Acts 5:30 not a cross Christ’s human life was Matt. 20:28; 1 Tim. 2:5, 6; paid as a ransom for 1 Pet. 2:24 obedient humans Christ’s one sacrifice Rom. 6:10; Heb. 9:25-28 was sufficient Christ was raised from 1 Pet. 3:18; Rom. 6:9; the dead as an immortal Rev. 1:17, 18 spirit person Christ’s presence is in John 14:19; Matt. 24:3; spirit 2 Cor. 5:16; Ps. 110:1, 2
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Post by Hulkamaniac on May 10, 2010 18:42:21 GMT -5
So what is Jesus then? Man? God? Both? Neither? Is he a prophet? More than that? What role does he play in salvation, if any? What exactly is he? What power does he have, if any? What makes him different from any other prophet in the Bible? What significance does he have today, if any?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2010 19:48:44 GMT -5
You are adding vowels to the name of YSH don't you know? You cannot be sure THAT name is pronounced Yeshua either. But my point is if we have no idea how it was pronounced or wrote from our modern English...Don't you think God would want us to TRY to say his name to the best of our ability? Also there are ALOT of gods. How do you know which one is which? By their names right? We know it's right because there are still people who go by the Hebrew-Aramaic name Yeshua, and it's pronounced that way by Orthodox Jews, Hebrew scholars, and many other types of folks.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on May 10, 2010 19:59:08 GMT -5
Why is it so important what the name is?
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Post by bane on May 11, 2010 0:33:15 GMT -5
We know it's right because there are still people who go by the Hebrew-Aramaic name Yeshua, and it's pronounced that way by Orthodox Jews, Hebrew scholars, and many other types of folks. But if the original Hebrew didn't have vowels..you cannot say Jeremiah, Ezekial etc. without those vowels yet your hebrew scholars say their names right? Yet the TRUE name isn't known.
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Post by bane on May 11, 2010 0:38:06 GMT -5
Why is it so important what the name is? Because Jehovahs is the sovereign LORD of the universe. That's why. Matthew 6:9 “YOU must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. How can we sanctify Jehovah's Name if we never use it? It people erase it from their Bibles? That is not Hallowing or holding it holy, that is treating the name with disrespect not to use it. Jesus commanded us to use it. The evening before Jesus died, he was praying to God in the hearing of his disciples, and once again they heard him highlight the importance of God’s name. He said: “I have made your name known to the men you took from the world to give me.” Later, he repeated: “I have made your name known to them and will continue to make it known.”—John 17:6, 26
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Post by Hulkamaniac on May 11, 2010 8:22:59 GMT -5
Not saying the name isn't important, I'm just questioning why it's so important that we know the exact name. Why quibble over it? If I want to worship the same deity you worship, but I want to call him Bob, where's the harm?
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Post by bane on May 11, 2010 12:35:05 GMT -5
Not saying the name isn't important, I'm just questioning why it's so important that we know the exact name. Why quibble over it? If I want to worship the same deity you worship, but I want to call him Bob, where's the harm? I think I just answered that. It was very important to Jesus and it is important to Jehovah. See the scriptures above. Jesus doesn't say call him whatever you want...He loves you and don't worry about it...He said what he said because it distinguishs him from all other Gods. His unique name, Jehovah.
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Post by Mr. Bo Ziffer on May 11, 2010 13:12:33 GMT -5
Oh skycake...Why are you so delicious?!?!
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Post by arnanderson on May 11, 2010 13:40:00 GMT -5
Actually read this...Matthew 6:9 “YOU must pray, then, this way: See that is where you are wrong because depending on the Church you go tom which yours states that that is how you must pray, it isn't like that for other Churches. So no you do not have to pray like that as there are multiple ways to pray, as well as interpretations of how it can be used. If you want to pray you can pray anyway you want, and anyone who says differently is wrong. I can pray using the name of Jesus, God, or any other God from any other type of religion that one maybe a part of. Do you think God really cares what you call him? Of course not. God is also know as Jesus Christ. No it isn't different from the example I gave you because that is how the real world works. Information becomes fuzzier, and fuzzier as time passes. And with a Book that was written some 40 to 70 years after Jesus's death that was not even written by the man, but by man himself there are errors. That's part of being human. People don't do it on purpose but it just happens just like the ole Telephone game you use to play in High School. And that is exactly how the Bible was communicated from until a written text came a long. Which is why I said you need to keep a open mind on what is said in the Bible, and pick and choose what you think is the most accurate in it.
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Post by StingerSplash on May 11, 2010 13:43:03 GMT -5
No it isn't different from the example I gave you because that is how the real world works. Information becomes fuzzier, and fuzzier as time passes. And with a Book that was written some 40 to 70 years after Jesus's death that was not even written by the man, but by man himself there are errors. That's part of being human. People don't do it on purpose but it just happens just like the ole Telephone game you use to play in High School. And that is exactly how the Bible was communicated from until a written text came a long. Which is why I said you need to keep a open mind on what is said in the Bible, and pick and choose what you think is the most accurate in it. But considering the fact that the people that wrote the Bible were given the words by God, there's not much error.
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Post by arnanderson on May 11, 2010 13:47:01 GMT -5
But considering the fact that the people that wrote the Bible were given the words by God, there's not much error. As I said above it was verbally communicated for decades before it was written so of course there are going to be errors. Tell me how many conversations you can give me from 20 years ago.
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Post by StingerSplash on May 11, 2010 13:49:49 GMT -5
But considering the fact that the people that wrote the Bible were given the words by God, there's not much error. As I said above it was verbally communicated for decades before it was written so of course there are going to be errors. Tell me how many conversations you can give me from 20 years ago. I can't, because I'm not the one God gave the words to. But guys like Moses, John, Matthew, and the rest of the authors God gave the words to.
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Post by arnanderson on May 11, 2010 13:52:59 GMT -5
I can't, because I'm not the one God gave the words to. But guys like Moses, John, Matthew, and the rest of the authors God gave the words to. How does not being the one that God gave his words too effect your memory. All of those people were humans, and humans make errors. Especially when it comes to memory. And passing down stuff verbally changes. If a classroom can't accurately give what was said within a small time frame, then there are going to be some errors decades later when you go to write something down from a verbal language.
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Post by StingerSplash on May 11, 2010 13:58:52 GMT -5
I can't, because I'm not the one God gave the words to. But guys like Moses, John, Matthew, and the rest of the authors God gave the words to. How does not being the one that God gave his words too effect your memory. All of those people were humans, and humans make errors. Especially when it comes to memory. And passing down stuff verbally changes. If a classroom can't accurately give what was said within a small time frame, then there are going to be some errors decades later when you go to write something down from a verbal language. To be honest with you, I can't remember a conversation from 20 years ago because I'm not 20 years old. And yes, humans make errors. But I'm pretty sure God wouldn't let someone write down the wrong thing. And just curious, what relgion do you practice?
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Post by arnanderson on May 11, 2010 14:00:59 GMT -5
To be honest with you, I can't remember a conversation from 20 years ago because I'm not 20 years old. It was a example. God wasn't around when they wrote the Bible. It was written decades afterwards.
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Post by StingerSplash on May 11, 2010 14:02:13 GMT -5
To be honest with you, I can't remember a conversation from 20 years ago because I'm not 20 years old. It was a example. God wasn't around when they wrote the Bible. It was written decades afterwards. Just because God wasn't physically WITH them, does not mean he wasn't spiritually with them.
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