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Post by extreme on May 28, 2010 23:14:32 GMT -5
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on May 28, 2010 23:23:23 GMT -5
... there was no other side to Hitler. Chris Benoit it seems there was a clear cut different person. There was the person fans knew from TV and then there was the person that killed his wife and kids. That's where the split comes from. For Hitler the person that did the Holocaust and the person who helped turn Germany into an industrial powerhouse weren't two different people. There was no distinct seperation between the two like there was for Benoit. I really don't think any sort of likeness between the two makes any sense what so ever. But I don't think Hitler could've done what he did politically without the Holocaust; he turned the nation against "inferior" races, particularly Jews, and killed them; it was the racial superiority concept that allowed the military, fascist regime to succeed and conquer land; if there was no Holocaust, there'd be no racial superiority "concept," and no political success for Hitler, unless he would have decided to take a different route. Not all fascist regimes have orchestrated a Holocaust. To say Hitler was successful because of the Holocaust is assinine and ill-informed. Especially considering Hitler attained power in 1933 and the Holocaust didn't really start until about 6 years later. I never once said I condoned the Holocaust I cannot stress that enough as it was a horrible time. However every single other thing Hitler did was respectable in terms of how a political leader should be. He was a champion. He was incredibly charismatic and most Germans loved and respected what he did for their nation.
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Post by extreme on May 28, 2010 23:30:08 GMT -5
But I don't think Hitler could've done what he did politically without the Holocaust; he turned the nation against "inferior" races, particularly Jews, and killed them; it was the racial superiority concept that allowed the military, fascist regime to succeed and conquer land; if there was no Holocaust, there'd be no racial superiority "concept," and no political success for Hitler, unless he would have decided to take a different route. Not all fascist regimes have orchestrated a Holocaust. To say Hitler was successful because of the Holocaust is assinine and ill-informed. Especially considering Hitler attained power in 1933 and the Holocaust didn't really start until about 6 years later. I never once said I condoned the Holocaust I cannot stress that enough as it was a horrible time. However every single other thing Hitler did was respectable in terms of how a political leader should be. He was a champion. He was incredibly charismatic and most Germans loved and respected what he did for their nation. Hitler certainly was diligent. He used to practice speaking in front of a mirror everyday to become as charismatic as he was. I think his diligence and charisma is something that is very admirable and certainly something everyone wants. Unfortunately he had his mind and intentions in the wrong place.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2010 23:30:30 GMT -5
But I don't think Hitler could've done what he did politically without the Holocaust; he turned the nation against "inferior" races, particularly Jews, and killed them; it was the racial superiority concept that allowed the military, fascist regime to succeed and conquer land; if there was no Holocaust, there'd be no racial superiority "concept," and no political success for Hitler, unless he would have decided to take a different route. Not all fascist regimes have orchestrated a Holocaust. To say Hitler was successful because of the Holocaust is assinine and ill-informed. Especially considering Hitler attained power in 1933 and the Holocaust didn't really start until about 6 years later. I never once said I condoned the Holocaust I cannot stress that enough as it was a horrible time. However every single other thing Hitler did was respectable in terms of how a political leader should be. He was a champion. He was incredibly charismatic and most Germans loved and respected what he did for their nation. But that's what I'm saying - Hitler was an actor above all else, and his speeches were about racial supremacy of the Aryan people. He NEEDED that gimmick to achieve political success. He theatrics made him who he was, not his actual intelligence or lack thereof.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2010 23:31:52 GMT -5
? Even if you accept Jesus as simply an historical first century, lower class Jewish rabbi, to change the world he did is absolutely immeasurable. He was a hero.
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Post by slappy on May 28, 2010 23:33:15 GMT -5
? Even if you accept Jesus as simply an historical first century, lower class Jewish rabbi, to change the world he did is absolutely immeasurable. He was a hero. He only changed the world, because people made him out to be something that would change the world. He didn't change the world by himself, his followers made him out to be a changer of the world.
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Post by peecfeed on May 29, 2010 0:06:03 GMT -5
CHRIS BOSH.
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Post by juicewinslow on May 29, 2010 0:36:26 GMT -5
Notorious B.I.G.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2010 0:37:40 GMT -5
? Even if you accept Jesus as simply an historical first century, lower class Jewish rabbi, to change the world he did is absolutely immeasurable. He was a hero. He only changed the world, because people made him out to be something that would change the world. He didn't change the world by himself, his followers made him out to be a changer of the world. Well, you could say that about any influential person, then.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on May 29, 2010 0:42:35 GMT -5
He only changed the world, because people made him out to be something that would change the world. He didn't change the world by himself, his followers made him out to be a changer of the world. Well, you could say that about any influential person, then. THIS is the best statement in this entire thread.
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Post by ville on May 29, 2010 0:44:44 GMT -5
He only changed the world, because people made him out to be something that would change the world. He didn't change the world by himself, his followers made him out to be a changer of the world. Well, you could say that about any influential person, then. My jaw just droped.
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Post by Warheart on May 29, 2010 0:50:31 GMT -5
Satan. Nah just kidding, but in all honesty I gotta give it up to Cesar Chavez and Martin Luther King Jr. They did what was right for us brothas.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on May 29, 2010 8:22:42 GMT -5
Well, you could say that about any influential person, then. THIS is the best statement in this entire thread. Agreed. If you can inspire people to go out and change the world is that not an incredible and admirable thing?
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on May 29, 2010 9:43:57 GMT -5
THIS is the best statement in this entire thread. Agreed. If you can inspire people to go out and change the world is that not an incredible and admirable thing? It's very admirable. This is just another example of people thinking that they're above recognizing the fact that Jesus is probably the most influential person in the history of our world. I'd admit that even if I wasn't a Christian.
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Post by k5 on May 29, 2010 10:44:34 GMT -5
robin hood liked his ideals
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Post by Kyle - legendkilla2k9 on May 29, 2010 16:21:09 GMT -5
William Wallace, Queen Elizabeth, King William of Orange, Abraham Lincoln & Martin Luther (Reformer not King).
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on May 29, 2010 17:14:35 GMT -5
Part of me wants to say Martin Luther, the Protestant Reformer...not because even the fact that he was Protestant or even a religious figure, but the political ramifications his rebellion had...I mean, the Catholic church had ruled Western Europe for a millenium prior, and here's a mere friar challenging its authority and leading a whole movement that still lives today. At the same time, he was also a vicious anti-Semite and a nutcase, but nevertheless, can't help but admire his reformational courage. This, plus a few others. Not all fascist regimes have orchestrated a Holocaust. To say Hitler was successful because of the Holocaust is assinine and ill-informed. Especially considering Hitler attained power in 1933 and the Holocaust didn't really start until about 6 years later. I never once said I condoned the Holocaust I cannot stress that enough as it was a horrible time. However every single other thing Hitler did was respectable in terms of how a political leader should be. He was a champion. He was incredibly charismatic and most Germans loved and respected what he did for their nation. But that's what I'm saying - Hitler was an actor above all else, and his speeches were about racial supremacy of the Aryan people. He NEEDED that gimmick to achieve political success. He theatrics made him who he was, not his actual intelligence or lack thereof. Most Germans disliked the whole racism thing - when trying to get voted in he focused on Anti-Communist propaganda and attempted to support all classes. ? Even if you accept Jesus as simply an historical first century, lower class Jewish rabbi, to change the world he did is absolutely immeasurable. He was a hero. He only changed the world, because people made him out to be something that would change the world. He didn't change the world by himself, his followers made him out to be a changer of the world. As said before, you can say that about anyone.
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Post by King Silva on May 29, 2010 22:16:58 GMT -5
Earl Warren!
I like how he helped the Civil Rights Movement.
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Post by T1 on May 29, 2010 23:57:18 GMT -5
One of my favorite people for various reasons, is Andrew Jackson. YES YES YES. + Vladimir Lenin + a little bit of Marx.
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on May 30, 2010 0:02:26 GMT -5
Charles Darwin, Nikola Tesla, Albert Einstein, Leonardo DiVinci, Mohandis Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr. Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, Epicurus, Plato, and Abraham Lincoln
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