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Post by moogie101 on Aug 8, 2010 8:32:26 GMT -5
It was an awesome night of fights, the main event was very intresting to say the least. I thought Silva was done but he is still the best around! Even though he won, he certainly didn't look the best, that is for sure. He got his ass handed to him for the better part of 5 rounds and in the dying minutes of the 5th, he got extremely lucky with the triangle and beat him. If he didn't slap that on, we would have a new champion of the world and everyone knows that for a fact. But he did and therefore won as a result of it. However, Sonnen looked FAR better than Silva did last night. Sonnen proved to alot of people that he was much better than they gave him credit for. He deserves another crack at the belt for sure. Hey James...One question for ya...Do you STILL think it was laughable that people picked Sonnen to win after seeing him dominate Silva for nearly all 5 rounds?? ;D Fair enough Sonnen dominated for 4 & a half rounds & looked great in doing it. However how the hell was that triangle "LUCKY" ? A BJJ Black Belt going for a move is years of training. Sonnen yet again showing a weak submission defence just shows up a training weakness. Anyone saying Anderson was lucky is insane. That would imply that everytime a fighter ends a fight with a strike or submission was lucky!
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Aug 8, 2010 8:51:27 GMT -5
Even though he won, he certainly didn't look the best, that is for sure. He got his ass handed to him for the better part of 5 rounds and in the dying minutes of the 5th, he got extremely lucky with the triangle and beat him. If he didn't slap that on, we would have a new champion of the world and everyone knows that for a fact. But he did and therefore won as a result of it. However, Sonnen looked FAR better than Silva did last night. Sonnen proved to alot of people that he was much better than they gave him credit for. He deserves another crack at the belt for sure. Hey James...One question for ya...Do you STILL think it was laughable that people picked Sonnen to win after seeing him dominate Silva for nearly all 5 rounds?? ;D Fair enough Sonnen dominated for 4 & a half rounds & looked great in doing it. However how the hell was that triangle "LUCKY" ? A BJJ Black Belt going for a move is years of training. Sonnen yet again showing a weak submission defence just shows up a training weakness. Anyone saying Anderson was lucky is insane. That would imply that everytime a fighter ends a fight with a strike or submission was lucky! I agree man. There's no need to make excuses for Chael. Especially since he isn't making any for himself. Sonnen didn't win the fight. If 25 minutes had elapsed, then I'd be right here praising him. He did his thing, but Silva showed why he's the man. People trashing him are just bitter.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Aug 8, 2010 9:09:34 GMT -5
There are certain times in UFC where someone will get dominated in a match and there will be 1 of 2 reactions. For example in the Lesnar fight, Carwin dominated Lesnar, however by Lesnar pulling out the victory, all anyone could say was "damn hes a tough basterd". People gained respect for Lesnar. In Silva's case, people are calling him lucky, which means he was truly the loser last night. Everyone who watched the fight last night, whether they admitt to it or not, know that with 2 minutes left in round 5, they were getting ready to hop on the internet and talk about how Anderson Silva just got his ass kicked. Sonnen GAVE Silva the win, he made a mistake...But for 4 round and 3 minutes, He dominated the SH*t out of the champion. Its possible to be the better fighter and still lose, and the reaction that iv been hearing so far today is that Sonnen was the better fighter and Silva just got.....well....LUCKY.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Aug 8, 2010 9:18:27 GMT -5
There are certain times in UFC where someone will get dominated in a match and there will be 1 of 2 reactions. For example in the Lesnar fight, Carwin dominated Lesnar, however by Lesnar pulling out the victory, all anyone could say was "damn hes a tough basterd". People gained respect for Lesnar. In Silva's case, people are calling him lucky, which means he was truly the loser last night. Everyone who watched the fight last night, whether they admitt to it or not, know that with 2 minutes left in round 5, they were getting ready to hop on the internet and talk about how Anderson Silva just got his ass kicked. Sonnen GAVE Silva the win, he made a mistake...But for 4 round and 3 minutes, He dominated the SH*t out of the champion. Its possible to be the better fighter and still lose, and the reaction that iv been hearing so far today is that Sonnen was the better fighter and Silva just got.....well....LUCKY. Well, if the fight was scheduled for 4 minutes and 30 then that would mean something. Sonnen didn't "give" Silva anything. Anderson saw an opening, and he TOOK it. In my opinion, the better fighter was the one had his hand raised after the bell. Like James said, Sonnen left that arm out there for the taking. The better fighter would've respected Anderson off of his back for the duration of the fight.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Aug 8, 2010 9:33:00 GMT -5
Alright....
Let me save a little face here. I went a little crazy last night, Im a passionate guy and when I want someone to lose, I want them to lose lol.
I apologize for going crazy and all in all it was a good fight. I enjoyed it. Sorry for ripping Silva, I just really really wanted him to lose. I dislike him...
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Aug 8, 2010 9:40:05 GMT -5
Even though he won, he certainly didn't look the best, that is for sure. He got his ass handed to him for the better part of 5 rounds and in the dying minutes of the 5th, he got extremely lucky with the triangle and beat him. If he didn't slap that on, we would have a new champion of the world and everyone knows that for a fact. But he did and therefore won as a result of it. However, Sonnen looked FAR better than Silva did last night. Sonnen proved to alot of people that he was much better than they gave him credit for. He deserves another crack at the belt for sure. Hey James...One question for ya...Do you STILL think it was laughable that people picked Sonnen to win after seeing him dominate Silva for nearly all 5 rounds?? ;D Fair enough Sonnen dominated for 4 & a half rounds & looked great in doing it. However how the hell was that triangle "LUCKY" ? A BJJ Black Belt going for a move is years of training. Sonnen yet again showing a weak submission defence just shows up a training weakness. Anyone saying Anderson was lucky is insane. That would imply that everytime a fighter ends a fight with a strike or submission was lucky! It was lucky because it was in the dying minutes of the 5th and final round. That was basically the ONLY good thing Silva did the ENTIRE fight and it paid off. If he didn't slap that triangle on, he wouldn't be champion right now. Simple as that. He got so ing lucky by being able to slap that on in that last 2 minutes of the final round. Sonnen will have another shot and will win the next time. He simply made a "Fedor-like" error and it cost him. He will get another chance and rightfully so. I don't care if Silva won last night. Sonnen was the better fighter in losing than Silva was in winning.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Aug 8, 2010 9:40:23 GMT -5
Alright.... Let me save a little face here. I went a little crazy last night, Im a passionate guy and when I want someone to lose, I want them to lose lol. I apologize for going crazy and all in all it was a good fight. I enjoyed it. Sorry for ripping Silva, I just really really wanted him to lose. I dislike him... Dude, you should've seen this place after Rampage/Rashad. So many people were trashing Evans like he lost the fight.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Aug 8, 2010 9:46:28 GMT -5
Fair enough Sonnen dominated for 4 & a half rounds & looked great in doing it. However how the hell was that triangle "LUCKY" ? A BJJ Black Belt going for a move is years of training. Sonnen yet again showing a weak submission defence just shows up a training weakness. Anyone saying Anderson was lucky is insane. That would imply that everytime a fighter ends a fight with a strike or submission was lucky! It was lucky because it was in the dying minutes of the 5th and final round. That was basically the ONLY good thing Silva did the ENTIRE fight and it paid off. If he didn't slap that triangle on, he wouldn't be champion right now. Simple as that. He got so ing lucky by being able to slap that on in that last 2 minutes of the final round. Sonnen will have another shot and will win the next time. He simply made a "Fedor-like" error and it cost him. He will get another chance and rightfully so. I don't care if Silva won last night. Sonnen was the better fighter in losing than Silva was in winning. So by your logic, every guy who's losing and comes up big with a ko or sub is "lucky".
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Post by hammer on Aug 8, 2010 10:06:30 GMT -5
lucky my dick. yes, sonnen controlled 23 minutes of the fight. the fact of the matter is... silva caught him in a submission. SONNEN put himself in that position. luck aint poop. sonnen won 23 minutes of the fight, but silva won.. what, 10-20 seconds of them? and those were the only 10-20 that counted. yes, i agree outright that a rematch should be next for both of them, sorry vitor, but sometimes its better to be lucky than good, if we wanna sit here and say anderson was lucky. sonnen may have been the better fighter last night... but he was also the loser.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Aug 8, 2010 10:32:56 GMT -5
It's threads like these that keep me (and others) away from the MMA boards. Back to ignoring it again. Dude, I'm one of the massive MMA fans here, but I feel you there. I usually stay out of these threads because I can't stand the nonsense, arguing, and things like that either. I'm sorry so many members here have to be immature and ruin the thought of you or others chiming in. James Hetfield and I get into debates and things all the time, but unlike others, we do it respectfully and try our hardest to back up our opinions with facts, we do it for the fun of argument's sake, it's fun to talk as fans. Watch MMA all you want, but even I'd say stay out of these threads, as lame as that sounds.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Aug 8, 2010 11:03:30 GMT -5
Now here are my opinions on the card itself. Awesome card, awesome night. Last night was so much fun, I haven't had that much fun on a card in a good while. My girlfriend and my other friends that always come to my house for the fights had a great night as well. Dos Santos and Nelson KILLED it, what a beatdown of a fight that was. Much respect to Big Country for hanging in there. I don't think Arlovski, Lesnar, Fedor, or any other heavyweight eats those shots all night and doesn't go down (don't read that as DOS SANTOS IS BEST-ER THAN ALL OF EM, it's just praise for Roy's chin).Hughes vs. Almedia, wow, another awesome fight. I had Almeida by submission (choke) in the final minute of round 1 on Fantasy, and god damn, did Matt Hughes impress me. I made a comment in the beginning about how flat footed Matt looked in comparison to Ricardo, and it seemed like it was just a sad matter of time. Then BAM left hook, and that front headlock or whatever we want to call it Hughes put on was fabulous. Very impressed, and I was very happy to not hear Matt say "I want that belt!" I think he is looking realistically at his career and is in a more grounded Randy Couture state: give me some fights that are interesting while I can still go. And you know what, I'm cool with that. Guida vs. Dos Anjos: Hey, it was fun while it lasted. Struve vs. Morecraft was a ing brawl! I loved it. I was never too impressed with Struve's chin, but he looked good tonight. It's one of those things where you need to stop and think, "we've seen this guy get knocked out, what, 2 times?" The thing is, though, those losses were to Dos Santos, and Roy Nelson, 2 bad sons a bitches. Awesome fight, fun fight, kept the night rolling. Alves vs. Fitch went almost exactly the way I expected. I predicted that Thiago would gas half way through and Fitch might be able to put a choke on. Hey, I was close. Fitch dominated with his wrestling and didn't look helpless on the feet. Great night for Fitch, and went the dust settles, I'd like to see him get another title shot. Do I think he beats GSP? Hell no. But he has earned a title shot, and he deserves it. If GSP moves up in weight tomorrow, I think Fitch owns 170 pounds until he decides otherwise. What a main event! I was very confused through out most of this fight. In the first round, I didn't lose my cool when Silva's legs gave out for a second. I thought at the time that maybe he was playing, but that punch landed. Where my confusion came in was where Silva had absolutely NO take down defense. Let's get real for a second and say that Silva's takedown defense isn't elite. It's not even that good if I am being blunt. But there was literally no resistance what-so-ever, and there was no ground defense what-so-ever in that first round. Anderson put his chin on a platter on the ground in that opening frame, and let Chael tee off. At the end of the first round, I noticed Spider pointing to his ribs and recognized he was hurt. From that point on, it all became obvious. He must be hurt bad, because he had no head movement at all. Spider's bobbing and weaving are a major, major part of his game, and without it, he was a sitting duck. He was heavy on his feet, the agility was almost gone entirely, it was bad to watch. I picked Spider by triangle in this fight, and that was the end result. I am very glad that Silva won, mainly because it would be a damn shame if our most dominant fighter in the world lost his belt (and top P4P rank, and part of his legacy in some fan's minds) due to an injury. Chael will get a rematch, hopefully not immediately, but he will be back. And you know what? I'll be watching again. Here's my Fantasy results.
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Post by Lk™ on Aug 8, 2010 11:26:01 GMT -5
man, there better be a rematch. i'd still consider sonnen the most worthy opponent, but the spider is the champ.. and he showed why. it only takes one second. being the JDS fanboy that i am, i'm so glad he won.
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Post by BasedGod on Aug 8, 2010 12:43:32 GMT -5
So glad my boy Silva won, even if it was "lucky". You know, Sonnen isn't even the fastest nor the strongest striker either and he was catching him with those shots. Belfort is going to test him even more then Chael did.
I might get bashed here but lets be honest, Sonnen isn't even that great. Hes a good fighter dont get me wrong, but Silva has faced way better competition. IMO this just proved if Silva's opponent can come in confident as fukc and believe he can win, he can do some work. Remember Forrest? That fool was shi++ing bricks before the fight even started.
Mad props to Sonnen though for almost dethroning the King!
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Post by v/\v on Aug 8, 2010 13:31:54 GMT -5
That was a scary 23 minutes. Ecstatic he pulled the win out from nowhere.
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 8, 2010 14:21:44 GMT -5
Here's an interesting question...
Is Anderson Silva's WIN over Chael Sonnen more concerning, or Fedor's LOSS to Werdum?
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Post by 1992 on Aug 8, 2010 14:41:53 GMT -5
Here's the REAL question:
Is there a gif of Chael's dive, tuck, and roll from the first round when Silva grabbed his leg?
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Post by redypiper on Aug 8, 2010 14:54:06 GMT -5
Here's the REAL question: Is there a gif of Chael's dive, tuck, and roll from the first round when Silva grabbed his leg? that was awesome. couldn't believe it.
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Post by Greensborohill on Aug 8, 2010 14:57:06 GMT -5
Here's an interesting question... Is Anderson Silva's WIN over Chael Sonnen more concerning, or Fedor's LOSS to Werdum? I think so. He was dominated for 4+ rounds. Also, no reason for either man to get bashed on this day. Sonnen did everything he said he would do except win. Silva showed heart, decent ground defense, and ultimately stuck around long enough to pull the win. I'd like to hate on Silva right now, but I can't even do it. If he had lost I would be lmao, but I can't do anything but respect him today and respect Sonnen as well b/c I thought he was geting KTFO but he didn't. He showed up. And, so far, he's been classy in defeat.
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Post by 1992 on Aug 8, 2010 15:26:54 GMT -5
I'd also like to add... I mean...
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 8, 2010 16:25:20 GMT -5
I think it's just a shame that no one here REALLY knows the jiu jitsu game. Anderson was trying for that triangle THE WHOLE FIGHT. The Triangle Choke is a white belt technique, perfected when you're a blue belt. Anderson was looking for openings the entire time when Sonnen was leaving himself open. Sonnen just did a great job of posturing up and keeping position. Sonnen didn't even try to pass guard or anything.
There are no such things as A LUCKY SUBMISSION. Not with Leben, Werdum, or Anderson. They all train for these types of things and go in whenever they can. Lesnar gets praised for taking a beating and coming back to win, but when it comes to Anderson "HE GOT LUCKY"? Give me a break. I rag on Silva's fighting style all the time because he loves to wait for the other guy to do something and then he attacks, but last night showed his heart and his will to keep trying until the last minute for the triangle, which he was trying to do for the ENTIRE FIGHT, if you know exactly what BJJ is. Grow up, kids. This is fighting. Anything can happen, and almost nothing is "lucky".
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