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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Aug 8, 2010 17:00:10 GMT -5
^ Say what you want. I just think after getting his ass kicked for nearly all 5 rounds and with less than 2 minutes left on the clock in the final round, in my opinion, slapping on a triangle after not being able to, as you said for the ENTIRE FIGHT, is extremely lucky. I don't care what you say. If he didn't slap it on, he would NOT be champion right now. All there is to it. And I noticed you completely avoided my question and I know why. You were  ing dead wrong about Sonnen and you know it. You said it was laughable that people were actually picking him to win and look how it turned out. He pounded your pick into an oblivion for the majority of the fight and made a simple error and got caught. I was picking Sonnen to win and I certainly didn't think it was laughable. He did so well for himself, there's no question he should get an automatic rematch. NOBODY in the history of MMA was able to do to Anderson Silva what Chael Sonnen did last night and that speaks volumes. I don't give a flying what you say. |
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Post by Greensborohill on Aug 8, 2010 17:02:38 GMT -5
I think it's just a shame that no one here REALLY knows the jiu jitsu game. Anderson was trying for that triangle THE WHOLE FIGHT. The Triangle Choke is a white belt technique, perfected when you're a blue belt. Anderson was looking for openings the entire time when Sonnen was leaving himself open. Sonnen just did a great job of posturing up and keeping position. Sonnen didn't even try to pass guard or anything. There are no such things as A LUCKY SUBMISSION. Not with Leben, Werdum, or Anderson. They all train for these types of things and go in whenever they can. Lesnar gets praised for taking a beating and coming back to win, but when it comes to Anderson "HE GOT LUCKY"? Give me a break. I rag on Silva's fighting style all the time because he loves to wait for the other guy to do something and then he attacks, but last night showed his heart and his will to keep trying until the last minute for the triangle, which he was trying to do for the ENTIRE FIGHT, if you know exactly what BJJ is. Grow up, kids. This is fighting. Anything can happen, and almost nothing is "lucky". You're a f****** d*** & I hate you most of the time, but I totally agree with what you said. Like I said earlier, I can't even rag on Silva right now and I would love to right now. |
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 8, 2010 17:17:41 GMT -5
^ Say what you want. I just think after getting his ass kicked for nearly all 5 rounds and with less than 2 minutes left on the clock in the final round, in my opinion, slapping on a triangle after not being able to, as you said for the ENTIRE FIGHT, is extremely lucky. I don't care what you say. If he didn't slap it on, he would NOT be champion right now. All there is to it. And I noticed you completely avoided my question and I know why. You were ing dead wrong about Sonnen and you know it. You said it was laughable that people were actually picking him to win and look how it turned out. He pounded your pick into an oblivion for the majority of the fight and made a simple error and got caught. I was picking Sonnen to win and I certainly didn't think it was laughable. He did so well for himself, there's no question he should get an automatic rematch. NOBODY in the history of MMA was able to do to Anderson Silva what Chael Sonnen did last night and that speaks volumes. I don't give a flying what you say. You pick the underdog for practically every fight. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut every once in awhile. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 8, 2010 17:18:31 GMT -5
^ Say what you want. I just think after getting his ass kicked for nearly all 5 rounds and with less than 2 minutes left on the clock in the final round, in my opinion, slapping on a triangle after not being able to, as you said for the ENTIRE FIGHT, is extremely lucky. I don't care what you say. If he didn't slap it on, he would NOT be champion right now. All there is to it. And I noticed you completely avoided my question and I know why. You were ing dead wrong about Sonnen and you know it. You said it was laughable that people were actually picking him to win and look how it turned out. He pounded your pick into an oblivion for the majority of the fight and made a simple error and got caught. I was picking Sonnen to win and I certainly didn't think it was laughable. He did so well for himself, there's no question he should get an automatic rematch. NOBODY in the history of MMA was able to do to Anderson Silva what Chael Sonnen did last night and that speaks volumes. I don't give a flying what you say. I didn't avoid your question because my reply wasn't directed at you, dick. But yes, I was wrong about Sonnen having no chance. I expected to see more out of Silva and it just didn't happen. You were right, for once. Can't say much about your other times, but this time, you were right. Happy? |
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Aug 8, 2010 17:33:10 GMT -5
^ Not really. Because you've got to be a prick about it, be calling me names. Yeah, real mature buddy. You were dead wrong and I was right. But even when I'm right, you hate to admit it so much that you resort to name calling. Like I said, I don't give a flying what you say. Who's the dick now?? |
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 8, 2010 17:37:29 GMT -5
Hah, you're right. I'm the dick, sorry again, Mr. Old School. You're running the show.
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Post by HoganBai on Aug 8, 2010 18:51:25 GMT -5
...sooooooo, Junior Dos Santos to face the winner of Lesnar/Velasquez. That's cool.  |
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Post by 1992 on Aug 8, 2010 19:11:52 GMT -5
Seriously though....
Sonnen turn/tuck/roll gif? Anyone?
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Post by moocow on Aug 8, 2010 19:15:09 GMT -5
Seriously though.... Sonnen turn/tuck/roll gif? Anyone?  |
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Post by Mr. Orange on Aug 8, 2010 20:03:59 GMT -5
I keep seeing on a bunch of MMA websites and idiots on other message boards proclaiming Anderson Silva as "unbeatable", "It was his greatest fight", "Fhael Sonnen" and saying he proved he's the P4P King for good. They must have missed 22 minutes of the 23 minute fight or are in denial. He was clearly beaten and he barely eeked out the win. I honestly have no idea how getting your ass kicked the entire fight and barely eeking out a win makes you P4P king. GSP and Aldo should be up there now, not Silva. Silva's win was just as bad as Fedor's loss IMO.
Hell, Sherdog gave Anderson Silva's performance a "B" while Sonnen got a "C". So...... get your ass kicked, get a B. Prove to everyone you belong and own the champ like no one else gets you a C. Right.
Idiots.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Aug 8, 2010 20:21:18 GMT -5
Silva's win was just as bad as Fedor's loss IMO. That's basically what I said before. Sonnen was the better fighter last night in losing than Silva was in winning. |
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Aug 8, 2010 21:27:06 GMT -5
Funny how the only people hating on Silva and calling him "lucky" are the ones who wanted him to lose to begin with. There's no luck in MMA, not unless the guy takes himself out like I said before.
Anderson was visably going for the triangle the entire fight. I didn't realize it before but after James mentioned it, I went back and noticed that. Sonnen deserves ALOT of credit for taking it to the champ like no one else. But no one's giving Silva credit for anything. You don't get thumped on for four and a half rounds and pull out a submission win by getting lucky.
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Post by 1992 on Aug 8, 2010 21:31:30 GMT -5
Both men won.
Anderson Silva proved why he deserves to be called the best middle weight fight alive today, and proved he deserves everyone ounce of that gold he's been carrying around.
Chael Sonnen shut up MILLIONS of critics. Came into the fight as "just another victim", ran his mouth about how he would run over Silva, and dominated one of the greatest fighters of all time.
I'm EXTREMELY proud of both men for what they did, and have no hard feelings towards either for winning or loosing.
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Post by [x] TEXACIDE [x] on Aug 8, 2010 21:52:58 GMT -5
Chael did a great job last night and Anderson pulled off a nice submission just in time. I would love to see a rematch because I think it'd be a great fight again and I don't see anyone hanging in with Anderson like Chael did last night.
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Post by NYdream™ on Aug 8, 2010 21:54:34 GMT -5
It would be funny if Silva came out in a rematch and completly dominated Chael.. Im not saying it would happen or that I want it to. I want Anderson to lose the strap but Id just love to see what Mr Oldschool would say if Chael got KTFO'd in a rematch. It would prove all of his arguing on here pointles, haha. But that said I hope Chael dethrones Silva. He made a fan out of me. Im not jumping ship either I never liked Silva to begin with...
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Post by DWright on Aug 9, 2010 2:58:28 GMT -5
My god, this thread proves how many people actually watch MMA and how many just watch the UFC and TUF.
This is typical Chael Sonnen. He'll never be in the upper echelon of fighters. Not only is Sonnen EXTREMELY prone to submissions, he isn't a guy that is known for finishing a fight. Not even a fight he's winning.
If you've actually watched ANY of Sonnen's fights prior to his win against Marquardt, you can see that.
Perfect example:
Sonnen vs Paulo Filho 1.
This is when Filho was widely considered one of the top 5 fighters in the world. He was being discussed with names like Fedor, Shogun (pride Shogun), Silva, etc. This was prior, or even in the beginning stages of Filho's drug addiction.
Sonnen had Filho in trouble several times standing. He'd take him down, he'd beat him up, and then not finish. What happened? Filho caught him in an armbar, Sonnen verbally tapped and then acted as if he didn't do anything. Much like his attempt last night to say he didn't, when it was clear as day he did.
Even look at Sonnen vs Filho 2. Filho was CLEARLY on some sort of narcotic. Sonnen, instead of finishing a fighter who was looking into the crowd more often than not, played it safe and threw jabs that only scored points, instead of just finishing a fight that proved to be one of the most awkward fights in MMA history.
Chael Sonnen is a good, not great, fighter. Even look through his past history of fight results. This is a guy that's lost 8 times via submission, and obviously has no idea how to solve anyone with a solid JJ game. (especially Jeremy Horn)
Again, Sonnen is a great wrestler, with lackluster stand-up and a severely lacking submission defense. If he ever wants to become a champion at any level, he needs to learn to finish what he's started. He hasn't show ANY history of that. Thus the loss last night.
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Post by Hawks_NFC West Champions on Aug 9, 2010 3:58:02 GMT -5
Just rewatched the fight...Chael Sonnen got more out of that then Silva did. He is an amazing talent, and with how amazing that fight was, Dana/Lorenzo would be stupid to not give a rematch. The reason (I believe) Chael Sonnen did so well is that he realized Anderson is a human and didn't buy into the hype. People on here were asking if Sonnen believed his own bullshit...it's not bullcrapanymore, and yeah, he did back up everything he said. I said Sonnen would win, and in my eyes, he did just as well as winning. Heartbreaking loss.
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Post by sean™ on Aug 9, 2010 8:48:38 GMT -5
Was I impressed by Sonnen's performance? I sure was. Am I eating my words about him? To a certain extent, yes I am. I was wrong about him being effective.
With that being said, at the end of the night, he was not the winner. Doesn't matter how it happened, what round, or who was the better fighter before. And if I'm not mistaken, didn't Sonnen also win almost every round before being submitted when he fought for the WEC Middleweight title?
The sole reason it took Anderson almost 5 rounds to get his leg placed correctly was because Sonnen did a great job of keeping his posture, and keeping it almost chest to chest, outside of when he was taking shots. I kept telling people all night that he's just waiting. He is getting beat, that's correct, but he's just waiting. And once it got slapped on, I got to rub it in everyone's face.
One of the guys I was watching the PPV with thought that Silva was out in round 3 because his eyes were closed, which made me laugh for about 4 minutes. Good stuff.
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Post by Greensborohill on Aug 9, 2010 8:56:08 GMT -5
LUCK = Laboring Under the Correct Knowledge
So yeah, maybe Silva was "LUCKy", but it's only because he made his own damn luck.
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Post by Greensborohill on Aug 9, 2010 8:59:02 GMT -5
Also, did Sonnen have a sidechoke in the 5th round and give it up to go back to mount? Looked like it.
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