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Post by PJ on Aug 9, 2010 12:47:12 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken...the Mattel Legends Kamala has the same torso as the Dusty Rhodes. I don't have Kamala to compare but they do look similar...perhaps someone can shed some light on this *cough* PJ *cough* (lol) Yes they share the same torso...but Mattel never said they'd give everyone their own torso. (I don't think any company could afford that) Just like Jakks did Mattel has a core group of various parts.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 9, 2010 13:00:09 GMT -5
Chip, I didn't say Mattel is godly and can't make mistakes. My objection was to those Jakks fanboys claiming that Mattel is too cartoony - seriously!?! Mattel is the bigger company with bigger budget/marketing tools, but Jakks had a license for over 10 years and are still producing figures today like they produced in 2002 - where's the innovation? where's the evolution? I'd expect nothing less from Mattel than to improve on what has been done. You like both companies, that's fine, but how can you seriously sit there and accept inexcuseable figures like Team 3D? Jakks fans always talk about head-scans, great - but do you wrestle or display heads only? The head has to be attached to a body, and Mattel is making waves with body types and scales. When AJ Styles is noticing that Jakks forgot his knee pads on his action figure, doesn't that piss you off in the least? Why do you guys constantly forgive Jakks? Couldn't have said it better myself. Seriously though, no one takes into consideration that I WANT to collect TNA figures, but I don't want the kind of garbage Jakks produces. That's why I complain, I just want Jakks to make highly detailed, accurate, figures that in scale. Instead, what do we get? The same garbage we've been getting for years. The only difference, there's an alternative, a superior alternative. Mattel. When you compare Jakks TNA figures to Mattels WWE figures, there's a HUGE difference in detail, quality, and accessories. You'd think with Mattel producing such high quality figures, Jakks would step up their game. But no, they didn't even bother to make new molds for their TNA line. Also, their DI Series 1 Jeff Jarrett is identical to their CTL Series 1 Jeff Jarrett. Are you kidding me? Mattel is up to Basic Series 6, Elite Series 6, and Two Packs Series 6 and not one single re-release, repaints yes, but no two figures are alike in their main figure series. And they're already on series 6, not even past the first series, Jakks is already releasing two identical figures. This is ing ridiculous, it's like Jakks doesn't even care and have no interest in improving. That's what pisses me off, and that's why I'm constantly praising Mattel and bashing Jakks. Until Jakks decides to finally step up their game, I will continue to criticize them, which I have every right to do.
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Post by Bandalero on Aug 9, 2010 13:09:53 GMT -5
oh and if one toy company is making TNA wrestlers and another toy company is making WWE wrestlers - I'd say that's direct competition. Yes it's two different federations, but it's the same target market, same manufacturing resources, same distribution channels. Don't kid yourself that WWE and TNA are not direct competitors - they're in the same damn industry producing the same product/merchandise!
Which further highlights how Jakks haven't stepped up their game to compete. Small company? They had WWE behind them for 10+ years, didn't they make any kind of profit? Couldn't they invest in more tooling? What did they do for the last 10+ years? Mattel showcased Legends 3 & 4, Jakks wasn't even in the building, and their LOTR sereis 1 has been pushed back further. I love Sting, but even his name can't save them. Now I see why WWE sent them home.
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Post by Chip on Aug 9, 2010 14:04:06 GMT -5
ok...so we've moved on from Kamala because I already made good points there...
now....re-releases.
Jakks is re-releasing 2 figures in their first 7 series (4 Impact, 3 Cross The Line) it's Jeff Jarrett & Samoa Joe. It's REALLY not that big of a deal. Those are two of the biggest names in TNA...obviously they want them in their first set. The 2 packs coming out are based on feuds/matches. So who cares? Jakks has had plenty of re-releases and Mattel will too. Mattel is re-releasing the Elimination Chamber McIntyre 3 times, and the Survivor Series Undertaker again...etc. It's really NOT a big deal.
Maybe if you felt like going back, I've pretty much "reviewed" every set since I signed up here. I have opinions on every wrestling figure that is released, that I care about. The Jakks "Team 3D" figures look ridiculous. Well, D-Von is alright, but Bubba is atrocious. So guess what? I WON'T BUY IT. Jakks made plenty of new parts through their 10 years. PLENTY. I feel like lining them all up to take pictures, because there are ALOT. Now they don't HAVE to make new parts, when they already have what works for them. We don't know what goes on in that company...we don't know how much budget they have, we don't know who makes the decisions. Yes, some of the arms are a little big...some of the heads look at little big...but it's really not THAT big of a deal, because they all GO TOGETHER.
I'm tired of people saying "der Rey izz as tall as Undertaker!!" Show me a Jakks Rey, and stand him next to an Undertaker...they are NOT the same height. The Mattel Rey is TOO small in the torso & arms. His height is perfect.
Mattel is doing a great job with the WWE line. Jakks is doing a great job with TNA. Would you rather have Toybiz or some jobber company producing small, oddly shaped, horrid looking TNA figures?
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Post by popyduggan on Aug 9, 2010 14:15:36 GMT -5
Word on the street is that Jakks is a b*tch.
Honestly though, I would love a Hulkster vs. Suicide 2 pack.
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Post by DG on Aug 9, 2010 14:21:38 GMT -5
If anyone thinks Jakks is better, just compare the Ted Jr. figures and then tell me Jakks is better
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Post by ¡Twist Of Cinnamon! on Aug 9, 2010 14:35:21 GMT -5
If anyone thinks Jakks is better, just compare the Ted Jr. figures and then tell me Jakks is better I like Mattel more than Jakks but saying which company is better based off ONE wrestler is ridiculous.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 9, 2010 14:39:04 GMT -5
Would you rather have Toybiz or some jobber company producing small, oddly shaped, horrid looking TNA figures? Hell yes. For all the faults of the Toybiz TNA line, it's still far better than Jakks' bloated, undetailed, oddly shaped, horrid looking TNA figures. Toybiz at least understood that Kevin Nash was bigger than the other guys.
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Post by Road Warriors on Aug 9, 2010 14:52:38 GMT -5
Forget about Lawler. Why didn't you walk away with the IWGP title belts.
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Post by Chip on Aug 9, 2010 14:53:44 GMT -5
Would you rather have Toybiz or some jobber company producing small, oddly shaped, horrid looking TNA figures? Hell yes. For all the faults of the Toybiz TNA line, it's still far better than Jakks' bloated, undetailed, oddly shaped, horrid looking TNA figures. Toybiz at least understood that Kevin Nash was bigger than the other guys. you gotta be kidding... the Toybiz TNA line of figures was HORRENDOUS. Awful cartoony, disproportioned bodies...gross looking scans, mishapen heads. It's no surprise that company died a very fast death with the TNA figures. Hasbro WWF was more exciting...and nobody complained that those were all the same height...how about TTLs or BCAs? LJNs? and those are some of the most highly reveared lines by us older collectors. They were all pretty much the same heights. Jakks paid plenty of attention to height. I'll line up 10 different wrestlers with 10 different heights. They aren't perfect, but why does everyone NEED perfection all of a sudden? and again I will say, Mattel is NOT perfect either. Jakks has plenty of details in the TNA line. I haven't seen one thing besides Sting's red "spots" instead of textured pads...that's been really cheaped out. They aren't oddly shaped either, they are shaped like humans with large chests & muscles. Take a look at the Mattel Batista/HHH thighs...those are body builder posing thighs...not wrestler wrestling thighs. They are too ripped. Some Jakks parts are slightly exaggerated, but some aren't. There are 3 types of biceps...one of them is too large, the others are fine with the scale of the DA figures. The "snow boots" suck...but the tall kickers are fine, as are the regular laced DA boots. Their chests are all very similar, but really? does it matter THAT much? do you really want to not buy a figure of Sting because his chest is "too muscular"...that is just going WAAAAYYY too deep into a plastic toy of a wrestler.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Aug 9, 2010 14:54:30 GMT -5
Also, you've struck my interest in something....how the F does a figure feel realistic? It doesnt feel anything like skin and I dont think.....at least I hope, you havent been rubbing up on wrestlers to see what their muscle tone feels like. Fun Fact - Jakks actually made a series of dolls called G.I.R.L. Force that had life like bodies, including feel. They latter cancelled the line do to complaints from parents for being too real. Since Jakks was making the WWE figures at the time(1999-2000) I decided to further support them by buying one for my niece. It was almost a "Real Doll" for little girls. With the exception of the crotch piece, the entire thing was "flesh". I think the biggest complaint from parents were the boobs. They had nipples and felt real(as real as you can get in doll). Here's a picture of one from ebay - cgi.EBAY LINK NOT ALLOWED/Pretty-Jakks-Pacific-Dark-Hair-Doll-W-Life-Like-Body-/150474956453?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2 That looks like Melina .
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Post by Chip on Aug 9, 2010 15:00:23 GMT -5
and for those constantly bitching about "scale"
and correct me if I'm wrong...
Mattel's Legend's Stone Cold Steve Austin is taller than the Legends Hawk, when in real life...Austin is 6'2 while Hawk is 6'3
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Post by PJ on Aug 9, 2010 15:03:29 GMT -5
Hell yes. For all the faults of the Toybiz TNA line, it's still far better than Jakks' bloated, undetailed, oddly shaped, horrid looking TNA figures. Toybiz at least understood that Kevin Nash was bigger than the other guys. you gotta be kidding... the Toybiz TNA line of figures was HORRENDOUS. Awful cartoony, disproportioned bodies...gross looking scans, mishapen heads. It's no surprise that company died a very fast death with the TNA figures. Hasbro WWF was more exciting...and nobody complained that those were all the same height...how about TTLs or BCAs? LJNs? and those are some of the most highly reveared lines by us older collectors. They were all pretty much the same heights. Jakks paid plenty of attention to height. I'll line up 10 different wrestlers with 10 different heights. They aren't perfect, but why does everyone NEED perfection all of a sudden? and again I will say, Mattel is NOT perfect either. Jakks has plenty of details in the TNA line. I haven't seen one thing besides Sting's red "spots" instead of textured pads...that's been really cheaped out. They aren't oddly shaped either, they are shaped like humans with large chests & muscles. Take a look at the Mattel Batista/HHH thighs...those are body builder posing thighs...not wrestler wrestling thighs. They are too ripped. Some Jakks parts are slightly exaggerated, but some aren't. There are 3 types of biceps...one of them is too large, the others are fine with the scale of the DA figures. The "snow boots" suck...but the tall kickers are fine, as are the regular laced DA boots. Their chests are all very similar, but really? does it matter THAT much? do you really want to not buy a figure of Sting because his chest is "too muscular"...that is just going WAAAAYYY too deep into a plastic toy of a wrestler. Besides the scale issues they've always had the problem with Jakks is they use the wrong parts when they have the correct ones to choose from. With the WWE I hated when Jakks gave laced boots for guys like LOD or HBK who didn't wear laced boots. with TNA it's using the "snow boots" for Scott Steiner and printing half the boot logo on his shins instead of using the tall kickers that they had used on the proto. Or painting laces on Shakboys boots instead of using laced boots. Those are the problems I have with Jakks. But I still liked them enough to buy tons of CS figures over the years. And while I presonally like the Mattel figures a hell of a lot more that doesn't make me like my CS collection any less. I'm still glad I purchased them and I still display them on my shelves.
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Post by Chip on Aug 9, 2010 15:30:15 GMT -5
Besides the scale issues they've always had the problem with Jakks is they use the wrong parts when they have the correct ones to choose from. With the WWE I hated when Jakks gave laced boots for guys like LOD or HBK who didn't wear laced boots. with TNA it's using the "snow boots" for Scott Steiner and printing half the boot logo on his shins instead of using the tall kickers that they had used on the proto. Or painting laces on Shakboys boots instead of using laced boots. Those are the problems I have with Jakks. But I still liked them enough to buy tons of CS figures over the years. And while I presonally like the Mattel figures a hell of a lot more that doesn't make me like my CS collection any less. I'm still glad I purchased them and I still display them on my shelves. THAT is the biggest and most complete valid complaint with Jakks. Their figures could have and would have been fine if the people who apparently assemble them actually watched wrestling. What never makes sense is how they create the protos with the proper parts, but the final product has changes to something most inaccurate. It seems like the boots are the worst sufferers of bad part selection.
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Post by Mr. #1derful 🇵🇸 on Aug 9, 2010 15:34:48 GMT -5
Oh....one last thing, I saw Tony Atlas buy his own figure....he said he never had one-and Highspots was too cheap to give him one.....made him buy it! That's just wrong.
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Post by Wagdaddy on Aug 9, 2010 15:34:55 GMT -5
I promise it was not my intention to start another Jakks vs. Mattel on-line war.......although I will say that at least within the threads of this post, I felt positions on both sides were defended incredibly well and while there has been disagreements, at least most of the points were meant to be meaningful instead of antagonistic.
I just felt is strange that at a large, three day event such as the NWA Wrestling Convention, one could NOT find a single Mattel fig to buy or trade for.......like I stated earlier-if someone else would have posted it-I doubted I would have believed it since I have attended said convention every year and know some of the dealers and the overall magnitude of the event.
Next year, when the Macho Man hits the convention circuit, I will guarantee anyone will be to find at least some Mattel wrestling figs then. That was one thing that most every one agreed on....that Savage will hit the road and begin doing some conventions.....first it was Bret Hart, then Flair-this year it was Sting. A very cool way to pickup '20 LARGE' in an afternoon of signing & posing for pix.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 9, 2010 15:35:53 GMT -5
and for those constantly bitching about "scale" and correct me if I'm wrong... Mattel's Legend's Stone Cold Steve Austin is taller than the Legends Hawk, when in real life...Austin is 6'2 while Hawk is 6'3 Lol, that's really not that big of a difference. Now your just nitpicking, because that's a very insignificant detail. When you have a Rey Mysterio the same size as Undertaker, then you know something is wrong. If Austin was 5'2 and Hawk was 6'2 and Austin was taller than Hawk, then maybe there would be something to complain about. I'm sorry, but nothing you or anybody says will convince me that Jakks is doing a good job. They're not, they're awful, unprofessional, and cheap. When I collected Jakks figures, I always was disappointed and always complained about their lack of detail and inaccuracies. I've yet to find anything to complain about with Mattel's figures.
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Post by carly1988 on Aug 9, 2010 15:40:46 GMT -5
I can fully understand how people dont like the Mattel figures. Its and NWA convention and NWA is signed by Jakks. That should be thought #1. The other is that Mattel figures still look cartoony. Its being a dead horse over and over that you can like what you want but Ive noticed from taking to older people that they feel Mattel figures look like cartoons. If it's beating a dead horse, why are you coming in here and making stupid comments like this? You are the worst troll on this board.
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Post by Chip on Aug 9, 2010 17:28:10 GMT -5
we definitley know you didn't create the thread to continue the war, wagdaddy...but im noticing more and more, people just can't help themselves. I'm ENDING something right now... no one on this board can EVER again say the statement "Rey Mysterio is the same size as Undertaker" when referring to Jakks figures... and I have to remit a previous statement...I just matched up the Legends Austin & Hawk and they are actually the same height. I was fooled by a little depth perception. Mattel has done a fine job of creating the right heights on their WWE figures and Legends. I'm sure the biggest part of the reason is the fact that they have quite a large amount of money to be able to make many different upper leg molds to make certain superstars taller or shorter...where as Jakks had to stick with 1-2 typical designs for thighs. Talking about nitpicking? 90% of all complaints about figures on this board are complete nitpicks "rey mysterio doesnt have his current tattoo" "cm punk's tattoos are not color" "____ is missing ____ on his boot" All I ever read from Jakks haters are "rey is as tall as undertaker, balloon heads, balloon arms"
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 9, 2010 17:35:20 GMT -5
the Toybiz TNA line of figures was HORRENDOUS. Awful cartoony, disproportioned bodies...gross looking scans, mishapen heads. It's no surprise that company died a very fast death with the TNA figures. For the most part, I agree with that. But they were still better than the Jakks figures that have Kevin Nash and Amazing Red the same size, and give them both bulging Hogan-esque biceps. Jakks also use awful cartoony, disproportioned bodies. The Jakks ones don't look like weird Frankenstein creatures like the Toybiz ones do, but their steroid mannequin bodies are so terribly proportioned and scaled to each other that they are even worse. Nostalgia. If a company was putting out wrestling figures now in the style of TTLs, BCAs, LJNs and Hasbros, people would crap all over them. The reason we still think of them fondly is because of their place in history, not because we think a BCA figure is excellent figure-making in 2010. If people were still impressed by these style of figures, the Havoc Unleashed and Backlash lines would've been more popular on here. Nobody's asking for perfection. But some attention to detail would be nice, and Mattel has shown that it isn't impossible. Jakks paid no attention to height other than making Rey Mysterio a fingertip shorter and Khali/Big Show a little bigger. But considering the Undertaker/Paul Bearer two-pack, the current Samoa Joe and Mick Foley figures, and pretty much the entire Jakks output of the last fourteen years, I'm pretty sure you're just joking when you say "Jakks paid plenty of attention to height" anyway. Correct. The rest are wildly exaggerated. Unless there's just something wrong with every TV and computer screen I've ever seen, and Jeff Hardy and AJ Styles do have Rob Terry physiques. I don't want to buy a Sting figure because a) I'm not a huge fan of the guy, and b) I have no interest in having a Sting figure that's pretty much the same size and proportion as a Jeff Hardy, Undertaker, Hulk Hogan, Randy Orton and Kevin Nash figure. I'd choose the Toybiz Sting over the Jakks Sting every day of the week, but ultimately, I'll probably hold off on Sting until Mattel makes a Legends figure of him some day far-off in the future.
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