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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 24, 2010 1:22:57 GMT -5
yeah Leben takes WAYYYYY to many shots to the chin. It pisses me off that he doesn't cover up more or use more head movement. It is nice to know he can take a solid shot to the chin but there are only so many times you can get punched like that without getting KTFO. Leben has a great chin, yes, but he needs to stop. He came VERY  ing close to being finished by Akiyama. |
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Post by Hawks_NFC West Champions on Aug 24, 2010 1:24:51 GMT -5
Leben still isn't up there. The win over Akiyama was huge, but he needs a few more big ones to move up the ladder. Agreed completely. I'd book Bisping/Leben. But Bisping is facing Akiyama so that kinda goes out the door. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 24, 2010 1:31:23 GMT -5
And Bisping has already beaten him.
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Post by Sandy on Aug 24, 2010 1:47:01 GMT -5
I think Leben can beat Bisping though. I hate Bisping. Dude is terribly overrated.
Have Bisping fight Belcher. So Belcher can beat his ass and finally get some attention and Bisping can forever headline UFN's.
come to think of it I would love to see Belcher vs. Leben.
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Post by sonofanarchy on Aug 24, 2010 9:14:13 GMT -5
Lets assume Bisping wins his next fight. Have bisping fight Belcher, with the winner fighting Leben. If Akiyama wins though that s things up. I would have him fight Allen again though, IMO Allen was robbed in their first fight. |
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Post by sean™ on Aug 24, 2010 9:15:55 GMT -5
What the with all the rematches? |
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Post by sonofanarchy on Aug 24, 2010 9:23:43 GMT -5
What the with all the rematches? Well, when you only have a few core group of guys that are top contenders but already fought rematches will happen. Nature of the beast I suppose. |
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Post by sean™ on Aug 24, 2010 10:04:00 GMT -5
Why not just have Belfort fight? I understand that he doesn't "want to wait" for Silva, but if the fight could possibly take place around New Years, that's just 4 months. Despite how long he's been out, I'd gladly wait an additional 4 months for a title shot.
While I see the dollar signs that UFC is probably seeing, we just saw this fight. And I honestly didn't even think it was that great of a fight. The opening minute of each round had a majority of the action, outside the final 1:30 of the final round. By the 4:00 mark of almost each round, Silva was on the ground with Sonnen not doing a great deal to advance in position.
I know I'm going to end up watching it regardless, just kind of disappointing. I'll still pull for Silva. I've already given Sonnen his due, but I still think Silva's injury played a great deal into Sonnen's domination.
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Post by Bartman on Aug 24, 2010 11:28:42 GMT -5
Why not just have Belfort fight? I understand that he doesn't "want to wait" for Silva, but if the fight could possibly take place around New Years, that's just 4 months. Despite how long he's been out, I'd gladly wait an additional 4 months for a title shot. Vitor is most likely assuming the worst, as he should, and that would be possibily fighting Silva in February if he waited for the title shot. A possible 17 month layoff is just too much for anyone, especially considering it's a fight against Anderson Silva and for the Middleweight Title. Sonnen getting the rematch is the best decision as in how things work out. Not to mention it'll be a huge money maker, but no one is denying that. |
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Post by sonofanarchy on Aug 24, 2010 11:44:27 GMT -5
Why not just have Belfort fight? I understand that he doesn't "want to wait" for Silva, but if the fight could possibly take place around New Years, that's just 4 months. Despite how long he's been out, I'd gladly wait an additional 4 months for a title shot. While I see the dollar signs that UFC is probably seeing, we just saw this fight. And I honestly didn't even think it was that great of a fight. The opening minute of each round had a majority of the action, outside the final 1:30 of the final round. By the 4:00 mark of almost each round, Silva was on the ground with Sonnen not doing a great deal to advance in position. I know I'm going to end up watching it regardless, just kind of disappointing. I'll still pull for Silva. I've already given Sonnen his due, but I still think Silva's injury played a great deal into Sonnen's domination. Problem with Vitor is, as I understand it Sonnen is still the number one contender, not Vitor. I think the injury might have played a little something into it. Point blank thought Silva was outclassed that night. Ohhh my ribs... how many fighters step into the cage at 100%? Do not let it fool you, crying injury is a Tito thing, and a cop oout. |
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Post by HHH316 on Aug 24, 2010 12:32:04 GMT -5
Belfort/Sonnen I thought made the most sense. Guess not.
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Post by K5 on Aug 24, 2010 12:46:25 GMT -5
bleh, not overly interested in this rematch. silva will win, with less struggle than his last bout (imo).
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Post by sonofanarchy on Aug 24, 2010 12:48:13 GMT -5
Belfort/Sonnen I thought made the most sense. Guess not. Not if Sonnen is still the number one contender. |
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Post by sean™ on Aug 24, 2010 12:58:44 GMT -5
How is Sonnen still the number one contender? In almost any sport, the number one contender gets his shot. If he wins, he's the champion. If he loses, he's no longer the number one contender.
Given that some reports have stated Anderson would be out until at least 2011, why not go with Vitor vs Chael? With Sonnen's mouth, and his performance against Silva, he would have a field day hyping this fight. Not to mention Belfort's hype being one of the reasons for his "title shot". That would be a money maker, as well as fight for Vitor without waiting longer, and a fight for Chael to regain the number one contender spot.
Outclassed or not, Chael couldn't finish the job. He spent over 90% of the time landing offensive shots, to which only 25% of his ground shots didn't land. As good as he looked, how the hell do you spend 23 minutes dominating someone, and yet can't finish the fight? The only time Sonnen got to dominate positions was against the cage, or when Silva was trying to get out. A world class wrestler can take down someone almost as will, but couldn't get to a better position? Didn't he almost have back mount at one point?
All I'm saying is that the people speaking volumes about what Chael did, should also take an objective look at what he didn't do. Even if Silva is simply hiding behind the injury, and really couldn't get the advantage in the fight, he was still able to actually finish it.
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Post by sonofanarchy on Aug 24, 2010 13:05:13 GMT -5
How is Sonnen still the number one contender? In almost any sport, the number one contender gets his shot. If he wins, he's the champion. If he loses, he's no longer the number one contender. Given that some reports have stated Anderson would be out until at least 2011, why not go with Vitor vs Chael? With Sonnen's mouth, and his performance against Silva, he would have a field day hyping this fight. Not to mention Belfort's hype being one of the reasons for his "title shot". That would be a money maker, as well as fight for Vitor without waiting longer, and a fight for Chael to regain the number one contender spot. Outclassed or not, Chael couldn't finish the job. He spent over 90% of the time landing offensive shots, to which only 25% of his ground shots didn't land. As good as he looked, how the hell do you spend 23 minutes dominating someone, and yet can't finish the fight? The only time Sonnen got to dominate positions was against the cage, or when Silva was trying to get out. A world class wrestler can take down someone almost as will, but couldn't get to a better position? Didn't he almost have back mount at one point? All I'm saying is that the people speaking volumes about what Chael did, should also take an objective look at what he didn't do. Even if Silva is simply hiding behind the injury, and really couldn't get the advantage in the fight, he was still able to actually finish it. Maybe Chale was pulling a Jon Fitch and grinding out a W. I dunno, thats what I think though. That is fine bt Virtue of a loss he should not have been number one contender. IF that is the case Penn should not get a rematch, which I do not mind as I personally dislike Penn. Rua should not have had a rematch with Loyoto. Finish or no finish it needs to be the same for every scenario. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 24, 2010 13:05:21 GMT -5
Belcher is probably out for a VERY long time. Dare I say his career may be over.
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Post by therealdealbookr on Aug 24, 2010 14:54:21 GMT -5
this is hilarious..why does Leben deserve a rematch after this "maybe he should go back to Japan where the competition is easier" maybe you should go back to fighting doors and windows buddy.
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 24, 2010 15:18:53 GMT -5
This was back when Anderson wasn't really known. Fighters talk sh*t all the time.
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Post by therealdealbookr on Aug 24, 2010 15:29:26 GMT -5
This was back when Anderson wasn't really known. Fighters talk sh*t all the time. I don't know, I remember you getting pretty angry at what Toney was saying. |
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Post by therealdealbookr on Aug 24, 2010 15:32:51 GMT -5
How is Sonnen still the number one contender? In almost any sport, the number one contender gets his shot. If he wins, he's the champion. If he loses, he's no longer the number one contender. Given that some reports have stated Anderson would be out until at least 2011, why not go with Vitor vs Chael? With Sonnen's mouth, and his performance against Silva, he would have a field day hyping this fight. Not to mention Belfort's hype being one of the reasons for his "title shot". That would be a money maker, as well as fight for Vitor without waiting longer, and a fight for Chael to regain the number one contender spot. Outclassed or not, Chael couldn't finish the job. He spent over 90% of the time landing offensive shots, to which only 25% of his ground shots didn't land. As good as he looked, how the hell do you spend 23 minutes dominating someone, and yet can't finish the fight? The only time Sonnen got to dominate positions was against the cage, or when Silva was trying to get out. A world class wrestler can take down someone almost as will, but couldn't get to a better position? Didn't he almost have back mount at one point? All I'm saying is that the people speaking volumes about what Chael did, should also take an objective look at what he didn't do. Even if Silva is simply hiding behind the injury, and really couldn't get the advantage in the fight, he was still able to actually finish it. Maybe Chale was pulling a Jon Fitch and grinding out a W. I dunno, thats what I think though. That is fine bt Virtue of a loss he should not have been number one contender. IF that is the case Penn should not get a rematch, which I do not mind as I personally dislike Penn. Rua should not have had a rematch with Loyoto. Finish or no finish it needs to be the same for every scenario. Rua should have gotten a rematch. The decision from the first fight was intellectually- disabled. Even Lyoto admitted it. |
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