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Post by Bartman on Aug 24, 2010 15:41:57 GMT -5
As a fan, I would prefer to see Sonnen/Belfort in Novermber, but if you look at the UFC's perspective, this is the best way to go. Sonnen/Belfort not only risks the big-money Sonnen/Silva rematch, but if Vitor were to lose, that would push him even further away from the title. Considering Silva has wiped the Middleweight Division clean for the most part, it makes more sense financially, to have the Sonnen/Silva rematch right away, and have Vitor(hopefully) right behind them. I say hopefully since there is always the chance that Vitor may lose come November.
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Post by sean™ on Aug 24, 2010 15:48:22 GMT -5
So what happens to Vitor? He just sits on the shelf even longer? The rest of the top middleweight contendors have fights within the next couple of months.
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Post by Bartman on Aug 24, 2010 15:50:43 GMT -5
Vitor/Okami.
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Post by sean™ on Aug 24, 2010 16:01:48 GMT -5
I guess I'm just stubborn in the belief that in no way is Sonnen entitled to an automatic rematch, nor has Belfort done anything to warrent a title shot in the first place, so a match-up between the two would settle both.
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 24, 2010 16:47:58 GMT -5
Belfort has already said he will be fighting in November, but not for the title.
The more I think of this Silva/Sonnen rematch, the more I believe that the rematch WILL favor Silva more. He was hurt in the first one and will probably make the necessary adjustments. But, crazier things have happened, so you never know.
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 24, 2010 16:49:07 GMT -5
This was back when Anderson wasn't really known. Fighters talk sh*t all the time. I don't know, I remember you getting pretty angry at what Toney was saying. Toney has been saying this stuff for almost 2 years now, and I honestly think he believes it, along with many other boxers. Leben just didn't know the monster that he was against. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 24, 2010 16:49:50 GMT -5
How is Sonnen still the number one contender? In almost any sport, the number one contender gets his shot. If he wins, he's the champion. If he loses, he's no longer the number one contender. Given that some reports have stated Anderson would be out until at least 2011, why not go with Vitor vs Chael? With Sonnen's mouth, and his performance against Silva, he would have a field day hyping this fight. Not to mention Belfort's hype being one of the reasons for his "title shot". That would be a money maker, as well as fight for Vitor without waiting longer, and a fight for Chael to regain the number one contender spot. Outclassed or not, Chael couldn't finish the job. He spent over 90% of the time landing offensive shots, to which only 25% of his ground shots didn't land. As good as he looked, how the hell do you spend 23 minutes dominating someone, and yet can't finish the fight? The only time Sonnen got to dominate positions was against the cage, or when Silva was trying to get out. A world class wrestler can take down someone almost as will, but couldn't get to a better position? Didn't he almost have back mount at one point? All I'm saying is that the people speaking volumes about what Chael did, should also take an objective look at what he didn't do. Even if Silva is simply hiding behind the injury, and really couldn't get the advantage in the fight, he was still able to actually finish it. Maybe Chale was pulling a Jon Fitch and grinding out a W. I dunno, thats what I think though. That is fine bt Virtue of a loss he should not have been number one contender. IF that is the case Penn should not get a rematch, which I do not mind as I personally dislike Penn. Rua should not have had a rematch with Loyoto. Finish or no finish it needs to be the same for every scenario. Both Penn's and Shogun's fights were very, very close. Those rematches were necessary. |
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Post by sean™ on Aug 24, 2010 17:10:34 GMT -5
Obviously, this is all speculation depending on Silva's recovery. Unfortunatly, the masses will get what they want, and a rematch is bound to happen with Belfort's apparent fight in November.
I think the general thought will be that a rematch favors Silva, but there will be just as many that say Sonnen took control, injury or not. At the end of the day, I'd be willing to be that Sonnen is working like hell on posturing up and keeping out of submissions. Silva on the other hand.....I don't know. I couldn't tell what was injury related or not. It just legit didn't seem like an Anderson Silva fight. I suppose that's more of the reason than any why I place a lot of cause into the injury.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2010 17:31:50 GMT -5
Wow...
I was thinking Sonnen/Belfort too, like a lot of others, but a rematch between Sonnen/Silva seems more than a tad askew...
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 24, 2010 18:07:03 GMT -5
Obviously, this is all speculation depending on Silva's recovery. Unfortunatly, the masses will get what they want, and a rematch is bound to happen with Belfort's apparent fight in November. I think the general thought will be that a rematch favors Silva, but there will be just as many that say Sonnen took control, injury or not. At the end of the day, I'd be willing to be that Sonnen is working like hell on posturing up and keeping out of submissions. Silva on the other hand.....I don't know. I couldn't tell what was injury related or not. It just legit didn't seem like an Anderson Silva fight. I suppose that's more of the reason than any why I place a lot of cause into the injury. His timing was WAYYYY off. I think it's obvious he was hurt. |
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Post by sonofanarchy on Aug 24, 2010 18:46:33 GMT -5
Maybe Chale was pulling a Jon Fitch and grinding out a W. I dunno, thats what I think though. That is fine bt Virtue of a loss he should not have been number one contender. IF that is the case Penn should not get a rematch, which I do not mind as I personally dislike Penn. Rua should not have had a rematch with Loyoto. Finish or no finish it needs to be the same for every scenario. Both Penn's and Shogun's fights were very, very close. Those rematches were necessary. They still lost though is my point. For the record I am all for the rematches I love Shogun... Penn could go away for all I care though. |
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Post by therealdealbookr on Aug 24, 2010 19:28:04 GMT -5
Rua won his rematch. And he should have won the original one too.
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Post by sonofanarchy on Aug 24, 2010 19:37:44 GMT -5
Rua won his rematch. And he should have won the original one too. I agree having just seen the match. I have no idea what fight those judges were watching. |
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Post by the hell demon on Aug 25, 2010 6:09:39 GMT -5
Sonnen shouldn't get an immediate rematch.
He clearly lost and it's not up for debate ala Penn/Edgar, Lyoto/Rua(1).
Dana must really want the belt of Anderson if this is the case.
Anderson will sub Chael even quicker in a rematch. Sonnen has horrible sub defense.
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Post by ville on Aug 25, 2010 9:00:50 GMT -5
I don't know, I remember you getting pretty angry at what Toney was saying. Toney has been saying this stuff for almost 2 years now, and I honestly think he believes it, along with many other boxers. Leben just didn't know the monster that he was against. Toney was also talking crapabout the sport. |
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Post by sean™ on Aug 25, 2010 10:31:47 GMT -5
I think the main reason I'd lean towards Silva, provided he is healthy and ready to go, is the amount of strikes vs the damage they did.
Sonnen landed 289 strikes throughout the entire fight, with 260 of them being on the ground. Silva landed 29 strikes thoughout the entire fight. And it doesn't take a MMA expert to see that Silva's strikes not only did more visable damage, but even Sonnen himself said that the kick to the stomach was "the hardest kick he'd ever recieved".
So you take an up to speed Silva, with no injury to limit his movement, combined with the power behind the strikes and the accuracy as well. Is there still a great chance of Silva being taken down and spend most of the fight on his back again? Of course, but logic is pointing towards Sonnen having a much harder time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 13:54:08 GMT -5
Belfort lost this fight imo due to his refusal to fight oversea's.
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 25, 2010 14:01:12 GMT -5
Refusal? He got injured.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 14:05:01 GMT -5
Vitor isn't injured... I'm talking currently |
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 25, 2010 14:12:28 GMT -5
He was going to fight overseas to fight Silva. I don't see a problem. If UFC wants him to be on the Germany card, he'll be on it.
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