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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 4, 2010 17:08:06 GMT -5
If you think the laws are preposterous then go have them changed. Don't just break them and get pissed when you get punished for breaking the law.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 4, 2010 17:12:20 GMT -5
Well obviously a lot of laws need to be changed.
In my opinion, pretty much every law should be overturned that doesn't have an effect on other people. But as you know, I'm a "crack pot liberal."
What I don't understand is how I can have Amish people living in a community by me who basically live in this same situation, but with children, and that's somehow okay. That would have a much bigger effect on my property value than one random guy does -- if I cared.
I would gladly take a hit to my property value to have an increase in personal liberty.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 4, 2010 17:41:04 GMT -5
Neither one of us have seen this guys property. For all we know it's got 3 foot tall grass that's a breeding ground for mosquitos and he's living in squalor. The Amish don't live that way. Besides there is the religious angle there as well.
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Post by pedigree619 on Dec 4, 2010 18:11:21 GMT -5
Neither one of us have seen this guys property. For all we know it's got 3 foot tall grass that's a breeding ground for mosquitos and he's living in squalor. The Amish don't live that way. Besides there is the religious angle there as well. There aren't different laws for different religions. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 4, 2010 18:27:12 GMT -5
There are different laws for different municipalities and municipalities who have high concentrations of Amish people have different laws. This guy clearly violated the laws of the county he's living in. He's living in a small RV with no sanitation and no electricity. He's in violation of the law. I don't understand why you all think the government should just not enforce the law.
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Post by pedigree619 on Dec 4, 2010 18:32:48 GMT -5
There are different laws for different municipalities and municipalities who have high concentrations of Amish people have different laws. This guy clearly violated the laws of the county he's living in. He's living in a small RV with no sanitation and no electricity. He's in violation of the law. I don't understand why you all think the government should just not enforce the law. You sound like my Grandfather. [JerseyShorevoice] Alls I's is sayin' is dat duh laws be schtoooopid!!! [/JerseyShorevoice] |
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 4, 2010 18:50:50 GMT -5
There are different laws for different municipalities and municipalities who have high concentrations of Amish people have different laws. This guy clearly violated the laws of the county he's living in. He's living in a small RV with no sanitation and no electricity. He's in violation of the law. I don't understand why you all think the government should just not enforce the law. The government shouldn't enforce the law because it doesn't affect other people. They're spending my tax money to go harass peaceful people. And these laws shouldn't exist in the first place. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 4, 2010 19:01:29 GMT -5
There are different laws for different municipalities and municipalities who have high concentrations of Amish people have different laws. This guy clearly violated the laws of the county he's living in. He's living in a small RV with no sanitation and no electricity. He's in violation of the law. I don't understand why you all think the government should just not enforce the law. The government shouldn't enforce the law because it doesn't affect other people. They're spending my tax money to go harass peaceful people. And these laws shouldn't exist in the first place. If you want to argue that these laws shouldn't exist that's fine. If you're going to argue that the government should just randomly decide which laws to enforce or not, that's BS. They ought to enforce every single last one of them. That's what I pay them for. If the laws are stupid, go change them. |
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 4, 2010 19:16:12 GMT -5
I prefer for the police to protect me. Not go and harass peaceful people. It's not B.S. I don't want the police pulling every person over who's going 1 mile per hour over the speed limit. We need to have some sort of rationality with our laws and when and how they are enforced. If this guy was, as you said, breeding mosquitoes, growing illegal drugs (though I believe that should be "legalized" as well), holding people prisoner on his land, etc... Then we'd have some reason to go in and take this guy's land. But he is a peaceful land owner who has decided to live on his own without modern conveniences. The fact that there is a law that FORCES people to conform to societal norms is absolutely  ing absurd. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 4, 2010 20:54:48 GMT -5
I prefer for the police to protect me. Not go and harass peaceful people. It's not B.S. I don't want the police pulling every person over who's going 1 mile per hour over the speed limit. We need to have some sort of rationality with our laws and when and how they are enforced. If this guy was, as you said, breeding mosquitoes, growing illegal drugs (though I believe that should be "legalized" as well), holding people prisoner on his land, etc... Then we'd have some reason to go in and take this guy's land. But he is a peaceful land owner who has decided to live on his own without modern conveniences. The fact that there is a law that FORCES people to conform to societal norms is absolutely ing absurd. Fine. Then live in an anarchist society. Someone rapes my sister. I hunt them down and kill them on the street in cold blood. I shouldn't even been arrested I guess. The cops shouldn't bother. Sure it's against the law, but the cops should be able to choose which laws to enforce and which laws not to enforce. That's how it should work. I'm sorry, but society breaks down completely if you go down that road. |
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 4, 2010 20:58:04 GMT -5
Clearly you're not reading what I'm saying. Raping someone blatantly affects someone else, and thus is taking their rights.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 4, 2010 22:34:12 GMT -5
Clearly you're not reading what I'm saying. Raping someone blatantly affects someone else, and thus is taking their rights. And if I kill the person who raped my sister, they deserved it. I shouldn't be arrested. Cops should be able to choose not to enforce that law. |
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Post by pedigree619 on Dec 4, 2010 22:37:58 GMT -5
Clearly you're not reading what I'm saying. Raping someone blatantly affects someone else, and thus is taking their rights. And if I kill the person who raped my sister, they deserved it. I shouldn't be arrested. Cops should be able to choose not to enforce that law. This guy is minding his own business, not murdering someone who raped his sister. |
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 4, 2010 22:40:34 GMT -5
Clearly you're not reading what I'm saying. Raping someone blatantly affects someone else, and thus is taking their rights. And if I kill the person who raped my sister, they deserved it. I shouldn't be arrested. Cops should be able to choose not to enforce that law. No? You're still taking his rights. Granted, I would do it anyway, but that's my choice. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 4, 2010 22:47:10 GMT -5
And if I kill the person who raped my sister, they deserved it. I shouldn't be arrested. Cops should be able to choose not to enforce that law. This guy is minding his own business, not murdering someone who raped his sister. Doesn't change the fact that he's breaking the law. If a NASCAR driver is driving a Ferrari down the street at a 100 mph, he's not hurting anyone. He's got a performance vehicle that can handle those speeds and specifically trained to drive at those speeds. He's not harming anyone. I suppose he shouldn't be pulled over? |
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Post by pedigree619 on Dec 4, 2010 22:51:12 GMT -5
This guy is minding his own business, not murdering someone who raped his sister. Doesn't change the fact that he's breaking the law. If a NASCAR driver is driving a Ferrari down the street at a 100 mph, he's not hurting anyone. He's got a performance vehicle that can handle those speeds and specifically trained to drive at those speeds. He's not harming anyone. I suppose he shouldn't be pulled over? That's the worst example you could have possibly made. P.S. My mom got pulled over for throwing a banana peel out her car window. I think the cop was your daddy. |
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 4, 2010 22:54:19 GMT -5
He's not harming anyone. I suppose he shouldn't be pulled over? Right. BTW, 100mph is nothing. My Charger can easily get to 100mph without me even noticing. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 4, 2010 22:59:04 GMT -5
He's not harming anyone. I suppose he shouldn't be pulled over? Right. BTW, 100mph is nothing. My Charger can easily get to 100mph without me even noticing. Wrong. The law is still the law. That's the beauty of the law. It applies equally to every one regardless of class, age, gender, etc... or at least it should anyway. |
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Post by pedigree619 on Dec 4, 2010 23:01:21 GMT -5
Right. BTW, 100mph is nothing. My Charger can easily get to 100mph without me even noticing. Wrong. The law is still the law. That's the beauty of the law. It applies equally to every one regardless of class, age, gender, etc... or at least it should anyway.  |
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Post by The Assassin on Dec 5, 2010 0:24:54 GMT -5
I think perhaps the better point to make is that the police and legal system needs to get it's priorities right. There's worse lawbreakers than this guy. Put his case to the bottom of the pile. Police time and money needs to be used appropriately in relation to the seriousness and effects of the crime being committed, and the allocation of time, money, and force used should be judged on a case-by-case basis.
And Hulk, I realize you're just trying to illustrate your points, but you are using extreme examples. I don't doubt that laws have been broken, but this case is clearly not in the same league of lawbreaking as a murder or a reckless speeding driver. Whilst I agree that laws are there for a reason, and should be challenged and changed if needed in an organised and civilized manner, it's not appropriate for vastly different types of laws/crimes, or even vastly different cases, to all be enforced/prosecuted/dealt with in the exact same manner.
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