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Post by Gazza on Dec 31, 2010 13:53:41 GMT -5
But even if you don't agree with it, the law is there, and the charge is made for breaking that law. Just because you don't agree with the law it doesn't mean its a bogus charge. We should break unjust laws. Just because a law is there does not mean it is a good law or a right law. But to say its a bogus charge and your fine to break the said law because you think it's not right, is utter stupid. If someone though the murder law was stupid, so he went and out and murdered someone. Would that be a bogus charge? No it wouldn't.
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Post by slappy on Dec 31, 2010 14:04:11 GMT -5
We should break unjust laws. Just because a law is there does not mean it is a good law or a right law. But to say its a bogus charge and your fine to break the said law because you think it's not right, is utter stupid. If someone though the murder law was stupid, so he went and out and murdered someone. Would that be a bogus charge? No it wouldn't. Obviously murder is not ok, because you are harming someone else. That law is completely justifiable. We should not just accept things the way they are and sit down and let these things take over our lives. We do need to stand up and fight. We cannot let unjust laws go on.
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Post by theryanegan on Dec 31, 2010 14:17:24 GMT -5
But to say its a bogus charge and your fine to break the said law because you think it's not right, is utter stupid. If someone though the murder law was stupid, so he went and out and murdered someone. Would that be a bogus charge? No it wouldn't. Obviously murder is not ok, because you are harming someone else. That law is completely justifiable. We should not just accept things the way they are and sit down and let these things take over our lives. We do need to stand up and fight. We cannot let unjust laws go on. It is NOT AN UNJUST LAW. How is it an unjust law? Seriously? Someone is possibly dealing drugs, and harming other people's health, plus possibly killing them, and it's unjust? Jesus Christ, Slappy. Get over yourself. This whole "the guvment is out to get us! We need to stand up to them, and their oppressive ways!" routine is pathetic.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Dec 31, 2010 14:18:59 GMT -5
Damn people are so clouded in the own ing bias, they refuse to even LOOK AT it from someone else's POV.
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Post by K5 on Dec 31, 2010 14:21:42 GMT -5
while i agree that the law is unjust, jeff hardy being exempted from it is a whole other conversation.
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Post by slappy on Dec 31, 2010 14:23:26 GMT -5
Obviously murder is not ok, because you are harming someone else. That law is completely justifiable. We should not just accept things the way they are and sit down and let these things take over our lives. We do need to stand up and fight. We cannot let unjust laws go on. It is NOT AN UNJUST LAW. How is it an unjust law? Seriously? Someone is possibly dealing drugs, and harming other people's health, plus possibly killing them, and it's unjust? Jesus Christ, Slappy. Get over yourself. This whole "the guvment is out to get us! We need to stand up to them, and their oppressive ways!" routine is pathetic. This has NOTHING to do with the government. See how it is though. You do post something trying to open people's eyes and you are labeled as crazy and anything you say will be brought back to try and discredit you later on. Ridiculous. People can make up their own mind. If they want to buy drugs and take them, so what? They harm no one by taking the drugs. We don't punish gas stations for selling cigarettes or alcohol.
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Post by theryanegan on Dec 31, 2010 14:24:36 GMT -5
Damn people are so clouded in the own ing bias, they refuse to even LOOK AT it from someone else's POV. There is no bias. There is nothing here but logic and fact. Logic: Jeff Hardy has a well-documented history with drugs. Jeff Hardy has not been charged with dealing before, no. But, does that mean that he has not been doing it? No. Who are the ones who are more likely to be drug dealers? The person who has a detailed, lengthy history with drugs, or the guy who gets busted with an ounce of pot? Fact: Jeff Hardy was busted with a truckload of drugs. There is no way any cop is going to look at it and say "Eh. Chances are they're all for him.". The guy is going to get charged with trafficking. Period. Once again, the whole "celebrity" thing is weak sauce. Jeff Hardy is not that big of a celebrity. Just because he is popular among wrestling fans does NOT mean he is some sort of huge celebrity. Hell, the son of an Academy Award-winning actor is more famous than Jeff Hardy. So, once again, how is it that this charge is, somehow, bogus?
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Post by slappy on Dec 31, 2010 14:29:07 GMT -5
How can you convict someone on a charge you can't prove? That is how it is bogus.
Just because you have guns doesn't mean you are going to go shoot up some places. So why is it that they think that if he has drugs that he will sell them?
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Post by K5 on Dec 31, 2010 14:36:03 GMT -5
once again, and by this point i think i'm being ignored, there is obviously more to this than we know. he probably had a scale or multiple baggies, all (at least in canada) can make you end up with a trafficking charge if you're caught with drugs. the whole theory of "he had a lotta drugs so they thought he was selling" doesn't add up and they wouldn't of bothered with the charge unless there was just cause.
if i had an ounce of pot and was caught with it, that's possession. but if within my bag of pot there are multiple sandwich bags, that's trafficking.
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Post by theryanegan on Dec 31, 2010 14:38:06 GMT -5
Has all the evidence been disclosed in this case? Considering it's been delayed so many times, there hasn't even been a chance for anyone to provide their evidence or witnesses. All the facts are really only known by the defense and the prosecution.
And, if Jeff is, in fact, going to plead guilty, chances are there is probably a witness or some evidence that will show that he did, in fact, have intent to sell at least some of the drugs.
Chances are, he'll strike some sort of deal, and the evidence will wind up sealed. He'll get his punishment, and the rest of us will know that he did something wrong.
But, since we won't actually have knowledge of what the evidence is, the CM's and Slappy's of the world will continue to claim it was unjust, it was dumb, there was no reason for it, etc. Even though the prosecution may have had an eye witness that says "I saw Jeff dealing drugs before, and I know he had plans to sell some of the drugs he was busted with", it will still be unjust.
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Post by slappy on Dec 31, 2010 14:43:39 GMT -5
I am not saying that the charges are unjust in just Jeff's case. I am saying that it is unjust in every case. Unless they catch you saying that you are going to sell, they cannot prove that you intend to sell.
I doubt Jeff will plead guilty to intent to traffic. They will probably drop that charge in exchange for his guilty plea on the other charges.
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Post by theryanegan on Dec 31, 2010 14:46:09 GMT -5
I still love the fact that you're ignoring the fact that Jeff may have had intent to distribute. You think they're going to just drop it for a guilty plea. But you still don't get that he may have had intent to traffick.
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Post by slappy on Dec 31, 2010 14:49:08 GMT -5
There is no proof other than the amount he had that he was going to intend to sell. Just because they arrest him for intent to sell doesn't mean he did intend to sell.
They do drop serious but flimsy charges in exchange for guilty pleas on other counts.
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Post by theryanegan on Dec 31, 2010 14:54:36 GMT -5
There is no proof other than the amount he had that he was going to intend to sell. Just because they arrest him for intent to sell doesn't mean he did intend to sell. They do drop serious but flimsy charges in exchange for guilty pleas on other counts. There is no proof THAT WE KNOW OF. Just because they haven't released it yet DOES NOT mean that the proof doesn't exist. Once again, let me go through it again. The trial has been delayed numerous times. The evidence has not been brought forward, because they have not had a chance to present it, because THE TRIAL HAS BEEN DELAYED. With me so far? Probably not, but I'll continue. The only people who know the evidence or witnesses are the defense team, and the prosecution. And they only know it because it is required that they share the information with each other. Get it? Understand? Just because the evidence has not been released (and will most likely end up sealed when Jeff pleads guilty) does NOT mean it does not exist. Period. End of story. The police are not going to charge someone with a crime unless they have evidence that there is a reason to (see, k5? I've been reading your posts). EDIT: Jeff was also charged with misdemeanor possession of drug paraphernalia. Which, get this, can mean dealer supplies. "Dealer-specific products are used by the drug sellers or traffickers for preparing drugs for distribution. Items such as digital scales, vials, and small "ziploc" baggies that can be used to sell crack, heroin, or marijuana fall into this category."
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Post by kojak on Dec 31, 2010 14:58:26 GMT -5
There is no proof other than the amount he had that he was going to intend to sell. Just because they arrest him for intent to sell doesn't mean he did intend to sell. They do drop serious but flimsy charges in exchange for guilty pleas on other counts. Sorry man the guy had Opium that is already a Felony. And the amount that was found you might as well just hand him heroin its the same thing.
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Post by slappy on Dec 31, 2010 15:02:03 GMT -5
Yeah, because no one has ever been arrested before on literally bogus charges. Meaning they were charged with something that has nothing to do with the reason they were arrested.
People who sit in their car and refuse to get out for the police and get dragged out of their car and arrested can get a bogus charge of assaulting a police officer tacked on even if they didn't even lay a finger on the cops.
So if he had sandwich bags in his house, he could be charged with intent, because he may break up the drugs into those bags. How stupid.
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Post by slappy on Dec 31, 2010 15:03:19 GMT -5
There is no proof other than the amount he had that he was going to intend to sell. Just because they arrest him for intent to sell doesn't mean he did intend to sell. They do drop serious but flimsy charges in exchange for guilty pleas on other counts. Sorry man the guy had Opium that is already a Felony. And the amount that was found you might as well just hand him heroin its the same thing. What?
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Post by theryanegan on Dec 31, 2010 15:03:55 GMT -5
Yeah, because no one has ever been arrested before on literally bogus charges. Meaning they were charged with something that has nothing to do with the reason they were arrested. People who sit in their car and refuse to get out for the police and get dragged out of their car and arrested can get a bogus charge of assaulting a police officer tacked on even if they didn't even lay a finger on the cops. OK. You aren't even paying attention. Otherwise, you'd see that more than one person has provided more than enough evidence to support the possibility he was intending to sell. But, hey, whatever. Stay in your ignorance.
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Post by theryanegan on Dec 31, 2010 15:04:55 GMT -5
Sorry man the guy had Opium that is already a Felony. And the amount that was found you might as well just hand him heroin its the same thing. What? Opium can be synthesized into heroin.
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Post by slappy on Dec 31, 2010 15:05:12 GMT -5
Yeah, because no one has ever been arrested before on literally bogus charges. Meaning they were charged with something that has nothing to do with the reason they were arrested. People who sit in their car and refuse to get out for the police and get dragged out of their car and arrested can get a bogus charge of assaulting a police officer tacked on even if they didn't even lay a finger on the cops. OK. You aren't even paying attention. Otherwise, you'd see that more than one person has provided more than enough evidence to support the possibility he was intending to sell. But, hey, whatever. Stay in your ignorance. There is no proof. You can say he may have had a scale or sandwich bags. But that is bullshit. He couldn't have those things for any other reason than drugs? See, that isn't proof.
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