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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 7:48:34 GMT -5
ya pillman was another bad choice, mattel needs to hire someone who knows wwf history ....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 8:01:51 GMT -5
i agree , someone from matteldesignteam should really clear the air on this one. ive invested a lot of money into this line, id like to hear some news on it.
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Post by Rob7274 on Mar 24, 2011 8:03:57 GMT -5
Ive read all your comments even your wall of text slinky462 lol.
I think the guys who are worried are right to be... like me. Every time I watch a interview with the guys working on WWE when they mention the Legends line these a hint of erm....no confidence, disapointment...
Your right zombieapocalypse this would be the perfect time for Mattel Design Team to chip in and give us a status update.
The figures arnt the mistake for sure. It's (IMO) Marketing, Distribution and Stratgy on when to release certain wrestlers.
I can't say for sure not living in the USA. Living in the UK I only heard of these due to me already collecting DCUC's.
I just hope that the Legends line can bounce back giving a nice wide selection because if not collecting just Elites wont work for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 8:21:11 GMT -5
Theres too Big of a Market for 'Old School' Collectors for Mattel to dispose of the line. A Lot of old school wrestling fans dont watch the current product.
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Post by jmoneynwo2003 on Mar 24, 2011 8:42:58 GMT -5
The Legends line is not in trouble, I don't know where people got this idea. Canceling two packs and dropping the regular sets to 4 or 5 figures was because of people on the internet bitching about “There’s too much stuff out and I cant keep up blah blah blah”. Now people are complaining “There’s not enough stuff out there and the Legends line will take forever to get superstars A B and C out there”. God make up your minds people!
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Post by brainbusters on Mar 24, 2011 8:47:29 GMT -5
The Legends line is not in trouble, I don't know where people got this idea. Canceling two packs and dropping the regular sets to 4 or 5 figures was because of people on the internet bitching about “There’s too much stuff out and I cant keep up blah blah blah”. Now people are complaining “There’s not enough stuff out there and the Legends line will take forever to get superstars A B and C out there”. God make up your minds people! Um no. The 2 packs were canceled because nobody bought them. TRU all over the United States are STILL flooded with them. The dropping from 6 figures to 4 was done because of a "cost cutting" measures by Mattel. They even mentioned it. Had nothing to do with people complaining on the internet. We're about 5% of the people that collect figures.
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 24, 2011 9:08:25 GMT -5
The Legends line is not in trouble, I don't know where people got this idea. Canceling two packs and dropping the regular sets to 4 or 5 figures was because of people on the internet bitching about “There’s too much stuff out and I cant keep up blah blah blah”. Now people are complaining “There’s not enough stuff out there and the Legends line will take forever to get superstars A B and C out there”. God make up your minds people! Um no. The 2 packs were canceled because nobody bought them. TRU all over the United States are STILL flooded with them. The dropping from 6 figures to 4 was done because of a "cost cutting" measures by Mattel. They even mentioned it. Had nothing to do with people complaining on the internet. We're about 5% of the people that collect figures. Not only 2packs, but I went to a TRU yesterday down the street from my work and they had, I kid you not, at least 30 Series 2 legends figures on the pegs. I wish they would drop the price and blow these things out. I am so sick of seeing that series, as well as the 2packs. I feel like Series 2 is the only Series that really lingered around forever and I think it was due to the over ordering. Which was definitely the problem with the Legends 2packs as well. Series 2 is really the only series that I don't think had enough name value to it. There wasn't a single "marquee" name in the set and so after the collectors were done they just sat there because the average consumer didn't care. Guys like Rude and Jake would have been great but I think because they were in less iconic attires it wasn't marketable to the masses. I thought it was great, I personally love both those figures but I thought Jake's All-stars attire would have sold better in that set. S1 had Austin, S3 had Rock, S4 had Warrior, S5 had Macho Man, S6 Warrior & Eddie... I just think each series needs at least 1 guy that pulls the rest along for the ride. Series 2 just didn't have that imo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 9:25:36 GMT -5
True , but in all honesty i found series 1 and 2 very boring. Sure 1 has austin, lod and slaughter and a new steamboat no ones seen yet. but l.o.d were in plain black nwa attire, slaughter pre fame attire, austin was just in plain gear... just seemed really boring. i think each set needs two big Hit guys for now till the series has enough steam to hold 6 per wave.
i think jake and rude would have done a lot better in those outfits if they had say, the undertaker or hbk replace funk and snuka
the series was all over the map by series 2 , half nwa , half wwf, some attitude era.... like sure ill buy rude and jake but the only other guys from the accurate time frame really are steamboat and dusty and kamala....... Wheres the Blockbuster 'marquee' name to that collection?
Now Add series 3 , Hacksaw + Perfect, if im just collecting from that era then wheres my Main Eventers
I See this now..... Those would be Fine for that era of collecting if Undertaker , Hbk, Bret were added. then thats a good start to a collection. Mattel Focus on Your Main Event Guys and the Series will Pan out, Jakks didnt make good figures but they knew which ones would sell .
Were going on to series 7 , Wheres Elite old school Undertaker and old school HBK , those 2 should have been the easiest to do and would make great deals of $ for mattel...
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Post by Rob7274 on Mar 24, 2011 9:36:44 GMT -5
Um no. The 2 packs were canceled because nobody bought them. TRU all over the United States are STILL flooded with them. The dropping from 6 figures to 4 was done because of a "cost cutting" measures by Mattel. They even mentioned it. Had nothing to do with people complaining on the internet. We're about 5% of the people that collect figures. Not only 2packs, but I went to a TRU yesterday down the street from my work and they had, I kid you not, at least 30 Series 2 legends figures on the pegs. I wish they would drop the price and blow these things out. I am so sick of seeing that series, as well as the 2packs. I feel like Series 2 is the only Series that really lingered around forever and I think it was due to the over ordering. Which was definitely the problem with the Legends 2packs as well. Series 2 is really the only series that I don't think had enough name value to it. There wasn't a single "marquee" name in the set and so after the collectors were done they just sat there because the average consumer didn't care. Guys like Rude and Jake would have been great but I think because they were in less iconic attires it wasn't marketable to the masses. I thought it was great, I personally love both those figures but I thought Jake's All-stars attire would have sold better in that set. S1 had Austin, S3 had Rock, S4 had Warrior, S5 had Macho Man, S6 Warrior & Eddie... I just think each series needs at least 1 guy that pulls the rest along for the ride. Series 2 just didn't have that imo. The reasons for dropping the 2-packs and reducing Legends from 6 to 4 is as Brain Busters explains I do remember people complaining about the amount coming out. But you might want to calm down Maja on Fiya That unfortunately wasn't me and I hate waiting longer for less figures punksnotdead seems to have hit the nail on the head. Id be happy for a big main player and then 3 random Legends. I think Mattel needs to learn from mistakes, move on and improve.
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Post by hierosis on Mar 24, 2011 9:51:11 GMT -5
I think people are getting way too hysterical about Lawler being released as a Basic. Right now, Lawler is an active character, with a storyline and a heavily hyped match at Mania. So, I would guess that Mattel saw the benefit of releasing a Basic Lawler, which would probably sell better because of price, name recognition, and the bigger distribution that the basic series gets. I don't think WWE or Mattel expected Lawler's popularity be where it is (and based on the poor buyrates for Elimination Chamber, they may have over estimated) right now. But it makes perfect sense to do a CURRENT figure of him now, and work on a legends figure down the line. Also, people have to understand that the rising cost of oil affects everything, expecially the cost of plastic. This may be one of the reasons Mattel phased out the display stands. But, last I looked, there are two legends lines on the horizon (series 5 and 6), so I'm not sure where all this fear is coming from. Mattel and WWE will always cater to the mainstream fans first, which are mostly kids who buys Basic versions of the current characters they know and like.
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Post by JKLMD2002 on Mar 24, 2011 11:40:32 GMT -5
Pretty sure the cost-cutting was just because people weren't buying enough of the first two series. Had people bought them in steady supply I can't imagine Mattel would want to cut their own profits by cutting figures.
MattelDesignTeam has posted here that they chose the attires to give a different look from what Jakks offered. I appreciated it as I wanted Road Warriors (not the washed up LOD), a short-haired Rude, Hart Foundation era Pillman, long tights Sheik and early 90s heel Jake "The Snake." But Mattel stuff blows Jakks away so they really don't need to consider their figures as the definitive versions of the legends and do attires that are iconic for figures like Slaughter and Snuka.
Hopefully we'll get an SDCC legends exclusive and a see a lot more legends come SDCC.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Mar 24, 2011 11:55:04 GMT -5
I am really not looking forward to paying 30 dollars for Andre. 15.99 is ridiculous enough. Nobody will convince me that 15.99 is good. I am going to have to pay probably twice that for Andre, one of my most wanted. That is absurd. Exclusives should be limited to different outfits. That Punk that everyone is raising a hullabaloo over would make a great exclusive. Andre, who they were originally going to make us buy a 60 dollar ring to get, would not. Seriously, if Andre is going to be an exclusive, this doesn't bode well for the line.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 12:14:27 GMT -5
I am really not looking forward to paying 30 dollars for Andre. 15.99 is ridiculous enough. Nobody will convince me that 15.99 is good. I am going to have to pay probably twice that for Andre, one of my most wanted. That is absurd. Exclusives should be limited to different outfits. That Punk that everyone is raising a hullabaloo over would make a great exclusive. Andre, who they were originally going to make us buy a 60 dollar ring to get, would not. Seriously, if Andre is going to be an exclusive, this doesn't bode well for the line. No Kidding, i agree exclusives should be different costumes and such. Andre belongs in the main line, if they make him an excl. it makes the line suffer and they lose money
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Post by ricflair4ever on Mar 24, 2011 14:15:36 GMT -5
I highly doubt Mattel will ever even come close to matching the amount of guys made in Jakks CS line. I don't see Mattel being that patient quite frankly. I like Mattel,and think their detail is superior than Jakks. And I think they handlle the modern WWE era characters better than Jakks too. That said,I just look at Mattels Legends line as a good companion piece to Jakks. Everything already announced/or out (Steamboat,Savage,Von Erichs,short hair Rude) were things Jakks never gave us ,and thankfully Mattel got to right off the bat. I would prefer Mattel crank out a whole universe of Legends themselves......heavy hitters like Hart,Hogan,Flair,Foley etc. ,historical legends like Race,Sammartino,Bockwinkle,Rogers,and Gagne would be more than welcome,and aesthetically compelling guys like Papa Sango,Honky Tonk Man,Warlord,Barbarian, etc. All welcome additions. But if it doesn't happen,at least I won't feel like my Classics collection is sorely lacking now that Dragon,Von Erich and of course Savage are here to finally be represented.
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Post by LeighD on Mar 24, 2011 14:33:06 GMT -5
While I'm not a big Mattel Legends collector (strictly Legends not made of being made by JAKKS), I do have a few concerns about the line. I don't think the line will be canned anytime soon, but I think Mattel expected more from the line.
IMO I didn't like how the line started out. Yes first few Series had great names, but attire-wise some odd choices (NWA LOD in a WWE line, non-camo attire Slaughter, no bare foot Snuka). However some great names have been made liek Austin, Steamboat, Warrior, Perfect, Savage, Rock, etc. Mattel still has guys like Bret Hart, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, etc to produce in the Legends line. However I find it odd Mattel isn't keen of placing Lawler and Andre in the retail level of the line. I mean I'd expect any WWE HOF'er to be an immediate Legends figure.
Bottomline - Peopel shouldn't get their hopes up for the mid-carders or lower (less obscure personalities) in the Legends line.
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Post by The Madness on Mar 24, 2011 14:41:16 GMT -5
I think that at times, there is more concern over HOF-ers getting figures than is warranted. Sure, Andre and Lawler should be no-brainers, but would Ernie Ladd or Fred Blassie really sell more toys than the Big Bossman or the Ultimate Warrior? Ideally, the entire Hall of Fame should be produced, but I can understand Mattel placing a higher priority on the ones that will sell the most (for now, at least).
I'm just concerned about how badly the Kevin Von Erich figure is going to warm the pegs. I'm sure he was a requirement in getting Kerry signed, but I can't imagine he'll sell as well as his brother.
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Post by JKLMD2002 on Mar 24, 2011 15:18:18 GMT -5
I'm sure Kevin will be the figure packed one to a case while we get multiples of Warrior and Eddy to go along with both versions of Kerry and one Kevin so I think it'll be more of a matter of people not being able to find him too easily early on rather than him peg-warming.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 15:22:30 GMT -5
ya kevin von erich was a bad choice. im sure theres lots of love on the msg boards for the von erichs but regardless we'll see him at the stores for a long time coming.
As long as Mattel Makes Earthquake, Boss man and some other colorful characters of the golden age its all good with me.
i think once they finally release elite legends, hbk, undertaker, bret and andre things will start to look up.
jakks classic line wouldnt have sold if ernie ladd and the repo man were in series 1 or 2... they pumped out the main event figures and filled the line with the mid cards and eventually the majority of the figures were sold... Mattel should do their homework and look at jakks biggest Wins and Losses. Learn from their mistakes, they made a lot lol. but they also sold a lot of figures by choosing the right figures for the line
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Post by JKLMD2002 on Mar 24, 2011 15:32:24 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the main reason we're getting Kevin in the single line is because he was already ready for Legends two-packs series 2 but I think you might be surprised at how Mattel will pack him to ensure he's not a peg-warmer. They could conceivably do a case pack with 3 Warriors, 2 Eddys and 1 Kerry and the alternate pack could have 2 Warriors, 2 Eddys, 1 Kevin and 1 Texas Tornado.
Remember how people were complaining how hard DH Smith was to find in Elite 7? I figure it'll be like that for guys like Kevin and The Model who aren't the obvious big sellers no matter how much we like the character and figure itself.
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Post by twinn on Mar 24, 2011 15:45:17 GMT -5
It's really not looking good for the legends line imo... Losing the tag team series (because of the idiotic choices of guys to put in the first wave) hurts us and cutting down the singles line from 6 to 4 hurts as well. It just makes getting middle tier guys like Dino Bravo, Hercules, Warlord, Barbarian, etc. etc. seem less and less likely. Mattel's legends line is obviously a superior product compared to Jakks, but whoever is running it needs to re-evaluate what the they are doing
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