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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 24, 2011 15:48:29 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the main reason we're getting Kevin in the single line is because he was already ready for Legends two-packs series 2 but I think you might be surprised at how Mattel will pack him to ensure he's not a peg-warmer. They could conceivably do a case pack with 3 Warriors, 2 Eddys and 1 Kerry and the alternate pack could have 2 Warriors, 2 Eddys, 1 Kevin and 1 Texas Tornado. Remember how people were complaining how hard DH Smith was to find in Elite 7? I figure it'll be like that for guys like Kevin and The Model who aren't the obvious big sellers no matter how much we like the character and figure itself. I agree with that thought process and fully expect to see that type of situation. I have only seen DH one time so far so if that is the case then the strategy seems like it works. I enjoy hunting, to a degree, but if stacking the cases with the more popular guys is going to make the ones I definitely want easier to pick up then I am all for it. Eddie and Warrior are definite for me but a Texas Tornado? Maybe if I see it. Also, someone brought up the Exclusives being different attires, I kind of agree. I do wholeheartedly agree that Andre should in no way shape or form be an Exclusive when he could easily be a big seller. I just think Exclusives should be for variant attires or guys who wouldn't sell as well at mass retail but would probably do great geared directly towards the collector market.
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Post by JKLMD2002 on Mar 24, 2011 16:09:22 GMT -5
I'm with you. I'd actually be less inclined to buy an exclusive for just a different paint job/attire but if I could get a David Von Erich, a D-Lo Brown or Great Muta I'd much rather get a new character who would be a hard sell in stores.
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Post by jmoneynwo2003 on Mar 24, 2011 16:44:12 GMT -5
The Legends line is not in trouble, I don't know where people got this idea. Canceling two packs and dropping the regular sets to 4 or 5 figures was because of people on the internet bitching about “There’s too much stuff out and I cant keep up blah blah blah”. Now people are complaining “There’s not enough stuff out there and the Legends line will take forever to get superstars A B and C out there”. God make up your minds people! Um no. The 2 packs were canceled because nobody bought them. TRU all over the United States are STILL flooded with them. The dropping from 6 figures to 4 was done because of a "cost cutting" measures by Mattel. They even mentioned it. Had nothing to do with people complaining on the internet. We're about 5% of the people that collect figures. Wow way to take it so literally, yes I honestly believe that was the sole reason, yup just the internet, that’s it. People also need to understand that just because their area is overstocked doesn’t mean it’s like that all over the place. Like many above had said, their distribution was bad and some places got way too much and others almost none. Nothing Legends stays in stock in my area very long even though we get lots of boxes. Point is, they just plain made way too much of each set.
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Post by Torn Quad Trips on Mar 24, 2011 18:00:37 GMT -5
i think there are a few factors working against legends:
1. mattel has yet to figure out wtf they're doing with boys toys. i collect their dc property and have watched for years as they've dicked those various lines up for no reason other than blatant ignorance. i've seen case pack outs where all but 1 figure is a variation of batman and that 1 remaining figure is the only figure anyone wants. i've also seen dc case pack outs that contain the least popular characters from several waves. wtf are they all doing in 1 case? who knows. but it shows that they don't know the market.
2. the price point sucks. and, apparently, there's not much you can do about that. but $15-16 per isn't a friendly enough price for figures people only kind-of want. i'd be collecting almost every figure if the price point was better. as it is, i'm picking up roughly half of each wave.
3. related to point #2, the character selection, while ultimately unavoidable, isn't consistently holy-sh*t inspiring. the line breaks down into figures i MUST have, figures i'd get if they were on sale and figures i don't care about. and again, it's inevitable that you're gonna get figures you don't really care about. but toss in the high price point and the figures i'm kind-of into aren't being purchased. mattel should try to figure out what characters have little or lesser chance of total sell through and sell them strictly as exclusives. the von erichs, pillman, rhodes and funk should all have been exclusives. the last 3 of that list perwarm HARD around here. i'm positive the von erichs will, too.
4. relating to character selection, the attire/era selection is kind of odd. snuka in boots?! short haired rude? jake's attire? what mattel should have done is gone with the most iconic version of a character first, then go back and hit them all up with their less iconic iterations later. the only snag there is some people count certain iterations as more iconic than other iterations. but we can all agree, snuka should have been bare-foot.
5. semi related to #4, mattel DESPERATELY needs to do variants. they'd have guaranteed sales. instead of just 1 pair of tights for rude, why not toss in a variant with a totally different pair of tights? same with jake and uw and just about everyone. GUARANTEED SALES. but mattel tries to say that a new paint app wouldn't cost out or some horsecrap. whatever. i see it as 1 of 2 scenarios: don't sell a figure or do sell a figure. and i see a bunch of figures that aren't selling that could have sold if they had a different paint app.
and to clarify, i LOVE the legends line. i hope it continues forever.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 18:45:56 GMT -5
gdm - well said, mattels legends line could be very successful they just need figure out the market better
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Mar 24, 2011 19:15:56 GMT -5
I don't get the hate on the Jake the Snake and Rick Rude I think those figs are awesome
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Post by twinn on Mar 24, 2011 19:19:58 GMT -5
I don't get the hate on the Jake the Snake and Rick Rude I think those figs are awesome Yeah there is absolutely no reason at all dislike those two figures; they are two of the best figures in the line so far
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Post by threehgame on Mar 24, 2011 20:54:18 GMT -5
gdm - well said, mattels legends line could be very successful they just need figure out the market better They said something similar about the Masters of the Universe line, and they found out that they sell really well as Matty Collector exclusives.
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Post by PJ on Mar 24, 2011 21:15:07 GMT -5
Mattel always says things that. They said it for every wave of JL/JLA. They said it for every wave of DCSH/DCUC. And they are now saying it with the WWE. And you know what just like with those lines they aren't going away anytime soon. This is the last year for JLU, but the line went 6 or 7 years with the last few waves/years without a TV show backing it.
The 2-Packs were way over produced for the wrestlers released. I know with my area TRU stores they'd each get maybe 3 case of Jakks CS 2-Packs wave, but with Mattel they each received at least 12 cases of the Legends 2-packs. And out of the 6 figures 2 were repaints of figures that were released at the same time. Iron Sheik was a reapint as was Piper in a way (EG). So unless you are like me and would buy every Piper and Iron Sheik you might have a hard time pulling the $30 each trigger for Volkoff or Orton. And the Bushwackers weren't a world beater of a team . If it wasn't for the sale TRU was running when they were released along with my rewards points I'd have passed on the Bushwackers.
And Mattel came on the boards and said the Legends line was dropped to 4 figures because of all the collectors here and at Matty.com b1tching about the cost of buying 6 figures at a time. And seeing the collectors are their target consumer for the Legends line they cut it down to 4. Which sucks for someone like me who had no trouble buying the whole set + doubles of the ones I really liked at one time.
As for attire choices other than Snuka I've had no issues with any of the choices. Bottom line is the Legends line won't be going away anytime soon.
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Post by twinn on Mar 24, 2011 21:26:11 GMT -5
I actually have no problem at all that they released The Bushwackers. They're good figures and they were a popular Tag Team in the early 90's, but they should not have been in the first series (maybe series 2 or 3). The other packs should have never been ing produced
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Post by jfinnomore on Mar 24, 2011 21:26:54 GMT -5
the newer series have been selling great around here, the first 2 seemed to hang around forever though. still plenty of them at my Kmarts.
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Post by ToxicTwistOfFate on Mar 24, 2011 22:31:54 GMT -5
The only problem I see with the Legends is distribution. But of course I think that's Mattel's biggest problem with all of the WWE figures. I mean I have 4 Walmart's within 45 minutes of me and not a single one has ever carried the Legends.
Walmart 1,2,3,4 - None TRU - Legends 1 (still on the pegs) & just recently got in Legends 2 which is warming the pegs Target 1 - Legends 1, Legends 2 (still have a few) & they just got in Legends 3 Target 2 - Legends 1 & Legends 3 (they have none left of either)
Legends 4 has not shown up anywhere around here.
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Post by brainbusters on Mar 24, 2011 23:23:44 GMT -5
Um no. The 2 packs were canceled because nobody bought them. TRU all over the United States are STILL flooded with them. The dropping from 6 figures to 4 was done because of a "cost cutting" measures by Mattel. They even mentioned it. Had nothing to do with people complaining on the internet. We're about 5% of the people that collect figures. Wow way to take it so literally, yes I honestly believe that was the sole reason, yup just the internet, that’s it. People also need to understand that just because their area is overstocked doesn’t mean it’s like that all over the place. Like many above had said, their distribution was bad and some places got way too much and others almost none. Nothing Legends stays in stock in my area very long even though we get lots of boxes. Point is, they just plain made way too much of each set. Well you're the one that said it. What I said was absolutely correct in which members here as well as Mattel employees have confirmed it. Im sorry you'd rather be sarcastic instead of discussing the topic at hand like an adult.
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Post by jmoneynwo2003 on Mar 25, 2011 1:07:02 GMT -5
Wow way to take it so literally, yes I honestly believe that was the sole reason, yup just the internet, that’s it. People also need to understand that just because their area is overstocked doesn’t mean it’s like that all over the place. Like many above had said, their distribution was bad and some places got way too much and others almost none. Nothing Legends stays in stock in my area very long even though we get lots of boxes. Point is, they just plain made way too much of each set. Well you're the one that said it. What I said was absolutely correct in which members here as well as Mattel employees have confirmed it. Im sorry you'd rather be sarcastic instead of discussing the topic at hand like an adult. Youre the one getting butthurt about it e-toughguy, not me. Nothing you said was accurate and obviously your not familiar with the fact the internet is booming with sarcasm. Discussing like an adult? Ha! its a message board for wrestling figures!!! Take that elitist crap somewhere else so you can feel good about yourself, dont bring it here
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Post by slinky462 on Mar 25, 2011 1:57:00 GMT -5
real quick before i go to be I wanted to comment real quick on two thinks :::Legends 2 pack- they shouldn't have discontinued the series since it was just the first series!!!! Yes it did bad but all they had to do was sit down and go ok how can we improve this to make our customers happy down the line and us happy in return. I think they just went oh man this 2 pack thing is hard ummmmmm im cool with not doing them anymore, it hurts my head to much so, I say im done, all the rest say I.....IIIIIIIIIII !!!!!
so onto the price point of the singles legends series! Im ok with $15 when its say Vader where he has a cape, and an extra mask (so two totally mask) and he is a bigger heavier figure....So that one im cool with $15 but now brian pillman who comes with himself and thats it and the figure is very skinny. When it comes to him i feel very ripped off! I think that some of these legends need to come with more accessories! i could care less about a stand plate cause if your a collector its no biggie. Just when i buy a figure i want more than just the figure....i want some sprinkles on it and to hold my mommys hand and be totally be happy and not feel ripped off at price point of $15. LOL I hope a lot of this made sense cause i'm laying in bed half asleep on my sleeping medicine. but i know i couldn't sleep until i throw my opinion in too! Everyone is making really good statements....I think we all need to be the official consultants to mattel!
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 25, 2011 5:26:40 GMT -5
i don't think the line will die....in fact,i imagine Vince won't let it! you think he's going to let Mattel take some WWE product line off the shelves,and make them internet exclusives?! less visibility for the brand with the general consumers?! NO way!
secondly,yeah,i do see each line having a specific "anchor" figure from now on,and probably less obscure figures too...i.e. no more Terry Funk,or Brian Pillman..... but more Big Bossman,The Giant/Big Show, Chris Jericho,etc.... and i expect lots of repaints/redo's of Warrior,Rock,Austin,Savage,HBK,Undertaker,Bret,and when they get him,Hogan.... something like:
Series 7:
Rockers Shawn Michaels Rockers Marty Janetty Big Boss Man Y2J 1992 Shawn Michaels (Rockers version repaint)
Series 8:
1994 Undertaker Sid Vicious Sgt. Slaughter - Camo Repaint "Macho King" Randy Savage
Series 9:
Bret Hart Rocky Maivia Ultimate Warrior 1992 Singlet Brutus Beefcake
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Post by LeighD on Mar 25, 2011 6:40:03 GMT -5
5. semi related to #4, mattel DESPERATELY needs to do variants. they'd have guaranteed sales. instead of just 1 pair of tights for rude, why not toss in a variant with a totally different pair of tights? same with jake and uw and just about everyone. GUARANTEED SALES. but mattel tries to say that a new paint app wouldn't cost out or some horsecrap. whatever. i see it as 1 of 2 scenarios: don't sell a figure or do sell a figure. and i see a bunch of figures that aren't selling that could have sold if they had a different paint app. and to clarify, i LOVE the legends line. i hope it continues forever. This is one aspect of the CS line I wish JAKKS had done much better on. I wish for legit and intended variants. CS 16 had the normal painted hair Giant Gonzales and then the 1/500 real fur Giant Gonzales. A great way to do a variant. Limited Edition variants in the regular series would have opened up some more spaces during the course of the line. - Ex: CS 13 Bret Hart in black and blue, attire variant pink and black (i.e. CS 26 attire). I think nobody has really touched on the topic, the the price of Legends (all Mattel lines really) is going to go up. The price of gas is rising and during the summer months it only gets higher. I wouldn't be surprised to see Legends going for $17-$18 bucks by the summer's end.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2011 6:56:46 GMT -5
they are $20 in canada.... and ill gladly pay $20 for a good figure.... Vader, comes with 2 removeable masks? enough said, hell ya ill pay $20 bucks ..... akeem, big guy who looks so damn slick, shirt and hat come with him, hell yah ill pay $20 .... brian pillman... uhm no..... but i wouldnt pay $10 for him cuz i dont care for him..... same with the pipers and orton released.... just would really not rather have them...... id probably use them for customs if i had them or trade them for other figures.... just lame choices.. its worth the price, these figures are top notch, you guys are complaining about 16 bucks, get over it..... if they lower the price then you'll have to buy your accessories from ralphs again and there goes the money you saved on inferior product. Im Sure they can lower it to $13 a figure for you guys if you want, just give up bam bams sweet jacket, removeable masks, painted belts, jackets and t shirts.... glasses that fit the face.... well why not make them basic..... take away the articultion as well, then they can be $9 a figure.... you get what you pay for and this is the best figure 'bang for your buck' ive seen yet for wwf product, i dont know about you guys but i really love the accessories that come with EVERY figure.... lol... i dont want those to go anywhere Mattel just needs someone to check there legends ideas... check jakks record of sales with said figures... see who sells and who doesnt.... Legends 5 Seriously made me a Believer in mattel, it makes me want to see what they do with Big Boss man, Earthquake, Dino Bravo, The Barbarian, Haku, Giant Gonzalez, The Warlord , Macho King and many others mikey1974, those would be good line ups man, put andre in series 8 and earthquake in series 9 and id be sold!
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Post by PJ on Mar 25, 2011 10:27:11 GMT -5
The only problem I see with the Legends is distribution. But of course I think that's Mattel's biggest problem with all of the WWE figures. I mean I have 4 Walmart's within 45 minutes of me and not a single one has ever carried the Legends. Walmart 1,2,3,4 - None TRU - Legends 1 (still on the pegs) & just recently got in Legends 2 which is warming the pegs Target 1 - Legends 1, Legends 2 (still have a few) & they just got in Legends 3 Target 2 - Legends 1 & Legends 3 (they have none left of either) Legends 4 has not shown up anywhere around here. I don't think that's Mattel. I mean they ship it to the stores and then the stores ship it to their various distribution centers. who then ship it to the area stores. If TRU/WM/Target feel your area isn't a high volume area they aren't going to ship as much there. And even then the old inventory needs to have moved. My area is a high volume area but even that doesn't matter with WalMart. Other than the holiday season my two closest stores very rarely get any Mattel DCUC or WWE (other than FF). Yet the next two closest WM's have had multiple cases of every series. WalMart wants to do away with the almost all of the Toy Dept, Craft Dept and one other because they feel the stores look too cluttered. Both my area stores had their toy & craft depts cut to a third of what they were in early 2010.
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Post by brainbusters on Mar 25, 2011 11:28:01 GMT -5
Well you're the one that said it. What I said was absolutely correct in which members here as well as Mattel employees have confirmed it. Im sorry you'd rather be sarcastic instead of discussing the topic at hand like an adult. Youre the one getting butthurt about it e-toughguy, not me. Nothing you said was accurate and obviously your not familiar with the fact the internet is booming with sarcasm. Discussing like an adult? Ha! its a message board for wrestling figures!!! Take that elitist crap somewhere else so you can feel good about yourself, dont bring it here Sounds to me you're the only one getting angry after being corrected. Try being a "girl" somewhere else, I dont think anyone is buying it here. Thanks for playing though.
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