noir
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Post by noir on Jul 18, 2011 23:08:05 GMT -5
I find it pretty funny how some people are still using that overplayed phrase of "ugh some people are just NEVER happy". Let me cast you back, what was it? TWENTY FOUR HOURS AGO. This place blew up. I think everyone, literally EVERYONE was able to acknowledge how great that Pay-Per-View was. When people crap on the product, it very often is for good reason. Tonight just didn't live up to the level that the WWE has been putting out these past few weeks.
- The matches were incredibly short for the most part. 4 minute matches isn't giving the fans 'more wrestling'. - The tournament was a total cop out way of doing things. Made the WWE title look disposable. - Cena's rehired by the end of the night.
Honestly, it seems we're going back to square one based on that. Luckily, the final segment showed real potential. I know I won't be missing RAW next week and I like the ground that this angle with Vince/HHH could cover. However, that doesn't mean that the first 3/4s of the show wasn't pointless, predictable and essentially unenjoyable. Particularly underwhelming after last night.
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Post by J12 on Jul 18, 2011 23:12:14 GMT -5
I find it pretty funny how some people are still using that overplayed phrase of "ugh some people are just NEVER happy". Let me cast you back, what was it? TWENTY FOUR HOURS AGO. This place blew up. I think everyone, literally EVERYONE was able to acknowledge how great that Pay-Per-View was. When people crap on the product, it very often is for good reason. Tonight just didn't live up to the level that the WWE has been putting out these past few weeks. - The matches were incredibly short for the most part. 4 minute matches isn't giving the fans 'more wrestling'. - The tournament was a total cop out way of doing things. Made the WWE title look disposable. - Cena's rehired by the end of the night. Honestly, it seems we're going back to square one based on that. Luckily, the final segment showed real potential. I know I won't be missing RAW next week and I like the ground that this angle with Vince/HHH could cover. However, that doesn't mean that the first 3/4s of the show wasn't pointless, predictable and essentially unenjoyable. Particularly underwhelming after last night. Exactly. The "you're never happy" blah blah blah argument is overused and often times unjustified. It seems to be people's immediate reaction to anyone who isn't happy with what they see. It's impossible to not acknowledge that at the very least, tonight posed a bunch of questions that generate interest in next week's show. In the end, that's all it's ever really about.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 23:13:46 GMT -5
People seriously need to stop bitching about tonight's RAW. Just because it didn't live up to your expectations and didn't have the shock value of the past few episodes doesn't mean the show sucked ass. If anything, it was dissapointing, but what did you want WWE to do? In my eyes, WWE did the right thing and its setting up big things for the future. You people just need to stop being so damn picky and let things play out. Jesus Christ.
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Post by kimberlasskick on Jul 18, 2011 23:13:49 GMT -5
We all know they weren't going to let PUNK and CENA go in 1 night. Especially when CENA is the only major draw they really have. At least they did it in a somewhat surprising fashion.
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Post by mania on Jul 18, 2011 23:15:32 GMT -5
Give me a break with the "It's my opinion poop" it's over played. BREAKING NEWS: Everything you're saying, is in your opinion. the fact is, the only defense you have for this RAW, is bringing up RAW's that were infact MUCH worse, and trust me there's atleast a 3 DVD set of that. And the fact is, the only thing people wanted tonight was answers. Would we all like more wrestling? of course, but not the same god damn people having 2 matches. I didn't tune in to RAW tonight saying "boy oh boy I hope there's 6-7 matches on RAW tonight!". btw good job ignoring what I said, i understand there's no way to argue it.
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Post by L 0 T T 0 on Jul 18, 2011 23:15:50 GMT -5
Guess nobody likes to let things play out anymore. There very well could be a bigger picture in all this. And if Punk's win & Vince's firing are just the beginning then I can't wait to see where things are going. But that's just me. I'd rather watch it then wine about it. Exxxactly.
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Post by mania on Jul 18, 2011 23:17:24 GMT -5
it's good to see there's 2 people above me that have some sense.
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Jul 18, 2011 23:17:47 GMT -5
Ehhhh, not sure how I feel.
I hate that Cena isn't going to be off Television as a Wrestler, but the way they got out of it this time around was logical and was cool, in a way. I hate that CM Punk didn't show up, but next week the Title Match that is going to happen (is it still?) and it gave Punk's words credibility. I still want Punk back for one last Match before he leaves, but keeping him off, if he's coming back, until next week or the week after that makes it seem more legit. The ending was odd because Triple H is all of a sudden an Authority figure before his announcement and now, McMahon is gone after being back for three weeks. I'm just kind of turned off by all the different people who are supposed to be in control, so firing Vince after he just came back and replacing him with Triple H is just more authority figure stuff. I'm looking forward to seeing how WWE/RAW changes, if at all, though.
One thing I did love, no doubt, was Cena's TNA reference. He didn't say the name or even say what night it was on, he simply made a reference that is subtle for those who have no idea what TNA is and it gave people who know what it is reason to actually react positively to a Cena line.
Oh, and the Fully Loaded 1999 stipulation was, for Vince, if Undertaker lost (which he did), then Vince would be banned from appearing on WWF Television. He wasn't fired, as he was tonight.
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Post by kazoosandstreamers on Jul 18, 2011 23:22:19 GMT -5
Just watched it. So, yeah, how bout that ending? ha
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Post by joker123 on Jul 18, 2011 23:23:47 GMT -5
That's not fired, he was banned from TV for 2 months. It's not the same, at all. No, he was fired. He was resigned by Austin (or something like that) after Stephanie went with Triple H. Vince then challenged HHH to a match and lost..poop happen, and then the McMahon-Helmsley Regime was born. No, the stipulation was Vince would never appear on TV again and not interfere in Austin's business. Austin wanted his title shot against HHH, so he allowed Vince to come back.
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Post by joker123 on Jul 18, 2011 23:24:29 GMT -5
What? That happened. Every match ended that way. That's wrong and terrible. What year was that? The night after SummerSlam 1998. Probably THE worst episode of Raw.
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Post by Mike Bockwinkel on Jul 18, 2011 23:29:45 GMT -5
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Post by Dat guy ova der on Jul 18, 2011 23:35:50 GMT -5
I'm not going to argue with anyone about how I'm right and your wrong, my opinion is better, you're never happy, etc. But I haven't seen a better PPV in years in MITB, and I haven't marked out in a long time like I just did when HHH's music hit. I felt very sad when Vince started crying, and believe that Vince might really be giving up some of his power, if he hasn't already. This last month or two have been great! Call me a mark or whatever if you want but I'm happy, and am finally enjoying wrestling again; while you keep watching the show and are seemingly being miserable. Why punish yourselves?
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Post by johnnypoopypants on Jul 18, 2011 23:39:00 GMT -5
The night after SummerSlam 1998. Probably THE worst episode of Raw. So I didn't see a Raw that happened 13 years ago, which means I probably started watching within the last week. Yeah.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 23:55:11 GMT -5
Triple H coming out was great. I loved the ending. Kinda wished he would have fired John Cena anyways lol
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jul 19, 2011 0:06:08 GMT -5
Here's why I didn't much care for Raw, since people are looking for some clarification:
- The way the C.M. Punk angle was handled was COMPLETELY anticimactic and made the past five weeks irrelevant. The whole purpose of the angle was that Punk leaving with the belt would be a huge problem for the WWE. Well, I guess not because we can just have a tournament to crown a new champion the next night! Not only that, but we'll just bring out the same exact belt. They treated it as if nothing happened; and if nothing happened, there was no reason for there to have been any tension involving Punk's title shot in the first place.
- The tournament was INCREDIBLY predictable. Go back to the start of this thread. EVERYBODY said Mysterio vs. Miz in the final.
- The commentary was atrocious on a whole new level. I can't even count on my fingers and toes the number of times things were called "a move" or "a maneuver," or simply called wrong. Cole and King need Josh Mathews back with them because at least he has some knowledge of how to call a WRESTLING match.
- Yes, we had a show full of wrestling, but there was no heat for any of them outside of the opener with Miz and Riley. Why should the crowd care about an R-Truth vs. Jack Swagger match -- two guys who have been losing fairly consistently lately? Why did Rey do nothing to retaliate for ADR unmasking him? The whole "flow" of the night made no sense.
- If they weren't goign to finish the tournament tonight, and it would seem that they would have known that all along, they likely should have just had four quality opening round matches than six thrown-together matches. Once again, there was no climax to the build-up of the evening. The fans were RIGHT to boo Vince for postponing that match they were promised earlier in the evening.
- The ending made no sense whatsoever. Why? What has Vince done in the past few months that was so bad? Not be able to re-sign Punk? THEN SAY THAT'S WHAT IT IS. Kayfabe-wise, there is literally no reason for the Board of Directors to replace Vince because he hasn't done anything in months outside of appearing for the Cena/Punk feud. Other than that, every decision -- good or bad -- has been made by Teddy Long or the Raw GM. If we're going to play it off as it being "shoot," then we DEFINITELY need some reason other than some unknown"questionable decisions" or whatever HHH said. Presidents of companies can get away with a lot. It would take something HUGE for him to be unseated.
I'll give them that I'm interested in seeing where it goes from here, but that's mainly because I've been a fan of wrestling for 12 years and been through far worse than this. But coming off the emotional high that was MITB -- one of the best wrestling shows I have watched in a long, long time -- this was a giant letdown.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 0:09:06 GMT -5
Oh, and Cenas TNA reference was brilliant.
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Post by matteliswin on Jul 19, 2011 0:10:47 GMT -5
i loved the ending. man i couldnt help but feel bad for vince. if that was acting thenn they need a grammy. i hope this leads to something really big and unexpected, maybe HHH convinces CM Punk to sign due to vince no longer being in power and then it turns out HHH and Vince were in on it. Or something like that. i cant wait to see where this goes.
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Post by Micro on Jul 19, 2011 0:21:54 GMT -5
On the surface, it does seem like Raw fell incredibly flat tonight but perhaps that was the whole point. After a spectacular PPV, maybe the only way it could go up further is to drop down like this, make us lose all hope for a moment, and then save the show with that cliffhanger ending.
I wonder if tonight was set up to show that Vince's "same-old-same-old" system won't work anymore and it's time for a drastic change that a lot have been clamoring for. Everything from the rushed tournament, to not recognizing that Punk just took the richest prize in the business, to the one minute 14-Diva random insanity, right down to Vince's pink suit, just seems to overstate that fear that he'd mess things up badly, look like a fool, and not be able to live up to monumental task of following up on MitB. So what better time to fall from grace, get us all riled up, and usher in a new era with so much potential?
Only time will tell but I'm excited to see what unfolds in the coming weeks, at least!
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Post by mania on Jul 19, 2011 1:13:07 GMT -5
Here's why I didn't much care for Raw, since people are looking for some clarification: - The way the C.M. Punk angle was handled was COMPLETELY anticimactic and made the past five weeks irrelevant. The whole purpose of the angle was that Punk leaving with the belt would be a huge problem for the WWE. Well, I guess not because we can just have a tournament to crown a new champion the next night! Not only that, but we'll just bring out the same exact belt. They treated it as if nothing happened; and if nothing happened, there was no reason for there to have been any tension involving Punk's title shot in the first place. - The tournament was INCREDIBLY predictable. Go back to the start of this thread. EVERYBODY said Mysterio vs. Miz in the final. - The commentary was atrocious on a whole new level. I can't even count on my fingers and toes the number of times things were called "a move" or "a maneuver," or simply called wrong. Cole and King need Josh Mathews back with them because at least he has some knowledge of how to call a WRESTLING match. - Yes, we had a show full of wrestling, but there was no heat for any of them outside of the opener with Miz and Riley. Why should the crowd care about an R-Truth vs. Jack Swagger match -- two guys who have been losing fairly consistently lately? Why did Rey do nothing to retaliate for ADR unmasking him? The whole "flow" of the night made no sense. - If they weren't goign to finish the tournament tonight, and it would seem that they would have known that all along, they likely should have just had four quality opening round matches than six thrown-together matches. Once again, there was no climax to the build-up of the evening. The fans were RIGHT to boo Vince for postponing that match they were promised earlier in the evening. - The ending made no sense whatsoever. Why? What has Vince done in the past few months that was so bad? Not be able to re-sign Punk? THEN SAY THAT'S WHAT IT IS. Kayfabe-wise, there is literally no reason for the Board of Directors to replace Vince because he hasn't done anything in months outside of appearing for the Cena/Punk feud. Other than that, every decision -- good or bad -- has been made by Teddy Long or the Raw GM. If we're going to play it off as it being "shoot," then we DEFINITELY need some reason other than some unknown"questionable decisions" or whatever HHH said. Presidents of companies can get away with a lot. It would take something HUGE for him to be unseated. I'll give them that I'm interested in seeing where it goes from here, but that's mainly because I've been a fan of wrestling for 12 years and been through far worse than this. But coming off the emotional high that was MITB -- one of the best wrestling shows I have watched in a long, long time -- this was a giant letdown. you sir, summed up my thoughts from top to bottom. i applaud you
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