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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jul 19, 2011 15:22:52 GMT -5
Here's why I didn't much care for Raw, since people are looking for some clarification: - The way the C.M. Punk angle was handled was COMPLETELY anticimactic and made the past five weeks irrelevant. The whole purpose of the angle was that Punk leaving with the belt would be a huge problem for the WWE. Well, I guess not because we can just have a tournament to crown a new champion the next night! Not only that, but we'll just bring out the same exact belt. They treated it as if nothing happened; and if nothing happened, there was no reason for there to have been any tension involving Punk's title shot in the first place. - The tournament was INCREDIBLY predictable. Go back to the start of this thread. EVERYBODY said Mysterio vs. Miz in the final. - The commentary was atrocious on a whole new level. I can't even count on my fingers and toes the number of times things were called "a move" or "a maneuver," or simply called wrong. Cole and King need Josh Mathews back with them because at least he has some knowledge of how to call a WRESTLING match. - Yes, we had a show full of wrestling, but there was no heat for any of them outside of the opener with Miz and Riley. Why should the crowd care about an R-Truth vs. Jack Swagger match -- two guys who have been losing fairly consistently lately? Why did Rey do nothing to retaliate for ADR unmasking him? The whole "flow" of the night made no sense. - If they weren't goign to finish the tournament tonight, and it would seem that they would have known that all along, they likely should have just had four quality opening round matches than six thrown-together matches. Once again, there was no climax to the build-up of the evening. The fans were RIGHT to boo Vince for postponing that match they were promised earlier in the evening. - The ending made no sense whatsoever. Why? What has Vince done in the past few months that was so bad? Not be able to re-sign Punk? THEN SAY THAT'S WHAT IT IS. Kayfabe-wise, there is literally no reason for the Board of Directors to replace Vince because he hasn't done anything in months outside of appearing for the Cena/Punk feud. Other than that, every decision -- good or bad -- has been made by Teddy Long or the Raw GM. If we're going to play it off as it being "shoot," then we DEFINITELY need some reason other than some unknown"questionable decisions" or whatever HHH said. Presidents of companies can get away with a lot. It would take something HUGE for him to be unseated. I'll give them that I'm interested in seeing where it goes from here, but that's mainly because I've been a fan of wrestling for 12 years and been through far worse than this. But coming off the emotional high that was MITB -- one of the best wrestling shows I have watched in a long, long time -- this was a giant letdown. Reposting this because I would love someone to tell me how I'm wrong on any of these points. I'm definitely not one of those "WORST RAW EVER!!!11" people, but it was definitely a huge letdown.
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Post by zappa2510 on Jul 19, 2011 15:24:22 GMT -5
they say the stocks wasnt down that much today. but they should have thought things over much better like when trump "bought" raw a few years back to what effect it would have on the company in general.
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Post by JedsWorld on Jul 19, 2011 15:25:29 GMT -5
Here's why I didn't much care for Raw, since people are looking for some clarification: - The way the C.M. Punk angle was handled was COMPLETELY anticimactic and made the past five weeks irrelevant. The whole purpose of the angle was that Punk leaving with the belt would be a huge problem for the WWE. Well, I guess not because we can just have a tournament to crown a new champion the next night! Not only that, but we'll just bring out the same exact belt. They treated it as if nothing happened; and if nothing happened, there was no reason for there to have been any tension involving Punk's title shot in the first place. - The tournament was INCREDIBLY predictable. Go back to the start of this thread. EVERYBODY said Mysterio vs. Miz in the final. - The commentary was atrocious on a whole new level. I can't even count on my fingers and toes the number of times things were called "a move" or "a maneuver," or simply called wrong. Cole and King need Josh Mathews back with them because at least he has some knowledge of how to call a WRESTLING match. - Yes, we had a show full of wrestling, but there was no heat for any of them outside of the opener with Miz and Riley. Why should the crowd care about an R-Truth vs. Jack Swagger match -- two guys who have been losing fairly consistently lately? Why did Rey do nothing to retaliate for ADR unmasking him? The whole "flow" of the night made no sense. - If they weren't goign to finish the tournament tonight, and it would seem that they would have known that all along, they likely should have just had four quality opening round matches than six thrown-together matches. Once again, there was no climax to the build-up of the evening. The fans were RIGHT to boo Vince for postponing that match they were promised earlier in the evening. - The ending made no sense whatsoever. Why? What has Vince done in the past few months that was so bad? Not be able to re-sign Punk? THEN SAY THAT'S WHAT IT IS. Kayfabe-wise, there is literally no reason for the Board of Directors to replace Vince because he hasn't done anything in months outside of appearing for the Cena/Punk feud. Other than that, every decision -- good or bad -- has been made by Teddy Long or the Raw GM. If we're going to play it off as it being "shoot," then we DEFINITELY need some reason other than some unknown"questionable decisions" or whatever HHH said. Presidents of companies can get away with a lot. It would take something HUGE for him to be unseated. I'll give them that I'm interested in seeing where it goes from here, but that's mainly because I've been a fan of wrestling for 12 years and been through far worse than this. But coming off the emotional high that was MITB -- one of the best wrestling shows I have watched in a long, long time -- this was a giant letdown. Reposting this because I would love someone to tell me how I'm wrong on any of these points. I'm definitely not one of those "WORST RAW EVER!!!11" people, but it was definitely a huge letdown. You want somebody to start an argument with you?
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jul 19, 2011 15:36:43 GMT -5
Reposting this because I would love someone to tell me how I'm wrong on any of these points. I'm definitely not one of those "WORST RAW EVER!!!11" people, but it was definitely a huge letdown. You want somebody to start an argument with you? There's something with debating on a message board these days?
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Post by JedsWorld on Jul 19, 2011 15:39:56 GMT -5
You want somebody to start an argument with you? There's something with debating on a message board these days? No… don’t take a shot at me dude Im just sayin’ Most people won’t debate that point with you as your wanting… They’ll just argue with you - the way you posted your last post will only warrant and argument.
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Post by roddypiper on Jul 19, 2011 18:50:48 GMT -5
That would have been great had he said this.
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Post by No Brokeback on Jul 19, 2011 20:32:47 GMT -5
I was wrong about Fully Loaded. He was banned from TV. However, ironically, this is the same exact month (different PPV name) that he was banned from WWE TV12 years ago.
Also. TNA- Dixie Carter gets released of her duties by Hulk Hogan and Bischoff WWE- Vince McMahon gets released of his duties by Triple H.
OH YEAH!
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Post by 1992 on Jul 19, 2011 20:50:25 GMT -5
I was wrong about Fully Loaded. He was banned from TV. However, ironically, this is the same exact month (different PPV name) that he was banned from WWE TV12 years ago. Also. TNA- Dixie Carter gets released of her duties by Hulk Hogan and Bischoff WWE- Vince McMahon gets released of his duties by Triple H. OH YEAH! In all the time I've been on here, not since JSYN's hardcore troll days have I seen some grasp at straws and try as hard as you do.
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Post by roddypiper on Jul 19, 2011 21:00:36 GMT -5
Here's why I didn't much care for Raw, since people are looking for some clarification: - The way the C.M. Punk angle was handled was COMPLETELY anticimactic and made the past five weeks irrelevant. The whole purpose of the angle was that Punk leaving with the belt would be a huge problem for the WWE. Well, I guess not because we can just have a tournament to crown a new champion the next night! Not only that, but we'll just bring out the same exact belt. They treated it as if nothing happened; and if nothing happened, there was no reason for there to have been any tension involving Punk's title shot in the first place. - The tournament was INCREDIBLY predictable. Go back to the start of this thread. EVERYBODY said Mysterio vs. Miz in the final. - The commentary was atrocious on a whole new level. I can't even count on my fingers and toes the number of times things were called "a move" or "a maneuver," or simply called wrong. Cole and King need Josh Mathews back with them because at least he has some knowledge of how to call a WRESTLING match. - Yes, we had a show full of wrestling, but there was no heat for any of them outside of the opener with Miz and Riley. Why should the crowd care about an R-Truth vs. Jack Swagger match -- two guys who have been losing fairly consistently lately? Why did Rey do nothing to retaliate for ADR unmasking him? The whole "flow" of the night made no sense. - If they weren't goign to finish the tournament tonight, and it would seem that they would have known that all along, they likely should have just had four quality opening round matches than six thrown-together matches. Once again, there was no climax to the build-up of the evening. The fans were RIGHT to boo Vince for postponing that match they were promised earlier in the evening. - The ending made no sense whatsoever. Why? What has Vince done in the past few months that was so bad? Not be able to re-sign Punk? THEN SAY THAT'S WHAT IT IS. Kayfabe-wise, there is literally no reason for the Board of Directors to replace Vince because he hasn't done anything in months outside of appearing for the Cena/Punk feud. Other than that, every decision -- good or bad -- has been made by Teddy Long or the Raw GM. If we're going to play it off as it being "shoot," then we DEFINITELY need some reason other than some unknown"questionable decisions" or whatever HHH said. Presidents of companies can get away with a lot. It would take something HUGE for him to be unseated. I'll give them that I'm interested in seeing where it goes from here, but that's mainly because I've been a fan of wrestling for 12 years and been through far worse than this. But coming off the emotional high that was MITB -- one of the best wrestling shows I have watched in a long, long time -- this was a giant letdown. Reposting this because I would love someone to tell me how I'm wrong on any of these points. I'm definitely not one of those "WORST RAW EVER!!!11" people, but it was definitely a huge letdown. K, i'll bite as long as this remains a respectful debate... Iam going to go in order here by your points... Firstly... Punk leaving with the belt ius a big deal.. Vince lost his job because of it.. now on to the debate.. The Tourney was predictable honestly.. I can not debate that. I would've went with a battle royal or something... The commentary did blow as well... I think with the amount of times people have unmasked rey he is probably tired of getting revenge against them. Some of the matches had heat..some did not... why should we care about Swagger and truth is right. As I stated battle royal would've been nice Lets just skip to the only thing with room to debate... The ending... What Vince did that was so bad was this... He put Punk back in the match thus risking Punk walking out with the title. Then on top of that he was going to fire Cena had he lost. So, the board would risk losing their title...and their biggest money earner... a double no-no... Vince kind of cost Cena the match by trying to help him. Had he stayed out...who knows what would have happened. Thus a vote of no confidence was made and rightfully so. So, it was not failing to sign Punk that was bad. It was pretty much handing him the title, letting him leave. Then trying to get rid of their top guy for him ing up.
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Post by No Brokeback on Jul 19, 2011 23:47:04 GMT -5
I was wrong about Fully Loaded. He was banned from TV. However, ironically, this is the same exact month (different PPV name) that he was banned from WWE TV12 years ago. Also. TNA- Dixie Carter gets released of her duties by Hulk Hogan and Bischoff WWE- Vince McMahon gets released of his duties by Triple H. OH YEAH! In all the time I've been on here, not since JSYN's hardcore troll days have I seen some grasp at straws and try as hard as you do. If that is trying hard, then I wonder how it would feel actually putting effort into something. Because ..well, damn. I didn't try hard at all. Pathetic storyline
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Post by fattic on Jul 20, 2011 1:41:51 GMT -5
rutz where the did you come from?? titz?! hahah i still dont know. #randomrockreturn
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Post by mania on Jul 20, 2011 1:53:32 GMT -5
makin me tear up, i need a tissy
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Post by Mr. McCluer on Jul 25, 2011 20:30:14 GMT -5
Crackin' the bubble' is totally PG. Haaha in any even congrats Rey Mysterio! That's awesome. But I'm expecting something to still happen with Triple H and Punk. Tonight is a good night on Raw.
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Post by Fave on Jul 25, 2011 20:31:23 GMT -5
Crackin' the bubble' is totally PG. Haaha in any even congrats Rey Mysterio! That's awesome. But I'm expecting something to still happen with Triple H and Punk. Tonight is a good night on Raw. wrong thread mate.
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Post by KeBen Owens on Jul 25, 2011 20:32:26 GMT -5
Vince's tears is how Rey feels when he turns the belt around and sees "Figures Inc." stamped on the back.
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Post by Rob on Jul 25, 2011 20:34:59 GMT -5
NEW THEMEEEE
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Post by Planktung on Jul 25, 2011 20:35:19 GMT -5
FINALLY!!! The Downstait theme!!!
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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Jul 25, 2011 20:35:42 GMT -5
THEME
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Post by Rob on Jul 25, 2011 20:36:17 GMT -5
New theme is 10x better than the last one
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