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Post by dante123 on Dec 16, 2011 12:36:34 GMT -5
Former World Heavyweight Champion Batista spoke with The Daily Star in the UK to promote The Scorpion King 3 and talk about his MMA career. Here are some highlights:
The current WWE product:
“It’s brutal. I can’t watch it. I can’t connect with it. I no longer know this business. I don’t do PG wrestling.”
The Miz and today’s Superstars:
“Love me or hate me, when I was there everyone took one look at me and knew I could beat someone up. I don’t think they look at Miz that way.”
“It’s sad. It’s not their fault. These days the guys have their hands tied, they are so limited in what they can do. The difference is that guys like Rock, Austin, Triple H, excuse me, but they had to have the living sh*t beat out of them to get where they are. They went through war and the audience knows it and the audience appreciates it. The guys today will never get to that level. It’s sad, but that’s the reason for it.”
source:prowrestlingscoops.com
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Post by carling27 on Dec 16, 2011 12:40:21 GMT -5
I no longer know this business
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 16, 2011 12:46:03 GMT -5
I'll take Urijah Faber in a fight against Dave Batista any day of the week. A guys look doesn't dictate his ability to beat your ass. His ability to beat your ass dictates his ability to beat your ass. It's about booking, it's always been about booking, and will always be about booking.
Batista can't relate to a PG era because he is a one dimensional character. End of story imo. Batista was the mid 2000s version of the Ultimate Warrior, only Warrior was way more cool.
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Dec 16, 2011 12:53:18 GMT -5
I do actually agree with him.
You look at Tista, and you knew he could kick ass, now, look at someone like Miz and, well he doesn't. He seems he's in it for the money and fame and thats it.
And I agree with people now not really having to pay dues are whatever, if your perpared to do talk shows and can speak, your pushed, never mind your WRESTLING ability. And before all the Punk bandwagoner's jump all over me, Punk got pushed because he can talk, but also because he can wrestle (and because he was smart business-wise).
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 16, 2011 13:00:03 GMT -5
I do actually agree with him. You look at Tista, and you knew he could kick ass, now, look at someone like Miz and, well he doesn't. He seems he's in it for the money and fame and thats it. And I agree with people now not really having to pay dues are whatever, if your perpared to do talk shows and can speak, your pushed, never mind your WRESTLING ability. And before all the Punk bandwagoner's jump all over me, Punk got pushed because he can talk, but also because he can wrestle (and because he was smart business-wise). What "dues" did Batista pay? Being put in Evolution and then being pushed to the moon right out of developmental? Sounds rough. He was a world champion in the biggest promotion in the world only 5 years after he learned how to run the  ing ropes. |
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Post by Barrett on Dec 16, 2011 13:01:05 GMT -5
The current WWE product: “It’s brutal. I can’t watch it. I can’t connect with it. I no longer know this business. I don’t do PG wrestling.” Pretty sure you were one of the stars of PG wrestling for about two years. |
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Dec 16, 2011 13:17:27 GMT -5
I do actually agree with him. You look at Tista, and you knew he could kick ass, now, look at someone like Miz and, well he doesn't. He seems he's in it for the money and fame and thats it. And I agree with people now not really having to pay dues are whatever, if your perpared to do talk shows and can speak, your pushed, never mind your WRESTLING ability. And before all the Punk bandwagoner's jump all over me, Punk got pushed because he can talk, but also because he can wrestle (and because he was smart business-wise). What "dues" did Batista pay? Being put in Evolution and then being pushed to the moon right out of developmental? Sounds rough. He was a world champion in the biggest promotion in the world only 5 years after he learned how to run the ing ropes. Now I get what your saying, but in his time, he put on some good matches, he was legitimatly over when they pulled the trigger too, he wasn't pushed to see if he could get a reaction like so many are now, he was pushed cause he got the reaction. But I do get what your saying, maybe he did have it easy at times, but he was getting the reaction, it was justified. |
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Dec 16, 2011 13:20:09 GMT -5
I do actually agree with him. You look at Tista, and you knew he could kick ass, now, look at someone like Miz and, well he doesn't. He seems he's in it for the money and fame and thats it. And I agree with people now not really having to pay dues are whatever, if your perpared to do talk shows and can speak, your pushed, never mind your WRESTLING ability. And before all the Punk bandwagoner's jump all over me, Punk got pushed because he can talk, but also because he can wrestle (and because he was smart business-wise). You can't compare The Miz with Batista. The Miz is someone that will do whatever it takes to win, and most of the times, it has to be cheating. It's not like The Miz gets clean wins all the time. |
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Post by ohernan6 on Dec 16, 2011 13:21:11 GMT -5
I agree with Batista. I think the Miz headlining Wrestlemania, or even holding a world championship is ridiculous!
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Post by inrogers29 on Dec 16, 2011 13:25:23 GMT -5
I agree with Batista. I think the Miz headlining Wrestlemania, or even holding a world championship is ridiculous! Hm, why is everyone crapting on the Miz, because of his size? Shawn Michaels: 6'1 225 lbs The Miz: 6'2 220 lbs. The Miz is actually an inch taller and about the same weight as Shawn Michaels, and I don't remember anyone caring about Shawn's size when he main evented several Wrestlemanias and is known as one of, if not the greatest in the world. I'm not comparing their ability in the ring, but if your going to tell me Shawn Michaels is believable enough for you, but Miz isn't, that's ridiculous. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 16, 2011 13:27:03 GMT -5
What "dues" did Batista pay? Being put in Evolution and then being pushed to the moon right out of developmental? Sounds rough. He was a world champion in the biggest promotion in the world only 5 years after he learned how to run the ing ropes. Now I get what your saying, but in his time, he put on some good matches, he was legitimatly over when they pulled the trigger too, he wasn't pushed to see if he could get a reaction like so many are now, he was pushed cause he got the reaction. But I do get what your saying, maybe he did have it easy at times, but he was getting the reaction, it was justified. Oh, he was definitely getting the reaction. But it was 100% because of his look because he was a juiced monster. He ended up being a far superior talker than he was a wrestler. However, if that actually worked today then Mason Ryan would be a top draw over a guy like CM Punk. It's about to be 2012. If that was relevant then Big Show wouldn't have to wrestle anyone because he is so big they would just give him every title. Wrestlers are there to tell a story, a story of why they are who they are. Just because Batista did that through his muscles doesn't mean that's the way it should be done. Rey Mysterio would like to say hello, and Rey is a way bigger draw than Batista ever was at any point. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 16, 2011 13:28:16 GMT -5
I agree with Batista. I think the Miz headlining Wrestlemania, or even holding a world championship is ridiculous! Hm, why is everyone poopting on the Miz, because of his size? Shawn Michaels: 6'1 225 lbs The Miz: 6'2 220 lbs. The Miz is actually an inch taller and about the same weight as Shawn Michaels, and I don't remember anyone caring about Shawn's size when he main evented several Wrestlemanias and is known as one of, if not the greatest in the world. I'm not comparing their ability in the ring, but if your going to tell me Shawn Michaels is believable enough for you, but Miz isn't, that's ridiculous. Stop making so much sense, you're making Batista look like a ing moron... |
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Post by ohernan6 on Dec 16, 2011 13:30:17 GMT -5
I agree with Batista. I think the Miz headlining Wrestlemania, or even holding a world championship is ridiculous! Hm, why is everyone poopting on the Miz, because of his size? Shawn Michaels: 6'1 225 lbs The Miz: 6'2 220 lbs. The Miz is actually an inch taller and about the same weight as Shawn Michaels, and I don't remember anyone caring about Shawn's size when he main evented several Wrestlemanias and is known as one of, if not the greatest in the world. I'm not comparing their ability in the ring, but if your going to tell me Shawn Michaels is believable enough for you, but Miz isn't, that's ridiculous. No, I'm including skills in my observation. If HBK had Miz's skills, I wouldn't believe him to be believable either. I could buy Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero, and Jericho as champions because I see how they get down in the ring, but Miz hasn't made me believe that he could beat a big guy like Batista or Kane... If he puts in more work, then maybe one day I'll think otherwise.... |
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 16, 2011 13:33:00 GMT -5
Hm, why is everyone poopting on the Miz, because of his size? Shawn Michaels: 6'1 225 lbs The Miz: 6'2 220 lbs. The Miz is actually an inch taller and about the same weight as Shawn Michaels, and I don't remember anyone caring about Shawn's size when he main evented several Wrestlemanias and is known as one of, if not the greatest in the world. I'm not comparing their ability in the ring, but if your going to tell me Shawn Michaels is believable enough for you, but Miz isn't, that's ridiculous. No, I'm including skills in my observation. If HBK had Miz's skills, I wouldn't believe him to be believable either. I could buy Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero, and Jericho as champions because I see how they get down in the ring, but Miz hasn't made me believe that he could beat a big guy like Batista or Kane... If he puts in more work, then maybe one day I'll think otherwise.... That's perfectly good reasoning too imo. Miz's ring work still isn't there either imo. He talks like a main eventer but wrestles like a mid carder. So I definitely see that point of view. |
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Post by inrogers29 on Dec 16, 2011 13:37:29 GMT -5
Hm, why is everyone poopting on the Miz, because of his size? Shawn Michaels: 6'1 225 lbs The Miz: 6'2 220 lbs. The Miz is actually an inch taller and about the same weight as Shawn Michaels, and I don't remember anyone caring about Shawn's size when he main evented several Wrestlemanias and is known as one of, if not the greatest in the world. I'm not comparing their ability in the ring, but if your going to tell me Shawn Michaels is believable enough for you, but Miz isn't, that's ridiculous. No, I'm including skills in my observation. If HBK had Miz's skills, I wouldn't believe him to be believable either. I could buy Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero, and Jericho as champions because I see how they get down in the ring, but Miz hasn't made me believe that he could beat a big guy like Batista or Kane... If he puts in more work, then maybe one day I'll think otherwise.... Perhaps I shouldn't have quoted you specifically, but more so Batista's quote when Batista says "everyone took one look at me and knew I could beat someone up. I don't think they look at Miz that way", Batista means literally Miz's look. He isn't taken into account Miz's wrestling ability or in ring style, just simply his size. Batista sees that he is under 230 lbs and immediately thinks of him as inferior to his look. Other people in this thread saying Miz isn't believable were probably the same people saying OMFG YES PUNK WINS at Money in the Bank. Newsflash: CM Punk is smaller than Miz. |
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Dec 16, 2011 13:40:50 GMT -5
I agree with Batista. The business isn't what it used to be. These guys don't have any unique looks. Bret Hart even said this in a recent interview these current guys are very "cookie cutter". They all have similar looks, have the 6 pack abs. Gimme another King Kong Bundy Check it out below.
To get back to Batista he hit it on the nose. The writing staff and management are limiting the guys today. There are so many restrictions now a days. Its Pro-wrestling, the idea of anything can happen was what made it great.
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Post by ohernan6 on Dec 16, 2011 13:43:39 GMT -5
No, I'm including skills in my observation. If HBK had Miz's skills, I wouldn't believe him to be believable either. I could buy Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero, and Jericho as champions because I see how they get down in the ring, but Miz hasn't made me believe that he could beat a big guy like Batista or Kane... If he puts in more work, then maybe one day I'll think otherwise.... Perhaps I shouldn't have quoted you specifically, but more so Batista's quote when Batista says "everyone took one look at me and knew I could beat someone up. I don't think they look at Miz that way", Batista means literally Miz's look. He isn't taken into account Miz's wrestling ability or in ring style, just simply his size. Batista sees that he is under 230 lbs and immediately thinks of him as inferior to his look. Other people in this thread saying Miz isn't believable were probably the same people saying OMFG YES PUNK WINS at Money in the Bank. Newsflash: CM Punk is smaller than Miz. You have a good point, Batista was speaking about physical appearance. All skills aside though, it would help if Miz would add more intimidation into his character. When the time comes, guys like Punk & Jericho will will give a look where they look like they will straight out punch you in the face if you mess with them. I haven't seen that in the Miz yet... |
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Dec 16, 2011 13:55:51 GMT -5
I totally agree with Batista when he says the current product is brutal and can't watch it. Those facts are dead on. I'm glad I stopped watching because current PG WWE sucks. I hear bits and pieces about it from a buddy a work and I just shake my head and say "wow"....
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Post by Rated NC-17 on Dec 16, 2011 13:56:25 GMT -5
No one in the WWE goes through an all out WAR, so it's hard to connect with them. TO the audience, it looks like The Miz is just an actor trying to be a wrestler cutting his weird promos in that fake voice. Compared to when Stone Cold used to just rip promos like a badass. There is no one like that anymore, no one at that level.
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Post by Brankind on Dec 16, 2011 14:11:30 GMT -5
I agree with Batista. I think the Miz headlining Wrestlemania, or even holding a world championship is ridiculous! Hm, why is everyone poopting on the Miz, because of his size? Shawn Michaels: 6'1 225 lbs The Miz: 6'2 220 lbs. The Miz is actually an inch taller and about the same weight as Shawn Michaels, and I don't remember anyone caring about Shawn's size when he main evented several Wrestlemanias and is known as one of, if not the greatest in the world. I'm not comparing their ability in the ring, but if your going to tell me Shawn Michaels is believable enough for you, but Miz isn't, that's ridiculous. Then he must not have thought much of the 6'1 Ric Flair Also Chris Jericho 6'0 , Eddie Guerrero 5'8, Bret Hart 6'1 and Kurt Angle 5'10 all have similar body types int hat there were not 6'6 juiceheads. There were all guys there were watched for everything else Not saying the Miz is ont he same level , but you get my point |
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