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Post by Kliquid on Nov 2, 2012 0:50:01 GMT -5
Not like Romney. And I honestly feel that quite a bit of the people who have a problem with President Obama, some of their issues are deeply rooted race issues. Yes I went there. How often was it uttered that "Hell will freeze over before this country has a black president."? I couldn't even begin to tell you how many times I heard that. And that goes for a black man or a female president - which could be next if Hilary runs. And people are voting for Romney to simply try and force President Obama from office. Doesn't matter who it is, we'll vote for him as long as the black man is gone. That's the general belief of just about everyone in my family. I am one of, if not the only, person in my entire family that is proudly supporting President Obama come this Tuesday. Now I know there are those who disagree with President Obama's policies and that's fine. No one is going to like every single thing the President does. No matter who it is. But a majority of those that I personally know who are voting Romney strictly to get President Obama out of office are those who I personally have heard say that President Obama shouldn't have even been able to run because of the color of his skin, and that's including those saying that from my own family. Side note: I do not mean to offend by this post, just simply stating what I believe, based on the actions of those I know. [Cue Kliquid and his s'planation about how awful both candidates are, how Gary Johnson is the best, and how race is not a factor to those who dislike President Obama.  .] [M'kay I may have added that last one but I fully expect a rant on how both candidates are awful and how Gary Johnson is the best choice.] I was just going to let this one go because yes, you're right - there is a small fraction of people who hate Obama because he's black. Then again, can we also be real and admit that there is a fraction of people who voted FOR Obama because he's black? I know everyone always wants to play the race card when it's a negative, but it's just as racist to vote for someone because of their race than it is to vote against someone because of their race. |
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 2, 2012 0:52:48 GMT -5
And if you want to get into a true philosophical debate, yes, there are at least two third party candidates whom I would support over either Obama or Romney. At this point, I don't know who I dislike more between Romney and Obama. Obama's economic policy is worse and their foreign policy is essentially the same... But I haven't been so blatantly  ed over by Obama as I was by Romney at the RNC. |
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Post by BCizzle on Nov 2, 2012 1:18:59 GMT -5
And if you want to get into a true philosophical debate, yes, there are at least two third party candidates whom I would support over either Obama or Romney. At this point, I don't know who I dislike more between Romney and Obama. Obama's economic policy is worse and their foreign policy is essentially the same... But I haven't been so blatantly ed over by Obama as I was by Romney at the RNC. Lemme guess, Gary Johnson and that goof Virgil Goode? Whether Obama or Romney wins, I will take comfort in the fact that whoever you support had no chance in hell. |
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 2, 2012 1:30:46 GMT -5
Lemme guess, Gary Johnson and that goof Virgil Goode? Whether Obama or Romney wins, I will take comfort in the fact that whoever you support had no chance in hell. LoL, I'm glad that I mean so much to you. Enjoy your little two party system where you think your vote actually makes a difference, bud. Where you think that the Democrats and Republicans are actually battling one another for the good of the country versus creating an atmosphere where they know that no new ideas will actually be brought to the table. Let me know when you want to debate the actual topics. And please, explain to me why Barack Obama is better than Mitt Romney. |
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Nov 2, 2012 12:27:54 GMT -5
Oh boy. Another Republican that endorses President Obama [or works with] gets slammed for that support.
Fox News ripped NJ Gov. Chris Christie apart because he said he had zero interest in touring the hurricane damage with Mitt Romney and he toured the area with President Obama when the President came to the area.
Bill O'Reilly said the only reason that Gen. Colin Powell endorsed President Obama was because they're both black. Yeah it's always Democrats playing the race card.
And now Rand Paul ripped apart NYC Mayor Bloomberg because Bloomberg is voting for President Obama. He said "We can't even get a decent sized soda in NYC anymore so nothing he does is very Republican anymore."
I would seriously be embarrassed to be linked to jackasses like this.....they don't even have loyalty to their own party members. What makes people think that they'll have loyalty to them if the Republican party gets elected?
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Post by BCizzle on Nov 2, 2012 12:44:34 GMT -5
Let me know when you want to debate the actual topics. And please, explain to me why Barack Obama is better than Mitt Romney. I've never seen you debate the actual topics. I've just seen you rant and rave and "prove" how much smarter you are than everybody else. All Democrats and Republicans are crooks and anyone who supports any of them is a blind sheep, right? I like Obama better because Romney is a smug dick. If you hate America so much, go live somewhere else. Go live on an island in a shack where you can be free of government tyranny and care only about yourself. You can take Val Venis and Kane with you. |
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Post by BCizzle on Nov 2, 2012 12:47:10 GMT -5
Bill O'Reilly said the only reason that Gen. Colin Powell endorsed President Obama was because they're both black. Yeah it's always Democrats playing the race card. And now Rand Paul ripped apart NYC Mayor Bloomberg because Bloomberg is voting for President Obama. He said "We can't even get a decent sized soda in NYC anymore so nothing he does is very Republican anymore." I thought John Sununu was the one who said that about Powell? Anyway, consider the sources. O'Reilly, Sununu, Rand Paul - a bunch of nasty jerks badmouthing people. The sad thing is that it seems like America has plenty of nasty jerks who support that type of behavior. |
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Nov 2, 2012 13:38:37 GMT -5
You know, I'm not gonna mention any names in this post, because to be honest, I don't live in the US and I don't know a single thing about US politics, but let me tell you this.
Kliquid is right in so many of the things I've read here. I think that people may or may not vote for Obama for the single reason he is black. In the presidential election we had this year, there was a woman running in what we call one of the strongest parties. People were voting for her because she was in that party, but mainly because she was a woman. Most of the people didn't knew a single thing about her. They didn't care about her projects or anything else, just that she was a woman.
As far as wasting votes goes, I've seen that people in the US vote either Democratic or Republican. Why is that? We used to live by that standard here too with the PRI and PAN respectively. Things changed as a new party came in on 1988. This year, that party, which I think I could compare to the Libertarians, became the second (arguably the first, since there is talk of a fraud) strongest force in our country. Think about it. How many people could be thinking "I'd love to vote for .... but he/she has no chance". If all of you actually voted for them, you could end with a whole different story.
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Post by BCizzle on Nov 2, 2012 15:54:54 GMT -5
You know, I'm not gonna mention any names in this post, because to be honest, I don't live in the US and I don't know a single thing about US politics, but let me tell you this. Kliquid is right in so many of the things I've read here. I think that people may or may not vote for Obama for the single reason he is black. In the presidential election we had this year, there was a woman running in what we call one of the strongest parties. People were voting for her because she was in that party, but mainly because she was a woman. Most of the people didn't knew a single thing about her. They didn't care about her projects or anything else, just that she was a woman. As far as wasting votes goes, I've seen that people in the US vote either Democratic or Republican. Why is that? We used to live by that standard here too with the PRI and PAN respectively. Things changed as a new party came in on 1988. This year, that party, which I think I could compare to the Libertarians, became the second (arguably the first, since there is talk of a fraud) strongest force in our country. Think about it. How many people could be thinking "I'd love to vote for .... but he/she has no chance". If all of you actually voted for them, you could end with a whole different story. I voted for Ralph Nader. I don't like the 2 party system. But none of the third party candidates hold any appeal to me this year. And I sure as hell am not voting Libertarian ever - I don't like what they stand for at all. But if you think Kliquid is right about so many things than I guess you're drinking the Kilq Kool-Aid. And what about the people who actually believe in the ideals of the Democrat or Repulican party? Seems like it's easy to just put people down to build yourself up. |
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Nov 2, 2012 17:18:11 GMT -5
You know, I'm not gonna mention any names in this post, because to be honest, I don't live in the US and I don't know a single thing about US politics, but let me tell you this. Kliquid is right in so many of the things I've read here. I think that people may or may not vote for Obama for the single reason he is black. In the presidential election we had this year, there was a woman running in what we call one of the strongest parties. People were voting for her because she was in that party, but mainly because she was a woman. Most of the people didn't knew a single thing about her. They didn't care about her projects or anything else, just that she was a woman. As far as wasting votes goes, I've seen that people in the US vote either Democratic or Republican. Why is that? We used to live by that standard here too with the PRI and PAN respectively. Things changed as a new party came in on 1988. This year, that party, which I think I could compare to the Libertarians, became the second (arguably the first, since there is talk of a fraud) strongest force in our country. Think about it. How many people could be thinking "I'd love to vote for .... but he/she has no chance". If all of you actually voted for them, you could end with a whole different story. I voted for Ralph Nader. I don't like the 2 party system. But none of the third party candidates hold any appeal to me this year. And I sure as hell am not voting Libertarian ever - I don't like what they stand for at all. But if you think Kliquid is right about so many things than I guess you're drinking the Kilq Kool-Aid. And what about the people who actually believe in the ideals of the Democrat or Repulican party? Seems like it's easy to just put people down to build yourself up. Well, as far as that last thing goes, as I said, I don't know much about US politics, but in Mexico, you just can't vote for a party. It's a big mistake, because the ideals, or the party, are not the ones who will be in office, but the candidate will. |
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Post by Adam on Nov 2, 2012 21:10:28 GMT -5
Why Romney didn't pick this guy for VP is beyond me.
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Post by robinsonben36 on Nov 2, 2012 22:33:58 GMT -5
I don't get why Christie didn't run for President himself. He's a much more dynamic speaker and personality than Romney is. Unless something unusual happens, I'd be surprised if he didn't make a serious bid for office in 2016.
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Post by Razor-toothed™ on Nov 2, 2012 23:12:24 GMT -5
I voted for Ralph Nader. I don't like the 2 party system. But none of the third party candidates hold any appeal to me this year. And I sure as hell am not voting Libertarian ever - I don't like what they stand for at all. But if you think Kliquid is right about so many things than I guess you're drinking the Kilq Kool-Aid. And what about the people who actually believe in the ideals of the Democrat or Repulican party? Seems like it's easy to just put people down to build yourself up. Well, as far as that last thing goes, as I said, I don't know much about US politics, but in Mexico, you just can't vote for a party. It's a big mistake, because the ideals, or the party, are not the ones who will be in office, but the candidate will. Same goes for the U.S system not the party only the candidate runs the country; the candidate shares many, but not all views, with their party. You said you're from Mexico, does your vote actually matter there? I mean aren't those elections fixed? |
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 3, 2012 0:42:10 GMT -5
If you don't think I've talked about the issues, you obviously don't pay much attention.
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Post by DemonsWiLL on Nov 3, 2012 6:24:51 GMT -5
Whats with people lately talking about how much of a jerk Romney is? That an how he doesn't like women/or against them? How in the hell if you can say Romney is a jerk or smug is beyond me. Everytime he is t.v, yes he seems uncomfortable, but some folks just behave like that on t.v, but when he talks about something he cares about and has strong feelings for, he is a great speaker and emotional. This guy has also given so much of his money out to a variety of charities. He hasn't done anything to show he's a jerk. He seems like the kind of person,well to me, he reminds me of those men, who stay outside, working hard, doesn't talk much but can get things done; In this case since he works in an office, he stays late each night, goes over business, and shows up everyday and has the business doing better. Also tired of all the attack ads from the left. Here in california, that is all they show on commercial breaks. Also the news doesn't even talk about the new info the CIA released about Bengazi. All i heard was about the republicans saying some things about Chris Christie. Republicans were upset because he attacked obama verbally a couple of days before and then he praises him after. Yes some over reacted but it was one of those things where every time a disaster happens, a president must go to it after. I would appreciate it too.
For some reason people think there is a war on women, but there's not. He just doesn't want everything for abortion rights and for people/churches to pay for birth control. Wow that must mean I hate women if i too disagree with that. Women these past generations have had a incline in working and education, so why are you hating on Romney?
All I know is I am voting Republican this time around. Tired of talk and no action. Romney is a business man and has a great record while being a governor. Obama just talks about the same things he spoke about 4 yrs ago. Obama also made jokes about the swords/bayonette on guns and tried to make Romney look like an idiot but the navy does use it. That put me on Romneys side(my last straw), Just talk about the damn circumstances surrounding the US and stop attacking your opponent with stupid things. Also I saw that Bill o'reily thing where he suggested that maybe Collin Powel supports Obama because they grew up the same; AS BLACK MEN WHO ROSE THRU THE HARD TIMES TO BE WHERE THEY"RE AT DESPITE THERE BACKGROUND. He didn't say anything that would offend anybody. teh lady he was talking to just got mad an said don't say this is about race. Bill O' Reily then said he never said anything about their race. He was talking about background. People get along and support others who were raised like they were/ or suffered the same challenges. But people automatically go straight to racial conflicts and conversations.
Am i the only one that believes that if we vote someone back in who is white, there would be less of a racial conflict? I have said to a couple of people that I hate Obama and don't want him as president and they assume I say it because he is black then they get all defensive. I just hate his politics and the lies I bought four years ago. Then i ask why they don't support Romney and the response i get is" it's because he is a spoiled rich white man who doesn't know what he's talking about.....hates women..." Obama rich too. People in office/celebrities are the 1%'ers, but its only okay if they are not republicans! Tired of the hypocrisy that is being thrown around. I am just going to prepare for a civil war.
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Post by robinsonben36 on Nov 3, 2012 9:02:58 GMT -5
Romney is a business man and has a great record while being a governor.  |
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Post by terryhogan on Nov 3, 2012 10:17:29 GMT -5
Honestly - I was watching the debate on TV. And Obama seems like a total psychopath. The way he talks and holds these little speeches is SOOO structured and planned in advance. xD He really knows what hes doing with his bodylanguage and technique.
Romney is a total nazi though. Its a matter of the two evils. And I think that Obama is the right choice. Because at least he isn't trying to set society back 200 years when it comes to abortion and homosexuality.
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Post by nexusagainstus on Nov 3, 2012 10:36:20 GMT -5
There's no excitement for Romney. There's dislike for Obama, but no excitement for Romney. I'd say you are wrong in this statement. I can't speak on everyone's behalf, but here in Florida, Central Florida at least, there is alot of excitement for Mitt, and he's continued to get endorsements from papers like the Orlando Sentinel and Tampa Tribune, which both endorsed Obama 4 years ago. To say there's no excitement for Mitt is kind of ludacris. I see quite a bit of hatred for Romney to be honest. He seems universally despised on the Internet and is a huge butt of jokes. And Obama isn't? This is a pretty one-sided statement. You can find just as many Obama jokes and hate that you can for Romney. Hell, you have millions of people who think Obama is a muslim communist, and other rediculous claims that they make about the guy. Democrats always playing the race card. Not always. And I did say that I know there are those who don't like his policies and that is fine. I was simply saying that it is part of the reason - NOT THE ONLY - but part of the reason that President Obama sees the dislike that he does. And you can't deny that. It's plain and clear when there are Romney supporters who wear shirts that say "Keep The White House White!" You should really do some research on the history of the Democratic party and racism and you'd be surprised by what you find. And I'm not saying the Republican party is perfect because they are from it, but to act like the Democratic party is this righteous party, shows how little you know about them. Honestly - I was watching the debate on TV. And Obama seems like a total psychopath. The way he talks and holds these little speeches is SOOO structured and planned in advance. xD He really knows what hes doing with his bodylanguage and technique. Romney is a total nazi though. Its a matter of the two evils. And I think that Obama is the right choice. Because at least he isn't trying to set society back 200 years when it comes to abortion and homosexuality. And Obama wants to set society back by 300+ years by having a HUGE government that controls everything. Social issues are the least important thing in this election. Regaurdless of that, Romney isn't against Abortion, he actually supports it in the case of rape, incest, and a risk to the womens health. He is against it being used as a form of birth control. And even if he wanted to make it illegal, he would have to get it passed by other two branches of government, which wouldn't happen. |
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Post by spearjack24 on Nov 3, 2012 11:56:55 GMT -5
This is for Jimmy III Tears. This just shows that it isn't a race issue; just stupidity!
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 3, 2012 13:19:12 GMT -5
And Obama isn't? This is a pretty one-sided statement. You can find just as many Obama jokes and hate that you can for Romney. Hell, you have millions of people who think Obama is a muslim communist, and other rediculous claims that they make about the guy. I don't agree with this. I can't find the article at the moment, but I saw a study recently where they found that Romney was the butt of jokes like two or three times more than Obama was. In fact Republicans were far more likely to be the butt of jokes than Democrats were. |
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