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Post by ebilbryan™ on Jan 19, 2012 21:36:40 GMT -5
Look, what do you guys want? People bitch about things like SOPA that obviously go too far, but then bitch when they take down websites that are BLATANTLY and FLAGRANTLY violating the law, which is exactly what they SHOULD be doing rather than passing laws like SOPA or PIPA. Copyright law exists for a reason, and without it we would be culturally dead as a society, so live with it. ![](http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticons/default/facepalm.gif) Megaupload didn't "BLATANTLY and FLAGRANTLY violate the law", the users did. Megaupload already had a system to remove copyrighted material from their site. But with over 1 Billion users, of course they can't get to everything. Removing an entire site that people actually payed money to use, and used it to store their non-copyrighted intellectual property was uncalled for. They could've told Megaupload to crack down some more, before making an absurdly radical decision to just take the whole site down.
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Post by slappy on Jan 19, 2012 21:38:10 GMT -5
Look, what do you guys want? People bitch about things like SOPA that obviously go too far, but then bitch when they take down websites that are BLATANTLY and FLAGRANTLY violating the law, which is exactly what they SHOULD be doing rather than passing laws like SOPA or PIPA. Copyright law exists for a reason, and without it we would be culturally dead as a society, so live with it. How would we be culturally dead?
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Post by Tye Hyll on Jan 19, 2012 21:39:34 GMT -5
Yeah Im a bit pissed, I used Megaupload to host all of my videos I have made and is still one of the only sources that held some of my uncompressed videos. So I support any and all attacks on the government over this
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Post by comintogetcha on Jan 19, 2012 21:44:37 GMT -5
Look, what do you guys want? People bitch about things like SOPA that obviously go too far, but then bitch when they take down websites that are BLATANTLY and FLAGRANTLY violating the law, which is exactly what they SHOULD be doing rather than passing laws like SOPA or PIPA. Copyright law exists for a reason, and without it we would be culturally dead as a society, so live with it. ![](http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticons/default/facepalm.gif) Megaupload didn't "BLATANTLY and FLAGRANTLY violate the law", the users did. Megaupload already had a system to remove copyrighted material from their site. But with over 1 Billion users, of course they can't get to everything. Removing an entire site that people actually payed money to use, and used it to store their non-copyrighted intellectual property was uncalled for. They could've told Megaupload to crack down some more, before making an absurdly radical decision to just take the whole site down. No, they can't get to everything, but according to the law, they have to. If you run a grocery store, and crack dealers operate out of your grocery store, and you are aware of the fact that crack dealers are operating out of your grocery store, and benefit from this because your store now sees increased patronage from crack addicts who buy their groceries from you because it's also a convenient place to buy crack, then you are enabling and facilitating the act of selling crack. Even though all you do is operate a grocery store, the fact that you are aware, and ceasing the criminal activity that occurs in your store makes you an accessory to a crime, and your store will be shut down.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 19, 2012 21:47:46 GMT -5
Not necessarily true. They've been charged with a crime. If you're charged with vehicular manslaughter for example, the feds can seize your car as part of the investigation. That's basically what has happened here. MegaUpload has been accused of piracy and it's owners have been legally charged with piracy. Their property (the domain and servers) has been seized as part of an investigation to determine if they're really guilty or not. That is all completely legal IMO. Now, the question is whether they're really guilty and they've got evidence to prove it or if this is just a political strong arm move. And you think if they are found not guilty that they'll just let the site go back up? This is different because vehicular manslaughter, the person is involved. The owners of the site are not involved directly in the piracy. It's all bullpoop anyways. If they're found not guilty the site should be back up. We don't know (or at least I haven't heard) all the details of what the owners are being charged with. It may well be that they are alleged to be part of the piracy. If they set up a black market they can be held responsible if people use.
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Post by ebilbryan™ on Jan 19, 2012 21:49:57 GMT -5
![](http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticons/default/facepalm.gif) Megaupload didn't "BLATANTLY and FLAGRANTLY violate the law", the users did. Megaupload already had a system to remove copyrighted material from their site. But with over 1 Billion users, of course they can't get to everything. Removing an entire site that people actually payed money to use, and used it to store their non-copyrighted intellectual property was uncalled for. They could've told Megaupload to crack down some more, before making an absurdly radical decision to just take the whole site down. No, they can't get to everything, but according to the law, they have to. If you run a grocery store, and crack dealers operate out of your grocery store, and you are aware of the fact that crack dealers are operating out of your grocery store, and benefit from this because your store now sees increased patronage from crack addicts who buy their groceries from you because it's also a convenient place to buy crack, then you are enabling and facilitating the act of selling crack. Even though all you do is operate a grocery store, the fact that you are aware, and ceasing the criminal activity that occurs in your store makes you an accessory to a crime, and your store will be shut down. I'm not exactly sure what point you were trying to make here, you kinda rambled on; as well as completely missed my point. - Megaupload was actively removing copyrighted material when they found it. There was no possible way that 4 site operators (I think it's 4) or even hundreds of site operators are going to be able find EVERY file that contains copyrighted material. But when they did find it, they removed it, as required by law.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2012 21:51:42 GMT -5
Same thing with Youtube, they try to remove/block copyrighted material but it's impossible since there is sooo much of it on the website.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 19, 2012 21:53:31 GMT -5
No, they can't get to everything, but according to the law, they have to. If you run a grocery store, and crack dealers operate out of your grocery store, and you are aware of the fact that crack dealers are operating out of your grocery store, and benefit from this because your store now sees increased patronage from crack addicts who buy their groceries from you because it's also a convenient place to buy crack, then you are enabling and facilitating the act of selling crack. Even though all you do is operate a grocery store, the fact that you are aware, and ceasing the criminal activity that occurs in your store makes you an accessory to a crime, and your store will be shut down. I'm not exactly sure what point you were trying to make here, you kinda rambled on; as well as completely missed my point. - Megaupload was actively removing copyrighted material when they found it. There was no possible way that 4 site operators (I think it's 4) or even hundreds of site operators are going to be able find EVERY file that contains copyrighted material. But when they did find it, they removed it, as required by law. The charges may be alleging that they merely claimed to be doing that, but didn't.
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Post by facemeat on Jan 19, 2012 21:55:33 GMT -5
![](http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticons/default/facepalm.gif) Megaupload didn't "BLATANTLY and FLAGRANTLY violate the law", the users did. Megaupload already had a system to remove copyrighted material from their site. But with over 1 Billion users, of course they can't get to everything. Removing an entire site that people actually payed money to use, and used it to store their non-copyrighted intellectual property was uncalled for. They could've told Megaupload to crack down some more, before making an absurdly radical decision to just take the whole site down. No, they can't get to everything, but according to the law, they have to. If you run a grocery store, and crack dealers operate out of your grocery store, and you are aware of the fact that crack dealers are operating out of your grocery store, and benefit from this because your store now sees increased patronage from crack addicts who buy their groceries from you because it's also a convenient place to buy crack, then you are enabling and facilitating the act of selling crack. Even though all you do is operate a grocery store, the fact that you are aware, and ceasing the criminal activity that occurs in your store makes you an accessory to a crime, and your store will be shut down. Wait, so you believe that the government has the right to shut down any site they please based upon a few pieces of copyrighted material uploaded to the site by users? And you say you don't support SOPA/PIPA? Really, is that so?
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Post by slappy on Jan 19, 2012 21:56:05 GMT -5
And you think if they are found not guilty that they'll just let the site go back up? This is different because vehicular manslaughter, the person is involved. The owners of the site are not involved directly in the piracy. It's all bullpoop anyways. If they're found not guilty the site should be back up. We don't know (or at least I haven't heard) all the details of what the owners are being charged with. It may well be that they are alleged to be part of the piracy. If they set up a black market they can be held responsible if people use. Yeah, I'm sure the government will allow the site back up. I believe they were charged with money laundering as well.
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Post by comintogetcha on Jan 19, 2012 21:59:51 GMT -5
No, they can't get to everything, but according to the law, they have to. If you run a grocery store, and crack dealers operate out of your grocery store, and you are aware of the fact that crack dealers are operating out of your grocery store, and benefit from this because your store now sees increased patronage from crack addicts who buy their groceries from you because it's also a convenient place to buy crack, then you are enabling and facilitating the act of selling crack. Even though all you do is operate a grocery store, the fact that you are aware, and ceasing the criminal activity that occurs in your store makes you an accessory to a crime, and your store will be shut down. Wait, so you believe that the government has the right to shut down any site they please based upon a few pieces of copyrighted material uploaded to the site by users? And you say you don't support SOPA/PIPA? Really, is that so? Megaupload wasn't just "a few pieces of copyrighter material uploaded to the site by users", it was a host to a pervasive amount of copyrighted material that happened to contain a few pieces of uncopyrighted material uploaded to the site by users. Don't just paint this as being someone happened to upload an MP3 of Enter Sandman and Lars Ulrich paid the government to take down the entire site. Megaupload was a cesspool of copyrighted material, and if the owners were unwilling or unable to control it, but are also unwilling to shut it down on their own, then they are liable.
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Post by facemeat on Jan 19, 2012 22:04:34 GMT -5
Wait, so you believe that the government has the right to shut down any site they please based upon a few pieces of copyrighted material uploaded to the site by users? And you say you don't support SOPA/PIPA? Really, is that so? Megaupload wasn't just "a few pieces of copyrighter material uploaded to the site by users", it was a host to a pervasive amount of copyrighted material that happened to contain a few pieces of uncopyrighted material uploaded to the site by users. Don't just paint this as being someone happened to upload an MP3 of Enter Sandman and Lars Ulrich paid the government to take down the entire site. Megaupload was a cesspool of copyrighted material, and if the owners were unwilling or unable to control it, but are also unwilling to shut it down on their own, then they are liable. So, I guess Youtube should be shut down as well then? I can find and listen to pretty much every copyrighted song ever created on Youtube, so how is that really any different?
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Post by comintogetcha on Jan 19, 2012 22:11:32 GMT -5
Megaupload wasn't just "a few pieces of copyrighter material uploaded to the site by users", it was a host to a pervasive amount of copyrighted material that happened to contain a few pieces of uncopyrighted material uploaded to the site by users. Don't just paint this as being someone happened to upload an MP3 of Enter Sandman and Lars Ulrich paid the government to take down the entire site. Megaupload was a cesspool of copyrighted material, and if the owners were unwilling or unable to control it, but are also unwilling to shut it down on their own, then they are liable. So, I guess Youtube should be shut down as well then? I can find and listen to pretty much every copyrighted song ever created on Youtube, so how is that really any different? YouTube actually has measures in place to adhere to DMCA requests made by the companies that want them enforced. Try to find a Prince song or clips from The Simpsons or Ring of Honor matches. You can find a couple that slip through the cracks, sure, but the vast majority of them get deleted almost immediately. YouTube follows the law, MegaUpload doesn't.
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Post by King of Kings on Jan 19, 2012 22:12:44 GMT -5
YouTube is doing a lot more than MegaUpload/MegaVideo ever did to combat copyright. They work with corporations such as Warner Brothers and if something contains intellectual property they'll remove it. MegaUpload never really had the system YouTube had so that's not a fair comparison at all. YouTube is also owned by Google, which is huge enough to the point where it CAN communicate with those companies.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Jan 19, 2012 22:20:32 GMT -5
So, I guess Youtube should be shut down as well then? I can find and listen to pretty much every copyrighted song ever created on Youtube, so how is that really any different? YouTube actually has measures in place to adhere to DMCA requests made by the companies that want them enforced. Try to find a Prince song or clips from The Simpsons or Ring of Honor matches. You can find a couple that slip through the cracks, sure, but the vast majority of them get deleted almost immediately. YouTube follows the law, MegaUpload doesn't. took me no more than 30 seconds to find those.. The Prince one has been up since 2010, the Simpsons since 2008.
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Post by facemeat on Jan 19, 2012 22:22:24 GMT -5
So, I guess Youtube should be shut down as well then? I can find and listen to pretty much every copyrighted song ever created on Youtube, so how is that really any different? YouTube actually has measures in place to adhere to DMCA requests made by the companies that want them enforced. Try to find a Prince song or clips from The Simpsons or Ring of Honor matches. You can find a couple that slip through the cracks, sure, but the vast majority of them get deleted almost immediately. YouTube follows the law, MegaUpload doesn't. What about all the copyrighted material on Youtube that isn't requested to be removed? Megaupload stated that they complied with all DMCA takedown notices, so how do you know that they didn't?
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Post by comintogetcha on Jan 19, 2012 22:33:30 GMT -5
YouTube actually has measures in place to adhere to DMCA requests made by the companies that want them enforced. Try to find a Prince song or clips from The Simpsons or Ring of Honor matches. You can find a couple that slip through the cracks, sure, but the vast majority of them get deleted almost immediately. YouTube follows the law, MegaUpload doesn't. took me no more than 30 seconds to find those.. The Prince one has been up since 2010, the Simpsons since 2008. Seriously? You're going to link to a Simpsons video from Hulu's official channel, Hulu who has the right from Fox to distribute clips from The Simpsons and other shows? And great, you found a Price song on Youtube, but how about the hundrds of others that are video but no audio, or have the wrong audio because YouTube disables the audio 99.9% of videos that have his music on them?
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Post by Brockinton10 on Jan 19, 2012 22:37:54 GMT -5
So, I guess Youtube should be shut down as well then? I can find and listen to pretty much every copyrighted song ever created on Youtube, so how is that really any different? YouTube actually has measures in place to adhere to DMCA requests made by the companies that want them enforced. Try to find a Prince song or clips from The Simpsons or Ring of Honor matches. You can find a couple that slip through the cracks, sure, but the vast majority of them get deleted almost immediately. YouTube follows the law, MegaUpload doesn't. Look Full episode 21 minutes on youtube of Simpsons. The side bar contains tons more episodes that are 20 mins too.
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Post by King of Kings on Jan 19, 2012 22:41:57 GMT -5
That full episode is recorded from a TV and the audio is lowered, the YouTube upload censors couldn't catch it. There are ways around it. By showing few examples you've proven nothing. There are people who violate the copyright on YouTube but as I said, corporations such as Viacom and Warner are with YouTube and communicate, to avoid those copyright issues. MegaUpload wasn't, and it had full movies, episodes of shows, and more on it. To compare YouTube and MegaUpload/Megavideo is childish.
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Post by Tye Hyll on Jan 19, 2012 23:21:32 GMT -5
In other News the MPAA is mad at Anonymous for taking its site down.
"The motion picture and television industry has always been a strong supporter of free speech. We strongly condemn any attempts to silence any groups or individuals. "
Qoute from MPAA, not so fun from the other side, is it?
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