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Post by Halloween King on Feb 15, 2012 18:24:21 GMT -5
I heard a story today at work. And it just got me thinking.
A guy was at work, bus driver, and apparently he was fired for "stealing". Now at first I thought oh well tough break. And then I heard more details. From what I hear he got to work and on his bus was an Ipad, a Wallet, and a few other items. He took the wallet/money and also took the ipad.
These Items were not left behind by passangers. They were placed by a security company as part of a sting. Along with the driver a cleaning person was let go.
Now I dont consider that stealing. If you find something and pick it up, does that make you a theif? If you notice a passanger leaving an item behind and you didnt tell them so you could keep it, that might make you a theif. But to get there at the start of your day, as you do a pretrip inspection of your vehicle, and you find something, does that make it stealing?
I thought that was tough. I know had that been me Id keep the Ipad/money. I just see it as being lucky. Not stealing.
Does the fact that he was on the clock make it stealing? If you found an Ipad/money in a mall, you as a fellow customer not an employee, would that be stealing?
Thoughts?
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Post by Cammi Oh on Feb 15, 2012 18:28:34 GMT -5
Did he try to return or report these items found on the bus? If so, then its not cool.
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Post by jc on Feb 15, 2012 18:31:21 GMT -5
Well, with the fact they had to pull a sting operation in the first place he probably had a track record, so in his case.. it's stealing.
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Post by Halloween King on Feb 15, 2012 18:35:07 GMT -5
Did he try to return or report these items found on the bus? If so, then its not cool. From what I hear he did a pretrip, found the items, put them in his bag, and then took his bag to his truck. Once at his truck he was detained. So he wasnt even given a chance to turn anything in. I thought oh wow he wasnt even given a chance to turn anything in. And then someone mentioned this to me. "Had that been me I could have called it in to dispatch as soon as I saw those things" That's a good point I suppose. But even then I dont see that as stealing. Maybe im in the wrong here. I just think that if you find something it is yours. Had those items been matched to a passenger I say fine return them. But god knows how long since that bus was used last, and god knows where the passenger might be at the time the items were found. |
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Post by Halloween King on Feb 15, 2012 18:40:07 GMT -5
Well, with the fact they had to pull a sting operation in the first place he probably had a track record, so in his case.. it's stealing. Those busses arent appointed to a set driver. You get to work, pick a bus, and go on your way. That could have been any bus driver that was busted. So it wasnt like they were watching that one person for a while. Not to mention they got a cleaning lady as well. It was more a random sting than a one person sting. The whole Sting situation is what really bugs me. Show me a person who is perfect? That person does not exist. So for you to set a trap to tempt a person into keeping something they found seems really crumby to me. |
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Post by facemeat on Feb 15, 2012 18:41:24 GMT -5
In my opinion, it really depends...if there was identification in the wallet/iPad, then yeah, I'd consider that stealing. But, if it was just cash, and there were no identifying factors on the iPad, what was he supposed to do? Wait for somebody to claim it?
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Post by jc on Feb 15, 2012 18:43:15 GMT -5
Well, with the fact they had to pull a sting operation in the first place he probably had a track record, so in his case.. it's stealing. Those busses arent appointed to a set driver. You get to work, pick a bus, and go on your way. That could have been any bus driver that was busted. So it wasnt like they were watching that one person for a while. Not to mention they got a cleaning lady as well. It was more a random sting than a one person sting. The whole Sting situation is what really bugs me. Show me a person who is perfect? That person does not exist. So for you to set a trap to tempt a person into keeping something they found seems really crumby to me. Well, in that case I'd say it's not. The law shouldn't be brought into testing someones moral compass. |
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Post by MC2 on Feb 15, 2012 18:43:19 GMT -5
I consider taking anything that isn't yours stealing. Maybe it's just my moral values, but if something isn't mine, I'm not touching it.
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Post by Halloween King on Feb 15, 2012 18:43:28 GMT -5
In my opinion, it really depends...if there was identification in the wallet/iPad, then yeah, I'd consider that stealing. But, if it was just cash, and there were no identifying factors on the iPad, what was he supposed to do? Wait for somebody to claim it? I honestly dont know if there was Id in the wallet/ipad. BUT I thought the same thing as you. Why is it stealing? Wont the next person who finds those items just keep them? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 18:43:52 GMT -5
Well he should of called it in a d said especially at work. Never crap where you eat
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Post by fattic on Feb 15, 2012 18:48:21 GMT -5
If something is left at the place you work at, turn it in. If you keep it for yourself, it's stealing. Who says they won't come back and look for it?
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Post by Halloween King on Feb 15, 2012 18:58:01 GMT -5
If something is left at the place you work at, turn it in. If you keep it for yourself, it's stealing. Who says they won't come back and look for it? This is true. But IMO so many people get on those buses its hard to tell who took what. You have the Bus drivers on there, you have cleaning crews on there, you have Mechanics on there, you have the electronics guys on there, and you have the lavatory people go on there, on top of the passangers. I guess i want to justify things. I was just surprised and still am to see people think that's stealing. I must be the minority here in opinion cause I think if I find something then it's mine. |
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Post by The Assassin on Feb 15, 2012 18:58:50 GMT -5
Sure it's stealing if he made no attempt whatsoever to get the items back to the owner. He should have reported the items he found to the bus company management and they should then keep them in a lost property container for a month or two and see if anyone calls to enquire about them. Then if nobody comes forward in a couple of months, then give them to the person who found them.
I'm not sure how it works in the states but I believe the Police here in the UK operate in a similar way with lost property, there's a certain period where the owner has chance to reclaim them, but if nobody comes forward then they go to the person who found them.
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Post by alexgg on Feb 15, 2012 19:06:49 GMT -5
I guess its a finders keepers thing, but since he was the driver of the bus i guess it was his responsiblity to report the lost items, and even if no one claims the items im sure the bus might of had cctv on it.
Hard spot, sucks for the people fired.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 15, 2012 19:23:15 GMT -5
It's absolutely stealing if you make no attempt to turn it in. Not sure why this is even a question.
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Post by the franchise on Feb 15, 2012 19:26:21 GMT -5
It's absolutely stealing if you make no attempt to turn it in. Not sure why this is even a question. This guy has it correct. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 19:30:41 GMT -5
Apparently that was a test he failed. Some people can be real morons lol If I walked onto a bus as the driver and saw those things, I'd know something was up. Seriously, who leaves an iPad on a bus?
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Feb 15, 2012 19:32:19 GMT -5
I'm all for Sting Operations to catch actual criminals, but this seems to be borderline entrapment to me.
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Post by PrideFcF on Feb 15, 2012 19:40:14 GMT -5
I'm all for Sting Operations to catch actual criminals, but this seems to be borderline entrapment to me. Totally agree. Seems really weird to randomly do this to a bus driver as well. I could understand trying to bust employees for going out of their way to steal company property. But "crackin' down" on employees not turning things in to some lost and found? With all the items that get lost on a bus during a days worth of driving, the company really feels it's important to see if their own drivers are the culprits? Strange. Still, this is the risk you take when you decide to pocket anything that's not yours. You can't look at it like "well if I don't keep it, somebody else will". The guy took a silly, selfish gamble, and he got busted. There's no other way to look at it. |
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Feb 15, 2012 19:49:33 GMT -5
I'm all for Sting Operations to catch actual criminals, but this seems to be borderline entrapment to me. Totally agree. Seems really weird to randomly do this to a bus driver as well. I could understand trying to bust employees for going out of their way to steal company property. But "crackin' down" on employees not turning things in to some lost and found? With all the items that get lost on a bus during a days worth of driving, the company really feels it's important to see if their own drivers are the culprits? Strange. Still, this is the risk you take when you decide to pocket anything that's not yours. You can't look at it like "well if I don't keep it, somebody else will". The guy took a silly, selfish gamble, and he got busted. There's no other way to look at it. I agree with that as well. When it comes to doing things like that at work, you gotta act as if someone's ALWAYS watching. Some of the things you'd do as a pedestrian will get you burned as an employee. This is a perfect example. But I still have to question the point of this. Most transit services are very clear about not being responsible for lost items of travelers, weather they were pocketed by the driver or another regular person. I feel like there was something behind doing that Sting Operational to begin with. If not, it just comes off as setting up your own employees to be fired. |
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