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Post by jrjumpshot on Jul 18, 2012 10:38:38 GMT -5
So far PJ has had the best idea.
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Post by jrjumpshot on Jul 18, 2012 10:42:21 GMT -5
Let's face it guys, this figure probably isn't going to get released no matter how bad the few of you want it. Look at this poll alone, 1/3 of the collectors here don't want it. If you are posting here, you probably are not a "casual collector". You put this figure at retail and only about 5% of people who collect wrestling figures are even going to think about buying this and it's probably even a lower number of people who actually do buy this figure.
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Post by The Classic on Jul 18, 2012 10:43:28 GMT -5
hecks yes
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 18, 2012 11:04:05 GMT -5
I don't think we're advocating for him to be a Flashback - at least I'm not. When Flashbacks first came out I'm sure I was all over him being a Flashback because the Legends line was dieing. Right now it makes the most sense to make him an RSC Exclusive. And that's all I'm asking for. You guys got your masked Punk, and if SCSA is considered the modern-era guy that Tom eluded to as the next Exclusive, you got that too. But out of 3 slots a year, surely RSC can request Magnum T. A. for one of them. At a limited run of 500 you've got over 100 sales already just from posters on this board - what about the casual web surfer to your site? Mattel has said they would only make a figure in a number of at least 5000. Im pretty sure we can mark out a RSC exclusive of 500 out. I think the best way to get this figure is .5 per case, or even every 2 cases or something and bring him out like a flashback. It will sell just as fine as every other Flashback. I'd hate to have to pay more for him but at least Id get him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 11:05:22 GMT -5
we collectors make up 5% of mattels sales. 2/3's of the collectors here want Magnum T.A. 100 people here claim they would buy one. what percentage of collectors frequent wfigs? 1% maybe?
The other collectors probably just buy legends/flashbacks at retail and dont vote here. does that mean 2/3's of collectors would vote yes? not really. The ones hardcore enough into the wrestling figures would have found wfigs already. Magnum T.A appeals mostly to NWA enthusiasts and the WWF/WWE only collector doesnt know or care who Magnum T.A is, and that exludes the wrestling enthusiasts here at wfigs and your friend mike from down the street and that guy you go to school with
The thing i noticed is NWA fans are extremely desperate to get their NWA legends. when it came to Arn,Tully,Windham,Magnum ,lotsof guys claimed to vote 100 times a day,would defend the honour of these guys all day long and kept on claiming that if you didnt want these guys then you didnt actually like wrestling and just enjoyed the doink the clown circus and other wrestlecrap. Seriously Arn and Tully are not gonna do much better then andre,ddp and bundy and arn and tully are legendary. they wont sell well enough to save the line or make a comeback,what chance does magnum have at selling out even at 2000 peices?
just let it die and go out with some dignity. even if rsc took it on they would still be stuck with a couple thousand magnums in their warehouse and a hefty bill to pay. unless mattel makes him a mail away figure to clear out legends (even though i dont think that would persuade many people) then its not gonna happen. sorry guys, theres many other legends more deserving of that spot
if magnum gets the flashback treatment , thats gonna be the first nail in the flashback coffin. mattels seriously trying to get flashbacks to a good state, legends dm and eg all died, we only have flashbacks now. yokozuna,mankind,diesel all work on so many levels, magnum ta is the last person who should be a flashback.
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Post by Bandalero on Jul 18, 2012 11:25:07 GMT -5
just let it die and go out with some dignity. even if rsc took it on they would still be stuck with a couple thousand magnums in their warehouse and a hefty bill to pay. unless mattel makes him a mail away figure to clear out legends (even though i dont think that would persuade many people) then its not gonna happen. sorry guys, theres many other legends more deserving of that spot I gotcha, just like RSC is currently stuck with (probably) thousands of Flash Reys, Masked Punks, and even nWo Savages right? About the only exclusive that ran out that they had to re-order was masked Kane. C'mon man throw us old guys a bone =P
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 18, 2012 11:41:16 GMT -5
we collectors make up 5% of mattels sales. 2/3's of the collectors here want Magnum T.A. 100 people here claim they would buy one. what percentage of collectors frequent wfigs? 1% maybe? The other collectors probably just buy legends/flashbacks at retail and dont vote here. does that mean 2/3's of collectors would vote yes? not really. The ones hardcore enough into the wrestling figures would have found wfigs already. Magnum T.A appeals mostly to NWA enthusiasts and the WWF/WWE only collector doesnt know or care who Magnum T.A is, and that exludes the wrestling enthusiasts here at wfigs and your friend mike from down the street and that guy you go to school with The thing i noticed is NWA fans are extremely desperate to get their NWA legends. when it came to Arn,Tully,Windham,Magnum ,lotsof guys claimed to vote 100 times a day,would defend the honour of these guys all day long and kept on claiming that if you didnt want these guys then you didnt actually like wrestling and just enjoyed the doink the clown circus and other wrestlecrap. Seriously Arn and Tully are not gonna do much better then andre,ddp and bundy and arn and tully are legendary. they wont sell well enough to save the line or make a comeback,what chance does magnum have at selling out even at 2000 peices? just let it die and go out with some dignity. even if rsc took it on they would still be stuck with a couple thousand magnums in their warehouse and a hefty bill to pay. unless mattel makes him a mail away figure to clear out legends (even though i dont think that would persuade many people) then its not gonna happen. sorry guys, theres many other legends more deserving of that spot if magnum gets the flashback treatment , thats gonna be the first nail in the flashback coffin. mattels seriously trying to get flashbacks to a good state, legends dm and eg all died, we only have flashbacks now. yokozuna,mankind,diesel all work on so many levels, magnum ta is the last person who should be a flashback. This is really the most important element for me. It's the same for Ringside Exclusives as well. Mattel, and Ringside, seem to have a good blue print for getting these things to sell so that everyone is happy, on the business side. So why do I want to see them that up with a guy that isn't going to sell anywhere near the likes of guys with actual popularity to the masses. Seems like the MTA crowd is willing to risk the entire sanctity of getting Classic figures just to get this one guy, which is insanely narrow sighted imo. I get it. If this was lets say, Raven, I'd be fighting like hell to see him made too. However, like Raven and Owen Hart, you eventually just have to let some things go if they don't make sense imo.
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Post by homeslice1998 on Jul 18, 2012 11:44:13 GMT -5
No, don't even know who he is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 12:10:22 GMT -5
No, don't even know who he is. Right. And if you don't know who he is why should you, me or anyone else HAVE TO research him just to feel justified in spending 20-30 bucks on his figure? He's not even a hall of famer and he never will be. How about Barry Windham? At least he's in the hall, was a major part of the Four Horsemen, wrestled in the WWF, and could lead to similar customs that some of you are clamoring for. A guy like that "deserves" seven pages over Magnum TA.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 18, 2012 12:17:16 GMT -5
No, don't even know who he is. Right. And if you don't know who he is why should you, me or anyone else HAVE TO research him just to feel justified in spending 20-30 bucks on his figure? He's not even a hall of famer and he never will be. How about Barry Windham? At least he's in the hall, was a major part of the Four Horsemen, wrestled in the WWF, and could lead to similar customs that some of you are clamoring for. A guy like that "deserves" seven pages over Magnum TA. Dont be so sure of that. Magnum could easily be a Hall of Famer one day. I can understand where all the young people are coming from but dont bash the guy saying he wasnt that good until you actually DO research him and see just how big and how popular he was.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 12:21:26 GMT -5
Right. And if you don't know who he is why should you, me or anyone else HAVE TO research him just to feel justified in spending 20-30 bucks on his figure? He's not even a hall of famer and he never will be. How about Barry Windham? At least he's in the hall, was a major part of the Four Horsemen, wrestled in the WWF, and could lead to similar customs that some of you are clamoring for. A guy like that "deserves" seven pages over Magnum TA. Dont be so sure of that. Magnum could easily be a Hall of Famer one day. I can understand where all the young people are coming from but dont bash the guy saying he wasnt that good until you actually DO research him and see just how big and how popular he was. He wasn't that good. He was never the world champion, and he wrestled for a company that let Ric Flair drop the belt and pick it up again as often as he changed underwear. You can say, "but he was gonna be the champion until his accident!" That doesn't change the fact that he never WAS the champion. And there are so many "popular" guys and gimmicks who could draw cheers. There were 5 times as many good workers, too. All of that by itself still does not equate to good business.
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Post by PJ on Jul 18, 2012 12:22:18 GMT -5
Like I said last night the easiest way to release him is as one of the four figures needed to build the TRU exclusive BAF's. This way he's got a limited release seeing it's a TRU exclusive so he won't be over produced at retail. Plus you'll need him for Ricardo/Teddy/Johnny or whatever other person they plan on releasing. That would work perfectly for helping his sales.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 18, 2012 12:36:33 GMT -5
Dont be so sure of that. Magnum could easily be a Hall of Famer one day. I can understand where all the young people are coming from but dont bash the guy saying he wasnt that good until you actually DO research him and see just how big and how popular he was. He wasn't that good. He was never the world champion, and he wrestled for a company that let Ric Flair drop the belt and pick it up again as often as he changed underwear. You can say, "but he was gonna be the champion until his accident!" That doesn't change the fact that he never WAS the champion. And there are so many "popular" guys and gimmicks who could draw cheers. There were 5 times as many good workers, too. All of that by itself still does not equate to good business. Again, you dont know what you're talking about. Please list me all the world title that Koko B. Ware, Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard, Abdullah The Butcher, Big John Studd etc etc etc held? A world title, or lack thereof does not give or not give you a right into the hall of fame. You say "well he wasnt that good", then you obviously are stating you've never watched, read or researched anything about him. He was by far the most popular wrestler in the NWA. A company that had Dusty Rhodes and Ric Flair in their stable at the same time. He put on classic matches like the I Quit Cage Match with Tully Blanchard as well as the Best of 7 Series with Nikita Koloff. NWA attendance dropped (everywhere) the weeks after Magnum got hurt. He was THE man in the NWA and if he would have never gotten hurt guys like Sting, Luger and Barry Windham would have been long lost in the mid card shuffle...or made into silly gimmicks in the WWF. If you dont know who he is, fine. If you dont want to know or learn about one of the true legends of pro wrestling, fine. But dont talk out of your ass saying you "know" something when clearly you dont know anything about the subject.
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Post by Jeremiah on Jul 18, 2012 12:49:22 GMT -5
I think we are missing an important factor. We have seen a prototype its not like we are wishing they would make him out of thin air. and saying that he would put a nail into the flashback coffin is ludacris. papa shango was very well known yet he flew off shelves big boss man not very known with the newer generation since he was around right before john cena became big. yet he on ebay at 25-30 bucks. and again saying he was a nobody is terrible he held the us title twice back when it meant something and people say ric flairs matches were boring I loved the austin era but lets face it that wasnt really much wrestling he threw mostly punches and kicks and the matches were pretty obvious who was going to win. with Ric Flair you didnt know. and people want Barry Windham you have a perfect custom body for him buy two and make barry and scott hall and then buy a third a boom Magnum NWA Figures plus early razor ramon
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 12:52:20 GMT -5
He wasn't that good. He was never the world champion, and he wrestled for a company that let Ric Flair drop the belt and pick it up again as often as he changed underwear. You can say, "but he was gonna be the champion until his accident!" That doesn't change the fact that he never WAS the champion. And there are so many "popular" guys and gimmicks who could draw cheers. There were 5 times as many good workers, too. All of that by itself still does not equate to good business. Again, you dont know what you're talking about. Please list me all the world title that Koko B. Ware, Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard, Abdullah The Butcher, Big John Studd etc etc etc held? A world title, or lack thereof does not give or not give you a right into the hall of fame. You say "well he wasnt that good", then you obviously are stating you've never watched, read or researched anything about him. He was by far the most popular wrestler in the NWA. A company that had Dusty Rhodes and Ric Flair in their stable at the same time. He put on classic matches like the I Quit Cage Match with Tully Blanchard as well as the Best of 7 Series with Nikita Koloff. NWA attendance dropped (everywhere) the weeks after Magnum got hurt. He was THE man in the NWA and if he would have never gotten hurt guys like Sting, Luger and Barry Windham would have been long lost in the mid card shuffle...or made into silly gimmicks in the WWF. If you dont know who he is, fine. If you dont want to know or learn about one of the true legends of pro wrestling, fine. But dont talk out of your ass saying you "know" something when clearly you dont know anything about the subject. Clearly his lack of memorabilia, DVDs, hall of fame recognition, championships, figures, alumni listing on WWE.com, I could go on an on . . . clearly a lack of all this stuff is enough proof that he is NOT "one of the true legends of pro wrestling." I believe it isn't me who is talking out of my ass when I point to the lack of evidence to support your claim (objective facts beyond dispute), and all you can do is make grandiose proclamations based on your own highly subjective opinions of "good wrestling" and super stardom in a company that was far from global in a time when wrestling had yet to hit its peak.
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Post by I AM CHONO! on Jul 18, 2012 12:57:59 GMT -5
Most definitely. I will take any legends that Mattel releases.
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Post by Bandalero on Jul 18, 2012 12:58:06 GMT -5
I think we are missing an important factor. We have seen a prototype its not like we are wishing they would make him out of thin air. and saying that he would put a nail into the flashback coffin is ludacris. papa shango was very well known yet he flew off shelves big boss man not very known with the newer generation since he was around right before john cena became big. yet he on ebay at 25-30 bucks. and again saying he was a nobody is terrible he held the us title twice back when it meant something and people say ric flairs matches were boring I loved the austin era but lets face it that wasnt really much wrestling he threw mostly punches and kicks and the matches were pretty obvious who was going to win. with Ric Flair you didnt know. and people want Barry Windham you have a perfect custom body for him buy two and make barry and scott hall and then buy a third a boom Magnum NWA Figures plus early razor ramon Thank you! Somewhere in some Chinese factory there's a negative impression mold of Magnum T.A.'s headsculpt sitting gathering dust when it could potentially be making money. All I ever hear from toy companies is how expensive it is to make a mold, but in Magnum's case you already have the bloody mold!
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 18, 2012 13:20:22 GMT -5
Again, you dont know what you're talking about. Please list me all the world title that Koko B. Ware, Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard, Abdullah The Butcher, Big John Studd etc etc etc held? A world title, or lack thereof does not give or not give you a right into the hall of fame. You say "well he wasnt that good", then you obviously are stating you've never watched, read or researched anything about him. He was by far the most popular wrestler in the NWA. A company that had Dusty Rhodes and Ric Flair in their stable at the same time. He put on classic matches like the I Quit Cage Match with Tully Blanchard as well as the Best of 7 Series with Nikita Koloff. NWA attendance dropped (everywhere) the weeks after Magnum got hurt. He was THE man in the NWA and if he would have never gotten hurt guys like Sting, Luger and Barry Windham would have been long lost in the mid card shuffle...or made into silly gimmicks in the WWF. If you dont know who he is, fine. If you dont want to know or learn about one of the true legends of pro wrestling, fine. But dont talk out of your ass saying you "know" something when clearly you dont know anything about the subject. Clearly his lack of memorabilia, DVDs, hall of fame recognition, championships, figures, alumni listing on WWE.com, I could go on an on . . . clearly a lack of all this stuff is enough proof that he is NOT "one of the true legends of pro wrestling." I believe it isn't me who is talking out of my ass when I point to the lack of evidence to support your claim (objective facts beyond dispute), and all you can do is make grandiose proclamations based on your own highly subjective opinions of "good wrestling" and super stardom in a company that was far from global in a time when wrestling had yet to hit its peak. You're right. How can I argue about Legends with someone named the Big Bossman. You're right about all your points. No DVDs, No Hall of Fame, No world Championships, no Alumni listing on WWE.com..........JUST LIKE THE BIG BOSSMAN. I guess you're saying Bossman isnt a legend right? According to your criteria, he doesn't qualify. Of course Bossman does have a few figures but how did he get those figure? By signing a WWE LEGENDS deal, just like......MAGNUM TA! And the NWA was "far from Global"....that pretty much right there states that outside of probably the Attitude Era, you have no idea anything about wrestling history or the NWA Territories...which included MANY International companies. Out of respect for Dean, Im ending this argument...mainly because you're making pointless arguments just to not have someone released. You're reaching for every reason possible to claim that Magnum doesn't deserve a figure and in doing so you come across as an uneducated, misinformed "Fan" of wrestling that knows nothing of what you're talking about.
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Post by gullyman1985 on Jul 18, 2012 13:22:52 GMT -5
I appreciate the prototype argument but the fact is Magnum TA is a 'never was' in the wrestling business. Should've, could've, would've but didn't do anything in wrestling except a few great matches with Tully, Arn and Dusty, but then, who didn't? Trust me, this is coming from a guy who wishes we had a Dino Bravo or Ronnie Garvin figure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 13:33:41 GMT -5
WOW! guys, come on. I never meant to start a debate/argument with this. The most valid point here is that Mattel already created the mold and a prototype of Magnum TA. I like most of you want many, many, many other Legends made eventually. If that's the discussion we want to have, Hell, Id rather have a JYD, a Big John Studd, a barefoot Snuka, or an Elite M$M over TA, but to my knowledge none of those have already been molded, prototyped and shown in a AD. The only purpose of this poll was to see if Magnum TA would be a seller. Plain and simple.
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