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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Nov 6, 2012 1:08:01 GMT -5
He's not great and can be a bit sloppy with some moves, but I think he get bashed more than he should. He can't really carry a match, but in the ring with someone as good as him or better, he does really well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 1:16:07 GMT -5
Can we still not post anything below 2 paragraphs?
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Post by Escape The Rules on Nov 6, 2012 1:47:09 GMT -5
He's not great and can be a bit sloppy with some moves, but I think he get bashed more than he should. He can't really carry a match, but in the ring with someone as good as him or better, he does really well. He's carried the likes of Lashley & Khali to respectable matches.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 2:37:01 GMT -5
The fact that John Cena vs Great Khali was a passable match says everything. Seriously, who else brought Khali to a halfway decent match? The list isn't very long, and the names on the list are probably some of the best in recent years.
Cena is far better than people say. Even if his selling is iffy, and he's a bit sloppy. The dude can carry himself in a match, plain and simple. He knows how to work.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 9:52:54 GMT -5
Personally i think he could be one of the worst ing wrestlers on the planet earth AND its a disgrace to even have A guy LIKE Cena to be THE MAN. Think about all the better superstars than Cena who don't get as many chances, who don't get as many championships, who don't get crap. I have TWO examples. CM punk defeats Cena three or four times. But to get respect he has to beat Cena another time for a championship. WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT DESERVE A TITLE SHOTPeople like Wade Barret,Dolph Ziggler, Daniel Bryan, HELL EVEN CODY RHODES!! He only does 5 in moves and the match is over. Another example is over the limit 2011. Watch that whole match look how miz decimates cena then watch the ending. WTF! WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED? miz kicks the crap out of cena and lost in less than a minuet. WTF. Having a No TALENT like Cena is one thing But then haveing him as top guy? WHAT THE DOES HE DO. HE CANT WRESTLE LIKE SHAWN, TAKER, ANGLE, FLAIR, PUNK, BRYAN, AUSTIN, ROCK, HELL HE CANT EVEN WRESTLE LIKE ORTON!!! My point is if the guy cant wrestle then why is he the top guy?
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Post by pxkgotosleep on Nov 6, 2012 9:57:20 GMT -5
I'm not giving my stance on the subject because of your needless arrogance and rudeness in regards to this topic. Yeah.. Sup with the 'rules'? lol. I saw Cena do a suicide dive once. It was terrible. Least he tries though.
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Post by k5 on Nov 6, 2012 10:00:07 GMT -5
he is the utmost definition of the 'wwe style' which is about as watered down and bland as wrestling gets.
his character is a complete loser, too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 10:07:47 GMT -5
Can we still not post anything below 2 paragraphs? Keep pics of Angelina Valentine in your sig and you can do whatever you want.
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Post by nexusagainstus on Nov 6, 2012 10:36:57 GMT -5
When Triple H and Shawn Michaels both tout you off as one of the best workers of all time in the Industry, I would say you're pretty damn good. My only complaint about Cena's work is that he can be a sloppy bumper at times, but other than that, he's the man.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Nov 6, 2012 10:55:15 GMT -5
Personally i think he could be one of the worst ing wrestlers on the planet earth AND its a disgrace to even have A guy LIKE Cena to be THE MAN. Think about all the better superstars than Cena who don't get as many chances, who don't get as many championships, who don't get crap. I have TWO examples. CM punk defeats Cena three or four times. But to get respect he has to beat Cena another time for a championship. WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT DESERVE A TITLE SHOTPeople like Wade Barret,Dolph Ziggler, Daniel Bryan, HELL EVEN CODY RHODES!! He only does 5 in moves and the match is over. Another example is over the limit 2011. Watch that whole match look how miz decimates cena then watch the ending. WTF! WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED? miz kicks the crap out of cena and lost in less than a minuet. WTF. Having a No TALENT like Cena is one thing But then haveing him as top guy? WHAT THE DOES HE DO. HE CANT WRESTLE LIKE SHAWN, TAKER, ANGLE, FLAIR, PUNK, BRYAN, AUSTIN, ROCK, HELL HE CANT EVEN WRESTLE LIKE ORTON!!! My point is if the guy cant wrestle then why is he the top guy? His position of main event status is proof that if you can't "get over" as a person then casual fans don't care. Granted this had already been covered, but I suppose not thoroughly enough. Obvious John's demographic are the least wrestling savvy section of the audience. The casual spectator only go for their belief in a family friend environment since they're hoping it will keep their rotten children satisfied for a few hours. It's extremely difficult to argue with his bad effect on wrestling, but's hard to argue with his contributions of the positive variety as well. He draws money & people into the building. They go for him & stay for the rest of the show which is how you makes fans out of people. When you make fans out of people they'll find other wrestlers they like soon enough & will begin to buy their merchandise as well. Granted, that doesn't describe many of us here, but we are the lowest common denominator, but there are still people who become mega fans from other people's encouragement. Moving on, no he is not a wrestling savant, but he clearly loves it & works hard to be loyal to the company & compensate for his flaws which sometimes could even have been his charms if they hadn't booked him like superman so much over the years. To conclude you can't be as cut & dry. In case you forgot, he has suffered the fewest injuries of any WWE or WH Champion since 2005. Yes he had a pectoral tear, yes he has an elbow rupture, but that is only two injuries compared to his fellow title holders such as Edge, Undertaker, Triple H who are no where near the capabilities they were before, if not retired(edge). There is a reason for that. It's not the best reason, but it is the reason why he's the top guy. He wrestles a dumbed down "safe" style to protect WWE's franchise player as stated prior.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Nov 6, 2012 10:57:24 GMT -5
I'm not giving my stance on the subject because of your needless arrogance and rudeness in regards to this topic. Yeah.. Sup with the 'rules'? lol. I saw Cena do a suicide dive once. It was terrible. Least he tries though. A momentary ladle on memory. I'm used to dealing with idiots on Facebook where I can just click delete & quote Damien Sandow. Much like now, Thank you for your irrelevant opinion.
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Post by LeighD on Nov 6, 2012 12:19:30 GMT -5
I am strictly speaking in-ring pro-wrestling wise. DO I think John Cena has wrestling talent and skills? Yes absolutely. He has had some classic matches that have gone considerable lengths of time, one most noeteably is his match against HBK on RAW day after WrestleMania 23. These should be loud answers as to whether or not the man can go.
However he is no Bret Hart, HBK, or Flair, whom I believe to have been the best ever (in-ring-wise). But Cena is the kind of guy that if WWE told him "You need to incorporate 10 new moves" he would do it. The man has that kind of love for the business and I believe is very knowledgeable about how to wrestle but its WWE that chooses to keep him limited.
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