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Post by gelatinoustapeworm on Nov 13, 2012 21:20:19 GMT -5
I think what people should be more offended by is the fact that WWE filmed Lawler's entire heart attack, including having a camera crew follow him to the back while he was being given CPR and being loaded into the ambulance when nobody knew how this thing was going to turn out and they could have very well been filming his death. Exactly! If there was something to be offended by, that would have been it.
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Post by awesomeallamerican on Nov 13, 2012 23:24:12 GMT -5
This is silly. If the man who had the heart attack isn't offended by the WWE exploiting, then why should any of us be?
Everyone is always complaining that more realism is needed in the product, but when the WWE delivers we complain even more? If you can't separate the show from real life, then you probably should just stop watching wrestling.
The WWE wanted to get Punk more heat, it delivered and no rational people had their feelings hurt.
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Post by Daniel Arshad on Nov 14, 2012 1:52:49 GMT -5
Guys, it's a TV show.....is anybody getting offended that Matthew Mcconaughey is filming a movie playing a character who died of AIDs? What about other TV shows were characters either die of ailments such as heart attacks, cancer, or strokes? Hell, I've seen some Soap Opera's where characters actually FAKE having cancer or lie about being raped. It's all just part of the story. Anybody who honestly gets offended by anything they see on a TV show is taking it way too seriously. Yes but it was tasteless considering that Eddie Guerrero and Brian Pillman died of heart attacks while they were still in the show. My Auntie burst into tears when she watched it.Does she hate Punk now and wants Ryback and Cena to tear him apart this sunday? That's exactly what the motive behind that segment was? I know you're not a new fan, per se, and I'm not one of those people who berate "new fans", but the reaction of many people to this segment, coupled with the mother a few months earlier who wanted Del Rio to apologize for tearing up her son's sign really makes me wish people would educate themselves a little bit about professional wrestling before they start labeling themselves as "fans".
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Nov 14, 2012 4:44:19 GMT -5
Something else I thought of...
This is definitely one thing I miss about kayfabe. Back when I was a kid people would have said "CM Punk made fun of Jerry! I can't wait for Cena and Ryback to destroy him", now it's "Those writers make me sick".
Angles like this have always happened. It's something simple that helps get the heels over. Problem is that we now know it isn't real. Not to mention that people seem to be more easily offended now that they were then. And yet if a movie showed some jerk making fun of an old man who's had a heart attack, we wouldn't think about how distasteful the writers are, we'd feel empathy for the old man or disdain for the jerk. Yes, wrestling uses real life issues and blur the lines of fantasy. But at the end of the day they are still essentially a fictional show.
Wrestling fans really need to take a step back and look at things like that. It happened to Lawler, which makes him the only person who has the right to be offended. They didn't make fun of any other person with heart problems. the made fun of him specifically.
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Post by Dan on Nov 14, 2012 5:35:47 GMT -5
I did feel a bit uncomfortable watching it, but you know King would of given them full permission to do so.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Nov 15, 2012 14:45:05 GMT -5
Lawler did an angle in Memphis a couple of years ago where someone accused him of causing Andy Kaufman's cancer with the piledriver.
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Post by wabarrett on Nov 15, 2012 14:48:15 GMT -5
Something else I thought of... This is definitely one thing I miss about kayfabe. Back when I was a kid people would have said "CM Punk made fun of Jerry! I can't wait for Cena and Ryback to destroy him", now it's "Those writers make me sick". Angles like this have always happened. It's something simple that helps get the heels over. Problem is that we now know it isn't real. Not to mention that people seem to be more easily offended now that they were then. And yet if a movie showed some jerk making fun of an old man who's had a heart attack, we wouldn't think about how distasteful the writers are, we'd feel empathy for the old man or disdain for the jerk. Yes, wrestling uses real life issues and blur the lines of fantasy. But at the end of the day they are still essentially a fictional show. Wrestling fans really need to take a step back and look at things like that. It happened to Lawler, which makes him the only person who has the right to be offended. They didn't make fun of any other person with heart problems. the made fun of him specifically. Exactly. Well said. People need to remember this is just a TV show and at the same time immerse themselves in it like it's not just a TV show. That's exactly what we do with movies.
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Post by E-Noon on Nov 15, 2012 18:46:37 GMT -5
I think what people should be more offended by is the fact that WWE filmed Lawler's entire heart attack, including having a camera crew follow him to the back while he was being given CPR and being loaded into the ambulance when nobody knew how this thing was going to turn out and they could have very well been filming his death. That was the only thing that bothered me about the whole segment. It just didn't feel right watching all of it. And it didn't so much bother me that they filmed it, but that they actually aired. Just because they had the footage didn't mean they had to use it. They could have use some of Cole's updates in the night, the footage when you just see the group of people at the table, and then the footage of when he returned home. This. Couldnt believe they aired/shot that footage.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 20:58:35 GMT -5
The worst part of the attitude era were far worst than this, they used JRs bells palsy for Gods sakes. People that got all butt hurt by this need to get thicker skin, I thought it was funny.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 21:02:31 GMT -5
Something else I thought of... This is definitely one thing I miss about kayfabe. Back when I was a kid people would have said "CM Punk made fun of Jerry! I can't wait for Cena and Ryback to destroy him", now it's "Those writers make me sick". Angles like this have always happened. It's something simple that helps get the heels over. Problem is that we now know it isn't real. Not to mention that people seem to be more easily offended now that they were then. And yet if a movie showed some jerk making fun of an old man who's had a heart attack, we wouldn't think about how distasteful the writers are, we'd feel empathy for the old man or disdain for the jerk. Yes, wrestling uses real life issues and blur the lines of fantasy. But at the end of the day they are still essentially a fictional show. Wrestling fans really need to take a step back and look at things like that. It happened to Lawler, which makes him the only person who has the right to be offended. They didn't make fun of any other person with heart problems. the made fun of him specifically. WE think that because we are all smark internet fans on these forums. Still tons of people in the crowds and people only watch on TV that totally think its all legit or somewhat real that have no idea writers make this all up.
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Post by MrPerfect25 on Nov 15, 2012 21:41:09 GMT -5
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Post by Joe Delta on Nov 15, 2012 22:45:27 GMT -5
Heart attacks are not funny, people in my family have died from them and seeing that offensive segment last night has made me question whether I should continue watching WWE. I always knew CM Punk was a jerk in real life but I have lost respect for Heyman and Lawler aswell. The writer came up with that crap and those selfish bastards decided to play it out and yes Jerry Lawler survived a heart attack BUT he should've thought about other people that weren't so lucky before agreeing to take part in that sick segment. The worst parts of the Attitude era weren't as bad and tasteless as this. It was tasteless, but you must realise that anything that he does is golden to the IWC.
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Post by RWA on Nov 16, 2012 6:06:16 GMT -5
It was an angle for christ sake! You should have expected it as soon they announced lawler would return. How can you hate Punk and Heyman when they're just playing their characters, don't see people spreading hate for actors in movies who alot worst, they're just playing a character too.
The timing was a bit off with it been the anniversary of eddie's death sure, but they obviously wanted it done before SvS
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Post by marino13 on Nov 16, 2012 9:34:13 GMT -5
I heard a breast cancer joke on Family Guy last night! I highly doubt their message boards were lit up over it.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Nov 16, 2012 11:47:55 GMT -5
It was an angle for christ sake! You should have expected it as soon they announced lawler would return. How can you hate Punk and Heyman when they're just playing their characters, don't see people spreading hate for actors in movies who alot worst, they're just playing a character too. Exactly. Like when Punk did that promo on the stage, nobody praised him. Everyone just said "CM Punk is just playing his character." It's funny how if an IWC darling wrestler does something bad/crappy, it's the writers fault. But if they do something good, it's always themselves with no credit to the writers. Fanboy logic, I guess.
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Post by bigraj on Nov 16, 2012 13:06:01 GMT -5
Anyone expecting a wrestling company to exhibit good taste with stuff like this hasn't been watching wrestling long enough.
Both of my grandfathers died from heart attacks (my maternal Gramps after his 2nd one), and a grandmother from a stroke. I'm fairly certain I'll meet my end similarly and joke about it a lot. I can understand being sensitive about it, but when the guy who actually suffered the heart attack has absolutely no problem with using it in an angle later on, I see no reason for anyone else to be offended.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2012 13:24:34 GMT -5
I think what people should be more offended by is the fact that WWE filmed Lawler's entire heart attack, including having a camera crew follow him to the back while he was being given CPR and being loaded into the ambulance when nobody knew how this thing was going to turn out and they could have very well been filming his death. That was the only thing that bothered me about the whole segment. It just didn't feel right watching all of it. And it didn't so much bother me that they filmed it, but that they actually aired. Just because they had the footage didn't mean they had to use it. They could have use some of Cole's updates in the night, the footage when you just see the group of people at the table, and then the footage of when he returned home. Metzler reported the heart attack was a work from the beginning, and by the way heart attacks are pretty funny, my uncle had one and we all had a good laugh over it. #mindovermatter #RockVsStoneCold
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Post by MrPerfect25 on Nov 16, 2012 13:36:35 GMT -5
the heart attack wasn't a work. He had one. The angle making fun of it is the work.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 16, 2012 13:49:53 GMT -5
Heart attacks are not funny, people in my family have died from them and seeing that offensive segment last night has made me question whether I should continue watching WWE. I always knew CM Punk was a jerk in real life but I have lost respect for Heyman and Lawler aswell. The writer came up with that crap and those selfish bastards decided to play it out and yes Jerry Lawler survived a heart attack BUT he should've thought about other people that weren't so lucky before agreeing to take part in that sick segment. The worst parts of the Attitude era weren't as bad and tasteless as this. What a bunch of tripe. Sing me a lullaby. They give Jerry time on the mic to thank the fans and have his say then they let Punk interrupt. Obviously you have a short memory concerning the attitude era when i remember a lot worse. Bottom line Jerry was ok with it and it made perfect sense from a business stand point. Hey..you dont like it? Guess what...CHANGE THE CHANNEL DONT WATCH IT!
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Post by bobothegoblin on Nov 16, 2012 18:51:14 GMT -5
Heart attacks are not funny, people in my family have died from them and seeing that offensive segment last night has made me question whether I should continue watching WWE. I always knew CM Punk was a jerk in real life but I have lost respect for Heyman and Lawler aswell. The writer came up with that crap and those selfish bastards decided to play it out and yes Jerry Lawler survived a heart attack BUT he should've thought about other people that weren't so lucky before agreeing to take part in that sick segment. The worst parts of the Attitude era weren't as bad and tasteless as this. What a bunch of tripe. Sing me a lullaby. They give Jerry time on the mic to thank the fans and have his say then they let Punk interrupt. Obviously you have a short memory concerning the attitude era when i remember a lot worse. Bottom line Jerry was ok with it and it made perfect sense from a business stand point. Hey..you dont like it? Guess what...CHANGE THE CHANNEL DONT WATCH IT! Maybe content from the attitude era didn't offend him like the heart attack angke did. No one makes fun of cancer so why make fun of heart attacks?
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