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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 26, 2013 10:21:16 GMT -5
So it's been in the pledge for close to 100 years and has impacted the lives of 0 people. It's been on the money for 60 years and again, no one had been affected.
I'm sitting next to a Muslim right now. Shockingly, he has never tried to kill me. Amazing isn't it?
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Post by GBGav on Nov 26, 2013 10:58:34 GMT -5
The appearance of there being more atheists than there used to be is an illusion. We were always there but just never really voiced it. We don't come together as a community nor do we protest in huge numbers against something. Only fairly recently have more atheists started to speak out a bit more against the oppressiveness that can occur in religion. Children being forced to believe by devout parents (they're too young to know what they believe) and women being harshly ruled under the Muslim side of things are just two examples. We know we're fighting an uphill battle, as is evident on here by people who appear to be blind believers or re-use lame arguments like "it's in the constitution." The founding fathers never intended for a nation under one god since it was based on secularism and even Jefferson was considered to be atheist.
You'd be surprised at how many people in the US are atheist. A lot of politicians for sure. Only 47% of Americans would vote for an atheist presidential candidate so if they want to get ahead in the game, is it any surprise they'd want to keep that quiet?
Do not get me wrong, I like some ideas that religion can promote (basically just be a nice person) but as long as you have common sense and morality then you don't need something to have faith in. Though some people do need it to keep themselves in check because they lack common sense and education.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 11:33:37 GMT -5
Im surprised this thread has remained as calm as it has.
I think Angolas decision will ultimately bring them more harm than good though.It will likely draw them the ire of extremists.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Nov 26, 2013 11:43:15 GMT -5
Nah, it's all good. The discussion has been pretty civilized so far, I see no reason why this needs to be locked.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Nov 26, 2013 11:47:11 GMT -5
So it's been in the pledge for close to 100 years and has impacted the lives of 0 people. It's been on the money for 60 years and again, no one had been affected. I'm sitting next to a Muslim right now. Shockingly, he has never tried to kill me. Amazing isn't it? Sent from my ADR6350 using proboards It's unconstitutional. Plain and simple. And your Muslim friend may not have tried to kill you, but that doesn't change the fact that his religion dictates slaughtering all "non-believers".
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Post by StingerSplash on Nov 26, 2013 11:48:31 GMT -5
When the majority of your country believes in a God, you are inevitably going to see their faith come out in their actions. So stating that prayer and things should be banned is just preposterous considering you can't force someone to keep their beliefs private. (First Amendment, anyone?) I understand the argument that public, federally operated entities, such as schools, shouldn't force or mandate prayers or 'religious activities,' but you cannot expect those who have a faith to keep it within the confines of their home. That's trampling on their rights. As far as education, creationism is just as much of a theory as evolution, and I believe both should be taught. Teaching only one theory is depriving students of real theories and beliefs that, like it or not, play a huge role in the world. So it's been in the pledge for close to 100 years and has impacted the lives of 0 people. It's been on the money for 60 years and again, no one had been affected. I'm sitting next to a Muslim right now. Shockingly, he has never tried to kill me. Amazing isn't it? Sent from my ADR6350 using proboards It's unconstitutional. Plain and simple. And your Muslim friend may not have tried to kill you, but that doesn't change the fact that his religion dictates slaughtering all "non-believers". Also, 'unconstitutional' gets thrown around a lot. The Constitution prohibits the establishment of a state-religion, or a religion forced upon the citizens. Neither 'One nation under God,' nor 'In God we trust' force anything upon anyone.
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Post by Punk on Nov 26, 2013 12:23:43 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the Kuran doesn't say to 'Kill all Non believers'.
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Post by Fleet Foxes on Nov 26, 2013 12:25:28 GMT -5
The appearance of there being more atheists than there used to be is an illusion. We were always there but just never really voiced it. We don't come together as a community nor do we protest in huge numbers against something. Only fairly recently have more atheists started to speak out a bit more against the oppressiveness that can occur in religion. Children being forced to believe by devout parents (they're too young to know what they believe) and women being harshly ruled under the Muslim side of things are just two examples. We know we're fighting an uphill battle, as is evident on here by people who appear to be blind believers or re-use lame arguments like "it's in the constitution." The founding fathers never intended for a nation under one god since it was based on secularism and even Jefferson was considered to be atheist. You'd be surprised at how many people in the US are atheist. A lot of politicians for sure. Only 47% of Americans would vote for an atheist presidential candidate so if they want to get ahead in the game, is it any surprise they'd want to keep that quiet? Do not get me wrong, I like some ideas that religion can promote (basically just be a nice person) but as long as you have common sense and morality then you don't need something to have faith in. Though some people do need it to keep themselves in check because they lack common sense and education. You have Jesus in your sig. Checkmate, atheist
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 26, 2013 12:48:42 GMT -5
The appearance of there being more atheists than there used to be is an illusion. We were always there but just never really voiced it. We don't come together as a community nor do we protest in huge numbers against something. Only fairly recently have more atheists started to speak out a bit more against the oppressiveness that can occur in religion. Children being forced to believe by devout parents (they're too young to know what they believe) and women being harshly ruled under the Muslim side of things are just two examples. We know we're fighting an uphill battle, as is evident on here by people who appear to be blind believers or re-use lame arguments like "it's in the constitution." The founding fathers never intended for a nation under one god since it was based on secularism and even Jefferson was considered to be atheist. You'd be surprised at how many people in the US are atheist. A lot of politicians for sure. Only 47% of Americans would vote for an atheist presidential candidate so if they want to get ahead in the game, is it any surprise they'd want to keep that quiet? Do not get me wrong, I like some ideas that religion can promote (basically just be a nice person) but as long as you have common sense and morality then you don't need something to have faith in. Though some people do need it to keep themselves in check because they lack common sense and education. Every poll I've seen has atheists in America in the single digits. They're hardly a silent majority.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 26, 2013 12:53:35 GMT -5
So it's been in the pledge for close to 100 years and has impacted the lives of 0 people. It's been on the money for 60 years and again, no one had been affected. I'm sitting next to a Muslim right now. Shockingly, he has never tried to kill me. Amazing isn't it? Sent from my ADR6350 using proboards It's unconstitutional. Plain and simple. And your Muslim friend may not have tried to kill you, but that doesn't change the fact that his religion dictates slaughtering all "non-believers". Have you ever read the Bible? I mean, actually read it cover to cover? 'Cuz if you did, you'd realize that it tells people to kill witches. That's in the Christian Bible and the Jewish Scriptures as well. It says to kill witches. Strangely enough, you don't see Jews out killing witches with their Christian friends. Nor do you see Christians out killing witches either. If I was to kill some Wiccan today you probably would not find many Jews or Christians applauding me for my actions. But, yeah, let's pick one thing that no one actually does and claim that everyone who follows that religion believes that.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 26, 2013 13:53:53 GMT -5
Also, every atheistic society we've seen so far has been fairly tyrannical.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Nov 26, 2013 14:23:32 GMT -5
It's unconstitutional. Plain and simple. And your Muslim friend may not have tried to kill you, but that doesn't change the fact that his religion dictates slaughtering all "non-believers". Have you ever read the Bible? I mean, actually read it cover to cover? 'Cuz if you did, you'd realize that it tells people to kill witches. That's in the Christian Bible and the Jewish Scriptures as well. It says to kill witches. Strangely enough, you don't see Jews out killing witches with their Christian friends. Nor do you see Christians out killing witches either. If I was to kill some Wiccan today you probably would not find many Jews or Christians applauding me for my actions. But, yeah, let's pick one thing that no one actually does and claim that everyone who follows that religion believes that. Ummm... So I guess you haven't heard of all the beheading that Muslims do all the time? It may not happen here but it does happen. Don't say that no one does it because that's a straight out lie. And you should know better than to accuse me of singling out one religion. Yes, I have read the Bible and I'm well aware of it's ridiculous rules or whatever which is one of the main reasons why I'm so against it. And aiming to kill those that do not wish to convert is much broader than killing witches. Nothing good comes from religion. NOTHING.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Nov 26, 2013 14:30:30 GMT -5
When the majority of your country believes in a God, you are inevitably going to see their faith come out in their actions. So stating that prayer and things should be banned is just preposterous considering you can't force someone to keep their beliefs private. (First Amendment, anyone?) I understand the argument that public, federally operated entities, such as schools, shouldn't force or mandate prayers or 'religious activities,' but you cannot expect those who have a faith to keep it within the confines of their home. That's trampling on their rights. As far as education, creationism is just as much of a theory as evolution, and I believe both should be taught. Teaching only one theory is depriving students of real theories and beliefs that, like it or not, play a huge role in the world. It's unconstitutional. Plain and simple. And your Muslim friend may not have tried to kill you, but that doesn't change the fact that his religion dictates slaughtering all "non-believers". Also, 'unconstitutional' gets thrown around a lot. The Constitution prohibits the establishment of a state-religion, or a religion forced upon the citizens. Neither 'One nation under God,' nor 'In God we trust' force anything upon anyone.Of course they are. They're forcing their belief that this is "One nation under god" and it most certainly is not and never was. I don't want a country that supports their illogical beliefs, fairy tales and invisible sky daddies as fact and that this country must be based upon them. That is wrong. It may not be hurting anyone but it's the principle. The whole reason our forefathers left England was to escape the oppressions of religion which is way they made it very clear that church MUST BE separated from church and state. I'm pretty sure the Kuran doesn't say to 'Kill all Non believers'. These are actual quotes from the Quran itself:
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Post by Rule 30 on Nov 26, 2013 14:44:16 GMT -5
I understand not believing in religion, because I don't either, but banning religion is foolish. A lot of atheists complain about religious people forcing their beliefs down their throats, but isn't banning religion forcing your beliefs down their throats?
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Post by Tim of thee on Nov 26, 2013 15:59:25 GMT -5
Have you ever read the Bible? I mean, actually read it cover to cover? 'Cuz if you did, you'd realize that it tells people to kill witches. That's in the Christian Bible and the Jewish Scriptures as well. It says to kill witches. Strangely enough, you don't see Jews out killing witches with their Christian friends. Nor do you see Christians out killing witches either. If I was to kill some Wiccan today you probably would not find many Jews or Christians applauding me for my actions. But, yeah, let's pick one thing that no one actually does and claim that everyone who follows that religion believes that. Ummm... So I guess you haven't heard of all the beheading that Muslims do all the time? It may not happen here but it does happen. Don't say that no one does it because that's a straight out lie. And you should know better than to accuse me of singling out one religion. Yes, I have read the Bible and I'm well aware of it's ridiculous rules or whatever which is one of the main reasons why I'm so against it. And aiming to kill those that do not wish to convert is much broader than killing witches. Nothing good comes from religion. NOTHING. Do you have Christain friends? How about Muslim friends? If so, are you afraid that they will chop your head off? Are you afraid your Christian friends will burn you at the stake? Also I'm still confused by your reasoning earlier. How does this "keep it to yourself" business work with human rights? To me, that language reads tyrannically.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 26, 2013 18:03:15 GMT -5
Have you ever read the Bible? I mean, actually read it cover to cover? 'Cuz if you did, you'd realize that it tells people to kill witches. That's in the Christian Bible and the Jewish Scriptures as well. It says to kill witches. Strangely enough, you don't see Jews out killing witches with their Christian friends. Nor do you see Christians out killing witches either. If I was to kill some Wiccan today you probably would not find many Jews or Christians applauding me for my actions. But, yeah, let's pick one thing that no one actually does and claim that everyone who follows that religion believes that. Ummm... So I guess you haven't heard of all the beheading that Muslims do all the time? It may not happen here but it does happen. Don't say that no one does it because that's a straight out lie. And you should know better than to accuse me of singling out one religion. Yes, I have read the Bible and I'm well aware of it's ridiculous rules or whatever which is one of the main reasons why I'm so against it. And aiming to kill those that do not wish to convert is much broader than killing witches. Nothing good comes from religion. NOTHING. That statement alone just speaks volumes of ignorance. Seriously, volumes of ignorance. I could list off a whole slew of examples of the good that comes from religion though I suspect it wouldn't change your mind at all. Heck, just look at people like Gandhi and Mother Theresa and the things they did that were motivated by religion. We could go a lot farther back than that, but we really don't have to. The things done by them aren't ground breaking or new, nor are they things done in the past that don't happen any more. Did you know that religious people give more per capita than the non-religious do? If you factor out the obvious (giving to churches and other religious organizations) religious people STILL give more per capita than the non-religious even to non-religious institutions (humane societies, zoos, non-religious homeless shelters, food banks, etc.....). But no good comes from religion. When Katrina hit, you know what groups were the first ones there offering aid? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't FEMA and the feds. It was local churches and charities in the area showing up with food, bottled water, temporary shelters, etc.... FEMA has since left New Orleans, but those same churches and charities are STILL there. Why? Because there's still a need and their religion teaches them that he who would be greatest in the Kingdom must first be a servant. Just look at the typhoon in the Philippines. Who was the first one's there? Various religious and religious based charities and you can bet money they will be there long after foreign aid is gone. And all of this says nothing about the billions of people who's lives have been changed by their faith. We all know people who've had their life turned completely around by their faith. Nothing good comes from religion? Seriously? That's one of the most ignorant statements I've ever seen.
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Post by Dat guy ova der on Nov 26, 2013 18:17:10 GMT -5
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Post by Spear Guy on Nov 26, 2013 19:09:39 GMT -5
We should worship this guy over there
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Post by RybackV1 on Nov 26, 2013 22:20:46 GMT -5
I think religion causes more problems and fights than a lot of things. And I think it should be outlawed as a whole in these countries who don't know how to practice it correctly and go around killing people. Some countries take religion way too far and if there is a god., they do things that would make him sick, while thinking they are praising his name. It's all backwards. And it's all ed.
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Post by slappy on Nov 26, 2013 22:48:12 GMT -5
I think religion causes more problems and fights than a lot of things. And I think it should be outlawed as a whole in these countries who don't know how to practice it correctly and go around killing people. Some countries take religion way too far and if there is a god., they do things that would make him sick, while thinking they are praising his name. It's all backwards. And it's all ed. So then it's the people who are a problem not the religion.
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