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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 27, 2014 18:56:16 GMT -5
Unless this is all part of some huge storyline....I'd just fire Daniel Bryan. His mere presence in the company is a huge distraction. Daniel Bryan has ruined more segments that HE WASN'T EVEN IN than the WHAT chant. He's WORSE than WHAT! It's embarrassing that the hardcore mark fans are RUINING other wrestlers moments, like Batista winning the Rumble and Orton winning the Championship by chanting YES/NO and DANIEL BRYAN when Daniel Bryan isn't even IN THE SEGMENT, and those fans are also ruining WWE for those of us who are not OBSESSED with Daniel Bryan. Yeah, I like Daniel Bryan, too. I think he's a great wrestler and I enjoy his matches....but I don't go into work everyday and yell NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!NO! at my boss because nothing on the morning meeting agenda has anything to do with Daniel Bryan. Be a Daniel Bryan fan and when Daniel Bryan is involved in the segment, cheer for him or boo at him as much as you want...but when Daniel Bryan's segment is over, just drop it and focus on who IS in the segment. I mean, do you guys want Daniel Bryan to be on RAW for the entire 3 hours tonight? Will there be OUTRAGE if 15 minutes goes by and Daniel Bryan is not seen, heard from, or mentioned? This whole thing is really crazy. Are you trying to break the entire forum? You probably just started 20 fights on here... I'm not trying to start any fights. I like Daniel Bryan. He's one of the best wrestlers they have....but when I'm trying to enjoy Damien Sandow vs. Dolph Ziggler, it's a huge pain in the ass and a distraction to have the entire crowd chanting for Daniel Bryan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 18:57:40 GMT -5
Dude you hate on the Yankees offseason moves and now Daniel Bryan, Are you serious bro? Jk. I don't think they're "ruining" anyone's moment, no one cares about Batista and that was obvious by the lack of a pop he got at the rumble and when he returned Like Lance Storm said....all those extra people didn't tune into RAW last week by accident. Clearly there is a huge interest in Batista. Batista came back and was a face. He was supposed to be the one to dethrone Orton once and for all. He should get getting MAJOR face pops. But instead, he was treated horribly and his moment was RUINED simply for NOT being Daniel Bryan. So if they have a match tonight between CM Punk and a returning ROB VAN DAM (just an example, RVD isn't back), are fans going to sit there and BOO the whole match because neither guy in the ring in Daniel Bryan? It just ruins the show for me when other wrestlers are out there busting their ass and the fans are totally not paying attention because they're belching about Daniel Bryan. It's disrespectful to everyone else on the roster who goes out there and puts their body on the line to do what they love. A lot of people also tuned in to the first XFL show and how did that turn out the next week.........People were curious to see Batista return and he did........in disappointing fashion. If is presence continues to sustain the rating boost than that's a different story but I doubt it will happen.
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Post by @Sweetbob on Jan 27, 2014 19:00:56 GMT -5
I know I'm a part of it. I should have used quotes around 'IWC', meaning what the WWE believes the IWC is...'irrational people who freak out and post YouTube videos of themselves trashing their house after CM Punk loses.' Fair enough, lol that guy is insane. Are his videos fake? (I'm assuming you are talking about the guy that ripped his Rock dvd in half after Rock beat Punk) Yeah, they're fake. He was in a video last night after Batista won the Rumble. I saw it in a thread last night. I lasted about 15 seconds and I couldn't take it, so I closed the video.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 27, 2014 19:03:13 GMT -5
Like Lance Storm said....all those extra people didn't tune into RAW last week by accident. Clearly there is a huge interest in Batista. Batista came back and was a face. He was supposed to be the one to dethrone Orton once and for all. He should get getting MAJOR face pops. But instead, he was treated horribly and his moment was RUINED simply for NOT being Daniel Bryan. So if they have a match tonight between CM Punk and a returning ROB VAN DAM (just an example, RVD isn't back), are fans going to sit there and BOO the whole match because neither guy in the ring in Daniel Bryan? It just ruins the show for me when other wrestlers are out there busting their ass and the fans are totally not paying attention because they're belching about Daniel Bryan. It's disrespectful to everyone else on the roster who goes out there and puts their body on the line to do what they love. A lot of people also tuned in to the first XFL show and how did that turn out the next week.........People were curious to see Batista return and he did........in disappointing fashion. If is presence continues to sustain the rating boost than that's a different story but I doubt it will happen. Again, like Lance Storm said...who gets chanted for the loudest doesn't mean they should get pushed the most. People chant Daniel Bryan's name because it's easy, it's fun, and it's FREE....but those PPV's that he was in the MAIN EVENT and had Championship matches, not enough people were willing to put their money where their mouth was. The buyrates were not good for the PPV's that Bryan main evented when Cena was out. I know you all are going to blame "Blandy Boreton"...but it takes 2 to tango. So until Daniel Bryan starts putting asses in seats who wouldn't be there if not for him, getting people to buy PPV's or subscribe to the WWE Network ONLY because of him, buying his merchandise in DROVES....he should not be the face of the WWE or get the Title. John Cena is still the man in WWE. The vocal minority will chant Daniel Brayn's name....but the quiet majority will put their money down for John Cena, Batista, Triple H, Randy Orton, Brock Lesnar and Undertaker.
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Post by The Yes Man on Jan 27, 2014 19:04:39 GMT -5
The solution: make Daniel Bryan THE guy.
They chant for Bryan during matches he deserves to be in. Not every single match.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 19:06:44 GMT -5
A lot of people also tuned in to the first XFL show and how did that turn out the next week.........People were curious to see Batista return and he did........in disappointing fashion. If is presence continues to sustain the rating boost than that's a different story but I doubt it will happen. Again, like Lance Storm said...who gets chanted for the loudest doesn't mean they should get pushed the most. People chant Daniel Bryan's name because it's easy, it's fun, and it's FREE....but those PPV's that he was in the MAIN EVENT and had Championship matches, not enough people were willing to put their money where their mouth was. The buyrates were not good for the PPV's that Bryan main evented when Cena was out. I know you all are going to blame "Blandy Boreton"...but it takes 2 to tango. So until Daniel Bryan starts putting asses in seats who wouldn't be there if not for him, getting people to buy PPV's or subscribe to the WWE Network ONLY because of him, buying his merchandise in DROVES....he should not be the face of the WWE or get the Title. John Cena is still the man in WWE. The vocal minority will chant Daniel Brayn's name....but the quiet majority will put their money down for John Cena, Batista, Triple H, Randy Orton, Brock Lesnar and Undertaker. It does take two to tango but remember the people were tired of being jerked around with the wacky ways they came up with to take the belt back off Bryan leading to another PPV where they did the same damn thing to him.
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Post by The Yes Man on Jan 27, 2014 19:07:40 GMT -5
A lot of people also tuned in to the first XFL show and how did that turn out the next week.........People were curious to see Batista return and he did........in disappointing fashion. If is presence continues to sustain the rating boost than that's a different story but I doubt it will happen. Again, like Lance Storm said...who gets chanted for the loudest doesn't mean they should get pushed the most. People chant Daniel Bryan's name because it's easy, it's fun, and it's FREE....but those PPV's that he was in the MAIN EVENT and had Championship matches, not enough people were willing to put their money where their mouth was. The buyrates were not good for the PPV's that Bryan main evented when Cena was out. I know you all are going to blame "Blandy Boreton"...but it takes 2 to tango. So until Daniel Bryan starts putting asses in seats who wouldn't be there if not for him, getting people to buy PPV's or subscribe to the WWE Network ONLY because of him, buying his merchandise in DROVES....he should not be the face of the WWE or get the Title. John Cena is still the man in WWE. The vocal minority will chant Daniel Brayn's name....but the quiet majority will put their money down for John Cena, Batista, Triple H, Randy Orton, Brock Lesnar and Undertaker. People didn't buy the PPVs Bryan main evented because the story sucked. It wasn't Bryan, not Orton, but the guy that booked that crap.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Jan 27, 2014 19:10:13 GMT -5
Eventually playing around with the audience and not giving them what they want is going to bite WWE in the backside. I hope it does sooner than later.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 19:10:45 GMT -5
Don't believe this one second
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Post by weaseltv on Jan 27, 2014 19:12:51 GMT -5
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Post by slappy on Jan 27, 2014 19:13:59 GMT -5
Like Lance Storm said....all those extra people didn't tune into RAW last week by accident. Clearly there is a huge interest in Batista. Batista came back and was a face. He was supposed to be the one to dethrone Orton once and for all. He should get getting MAJOR face pops. But instead, he was treated horribly and his moment was RUINED simply for NOT being Daniel Bryan. Sometimes things don't work out like they are supposed to. It was only his moment because they want to force it to be his not because people have been pining for it. If the fans want to see something give it to them don't force some old guy down our throats because he's buddies with the guy in charge and because his MMA career didn't pan out like he hoped. So until Daniel Bryan starts putting asses in seats who wouldn't be there if not for him, getting people to buy PPV's or subscribe to the WWE Network ONLY because of him, buying his merchandise in DROVES....he should not be the face of the WWE or get the Title. How exactly do you measure people buying tickets only to see him, only buying PPVs or the network because of him? You can't. You can't measure that with anyone. You can guess but there is no way to know for sure how many people bought something solely for one guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 19:14:14 GMT -5
I agree that the guy that gets the loudest chants shouldn't necessarily get the biggest push or be the GUY (Ryder/Hurricane for example)...............but Bryan is very different. Bryan has proven himself as a main eventer, he beat Cena clean for God sakes and not only that but he has sustained this crowd for over a year now, he isn't just another flavor of the month.
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Post by CMPUNKISGOOD on Jan 27, 2014 19:17:49 GMT -5
If he gets the belt
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 19:19:39 GMT -5
For the people who use the excuse of "the PPVs Bryan main evented did poorly, so he shouldn't be the main guy" should really take a major look at the other matches on the card for each PPV. Night of Champions: Second most billed match was CM Punk vs Curtis Axel and PAUL HEYMAN. Other matches included Del Rio vs RVD for WHC, Ambrose vs Ziggler for US, Axel vs Kofi for IC, and Shield vs Prime Time Players for Tag. Not exactly a card worth spending 60 dollars on.
Battelground: Second most billed match was CM Punk vs Ryback. Other matches included Curtis Axel vs R-Truth for IC, Del Rio vs RVD for WHC in a Hardcore match, the Brotherhood vs Shield, and the Real Americans vs Santino and Khali. Once again, not a card really worth spending 60 dollars on.
Hell in a Cell: Second most billed match was John Cena vs Alberto Del Rio for WHC. Other matches included CM Punk vs Ryback and PAUL HEYMAN in HIAC, The Brotherhood vs Shield vs the Usos for Tag, Big E vs Ambrose for US, and Los Matadores vs Real Americans. Once again, not a very good card to justify spending 60 dollars.
So the problem can't be blamed entirely on Bryan. There has to be a lot of blame put onto the undercard too. Plus you also have to account in other variables such as no one believing Bryan would be booked to win the title until at least Hell in a Cell, really bad booking, and sh*t finishes from previous PPVs (Big Show I'm looking at you).
Same goes for house shows too that have Bryan as the main event. I remember back in September, the house shows in Hamilton and London Ontario were main evented by Del Rio vs Ziggler for the World Title. Attendance didn't end up being the best. Although the problem could be blamed on Del Rio or Ziggler, a bigger blame could be put on who was advertised. The names advertised were Del Rio, Ziggler, the Wyatts, Kofi, and Ryback. The show was filled up with Hunico, Khali, Xavier Woods, etc. While the house shows in Brooklyn and Philly that had advertised Bryan, Orton, Punk, RVD, Shield, Big Show, and the Usos did well from what I can remember. So basically my point is, Bryan isn't the only one to blame for bad house show attendance or PPV buys if the overall card or advertised superstars didn't live up to the ticket price.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 19:26:13 GMT -5
I never take anything Lorenzo says on this forum seriously. He bitches and moans more than anyone else.
Overreacting to the "Daniel Bryan" chants. They aren't for every match. They only chant it during matches they feel he should be in... showing that they want him to appear, or be involved. They didn't chant it during Brock/Show. So, as usual, his bitching is flawed.
Also, the crowd boo'ed Batista from the moment he came out. They also boo'ed because Batista won (and they didn't like it), not because it wasn't Daniel Bryan.
B-b-but they RUINED his moment that he FOUGHT so HARD for! Waaaaah!
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jan 27, 2014 19:29:27 GMT -5
I gotta agree once you sustain crowd reactions like that for almost a year now it is evident its not about what you are saying its about who it is. Bryan was essentially hand picked by the audience back in June-July and hasn't hit a bump in the road since then. Even with the shitty storylines he's been in the crowds are still behind him and that says something.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jan 27, 2014 19:30:12 GMT -5
I would LOVE for this to be true, but I've just had the exact opposite beaten over the back of my head for the past two years. So, you'll have to forgive me if I call this dirt sheet BS.
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Post by The Yes Man on Jan 27, 2014 19:32:13 GMT -5
Anybody remember when Batista got so pissed when Bryan won the WHC at TLC?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 19:34:25 GMT -5
Unless this is all part of some huge storyline....I'd just fire Daniel Bryan. His mere presence in the company is a huge distraction. Daniel Bryan has ruined more segments that HE WASN'T EVEN IN than the WHAT chant. He's WORSE than WHAT! It's embarrassing that the hardcore mark fans are RUINING other wrestlers moments, like Batista winning the Rumble and Orton winning the Championship by chanting YES/NO and DANIEL BRYAN when Daniel Bryan isn't even IN THE SEGMENT, and those fans are also ruining WWE for those of us who are not OBSESSED with Daniel Bryan. Yeah, I like Daniel Bryan, too. I think he's a great wrestler and I enjoy his matches....but I don't go into work everyday and yell NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!NO! at my boss because nothing on the morning meeting agenda has anything to do with Daniel Bryan. Be a Daniel Bryan fan and when Daniel Bryan is involved in the segment, cheer for him or boo at him as much as you want...but when Daniel Bryan's segment is over, just drop it and focus on who IS in the segment. I mean, do you guys want Daniel Bryan to be on RAW for the entire 3 hours tonight? Will there be OUTRAGE if 15 minutes goes by and Daniel Bryan is not seen, heard from, or mentioned? This whole thing is really crazy. Its called being OVER!! Youre telling people who to like and when to cheer for what you want and not what they want.......Vince is that you???..........and we aren't talking about a minority of "hardcore marks" you saw the Rumble crowd ...you saw the Raw crowd and nearly everyone is on this guys bandwagon.......we are talking about THEE majority and they want Bryan at the top.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 19:34:43 GMT -5
What if we get Orton/Lesnar at Elimination Chamber and the Chamber Match is for the shot at WrestleMania?
Even more so, Batista loses in the Chamber... which is won by Daniel Bryan?
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