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Post by ricflair4ever on Feb 1, 2014 23:40:09 GMT -5
I'm one of the few who had no real problem with the legends line. At the time, I looked at them as a great compliment to the CS line. So I bought them all. Now that Mattel has given us a pretty deep selection of classics, I would love the iconic versions of LOD,Sgt Slaughter and Superfly Snuka. But I still appreciate the alternate versions they gave us. The only thing I would have done different would be to swap out the wccw Kerry Von Erich (although I do like that figure) with Magnum TA. Otherwise I was fine with their choices. I will admit that I figured the legends line would continue, so I figured we'd get the iconic looks of some of those guys eventually. I may have been wrong about the line itself, but I still think, with the possible exception of Snuka,we'll see those iconic attires eventually.
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Post by East Coast on Feb 1, 2014 23:41:53 GMT -5
So did I want Road Warriors, Terry Funk in trunks, non-Camo Sarge, Snuka in tights??? Honestly no. But u gotta respect that they tried to entice Jakks collectors by giving them figures they didn't have yet. U can't blame them for not getting to repaints. Its only been 3 years since those figures came out. If they re-did Slaughter, Snuka, Animal, Hawk & Funk.......thats 5 less flashbacks that u would've gotten the last couple years. First, no we do NOT have to respect one of the major reasons the line failed especially when we complained about it WHILE it was going on and they simply brushed us off. Second, "that's 5 less flashbacks that u would've gotten . . . " You say that as if most of us count those figures as done. I still do not have a proper Sgt Slaughter, we have the Road Warriors but NOT Legion of Doom, we don't have a very memorable Funk nor Snuka. So to me, those are still missing just as much as Hogan, Hall, Goldberg. If they gave us a Goldberg wearing jeans and polo with a mic, do you think very many would say, "Well, they gave us Goldberg, check him off the list and move on to someone else." Heck no. I'm still waiting on those guys. I'm hopeful we'll get them. At least Dusty Rhodes actually wrestled at WM6 in that polka dot outfit. Snuka, Slaughter etc....aren't as important as a Goldberg or Hogan. If the first Hogan figure Mattel makes is in a Thunderlips attire.....i would expect and demand that they make another Hogan asap. But again.......getting ANOTHER Slaughter, Snuka etc, just 3 years after the first figures doesn't seem smart. Thats 5 slots for Flashbacks. They only make 11-14 per year. So that means they have to push back the xpacs, lugers, crush, JYD, Ron Simmons figures. In ur mind they should've already re-did those figures. So like i said......5 of the Flashbacks we have gotten in the last 2 years don't exist. That means no Honky Tonk, Mankind....or Yoko. Somebody would've gotten pushed back. In the grand scheme of things, I'm glad to have gotten the HTM or Yokozuna.....and have Luger on the way. Even if it means we have to wait longer for them to do a repaint from the legends line. Also, I don't see how 5 unpopular attire choices sink a whole line. All of those figures were in the first 2 series. They pumped out 4 more series and 3 sets of 2packs after all of that. Nobody said "I'm not buying these awesome Rock, Macho and Warrior figures.......because I didn't like a handful of attire choices they made a couple sets ago" there's been way more poor attire choices and bad figures in the Elite Collection line. They pump out the same crappy Cenas, Reys, Mizs, Big Shows, Sheamus's every other set. And the elite series is going strong |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 23:41:53 GMT -5
I bought the whole first series minus Dusty I quit collecting after that and I regret it cause I missed out on the best figures made...
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Post by The Hitman on Feb 1, 2014 23:42:20 GMT -5
Attire choices and superstar selections. Series one tag teams should of been LOD , Heenan and Andre, and like Jake Roberts and Ricky Steamboat. A team, manager, and feud. The singles should of been Sgt Slaughter in Camo attire. Austin was fine. But add in a Shawn Michaels, Randy Savage, Bret Hart, or Undertaker. Then add an oddball lesser known name like Arn Anderson or Tully. Attire choices were all wrong too.
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Post by FBtagteamsrule on Feb 1, 2014 23:53:47 GMT -5
some the attires sucked(slaughter and snuka not in their iconic attire, wtf) but didnt mind the line-ups overall. sure some waves like legends 2 didnt have the huge star to anchor it but they didnt have alot if they didnt want to use current stars in fb attire like is rumored. the 2-packs were another story and wave 1 should have consisted of road warriors or demolition to anchor it with the other anchoring wave 2. bushwhackers could have been a 2-pack but piper, orton, shiek, and volkoff should have been solo figures.
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Post by tyco84 on Feb 1, 2014 23:58:06 GMT -5
It wasnt because we got sgt slaughter and legion of doom in the wrong colour and jimmy snuka wasnt barefoot. It wasnt because we got unwanted legends (Piper not a legend??? Are you serious??)
It was 2 factors: 1) Mattel thought that Jakks Classic Superstars collectors were an actual larger segment of the market than they actually were and thought that those collectors would be willing to pay more for a superior product, which they were not.
And 2) Mattel was very hindered as to who could be in the line. WWE was very specific that they couldn't have younger versions of current wrestlers, (so no undertaker, shawn michaels or hunter) and wrestlers needed to be under legends contracts. No Jeremy talkin with wrestling legend "X" about getting a figure made. Mattel had to go through very different processes to secure the names in their lineups.
Btw I've always found it hilarious that everyone craps on mattel legends series 2, because it's basically a "middle finger" to Jakks. 6 previously released characters in the classic superstars line, in attires that were most wanted by fans that Jakks almost refused to release them in. And what does Mattel do? Puts those wrestlers in the fans most wanted attire from the get-go!! Pure genius!!
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Post by Chip on Feb 2, 2014 0:15:12 GMT -5
Jakks Classic Series 1
Ultimate Warrior (amazing figure, iconic attire)
Shawn Michaels (amazing figure, iconic attire)
Bret Hart (amazing figure, iconic attire)
Andre the Giant (first "modern" Andre, great headscan)
Undertaker (one of THE worst figures EVER made)
Triple H (cool figure, true "classic" attire)
Mattel Legends Series 1:
Stone Cold Steve Austin (icon, perfect figure)
Ricky Steamboat (someone always wanted in Classic line, cool attire but not as popular)
Dusty Rhodes (middle of the road Legend)
Sgt Slaughter (attire about 25 people actually remembered, middle of the road legend)
Animal (should've been red & black)
Hawk (should've been red & black)
Mattel from the get go, only had Steamboat. He was on almost everyone's "who do you want in the Classic line" figure list, and it's a great figure. although I think of him more in white or black tights than red.
There were like 50 Stone Cold figures released already, while the Legends one was great and completely needed, it was nothing special
The Road Warriors should have been in black & red. WWE fans are going to know WWE superstars by their WWE colors. They were only released in red & black one time and it was the first set of Jakks 2 packs which not a lot of people owned.
Slaughter should have been in camo, plain & simple. Again, WWE fans are going to want figures of WWE superstars in WWE attires, even casuals would remember slaughter in camo
Dusty was a great figure, but like Slaughter not a big enough name
Bottom line, Mattel created the Legends line thinking they would basically make it a continuing of the Jakks Classics, instead of making it a re-start. Thinking that if you had the Jakks red LOD you wouldn't buy the Mattel ones even though they would be 300x better.
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Post by cableV on Feb 2, 2014 0:27:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 0:28:05 GMT -5
If someone says that
LOD
Vader
Mr perfect
British bulldog
Stone cold
Rock
Ruined the line, you are a real dummie
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Post by East Coast on Feb 2, 2014 0:35:51 GMT -5
If someone says that LOD Vader Mr perfect British bulldog Stone cold Rock Ruined the line, you are a real dummie we'll never know the real reason. Its probably Mattel got mad, when they received the bill for all the cloth accessories MDT was using. In the long run.....we got a Sgt Slaughter, Snuka and Terry Funk....that we probably would have NEVER gotten if they had done Camo, Bare Foot & ECW stripes attires in the first place. Sgt Slaughter is a WWE lifer. He's not going anywhere. Mattel will always have him available when they want to do the camo version. Thats the one i really only care about. Because i liked slaughter when he was WWF champ. Like i said. It was just a handful of figures that had unpopular attires. CM Punk has alot better attires they could've done in elite. Brodus Clay has a million better attires they could've done. The list goes on. |
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Post by PJ on Feb 2, 2014 1:21:33 GMT -5
This feels like the millionth time I've answered this. It wasn't any of the figures or attires. It was the amounts produced. Legends Series 1 and 2 were released at the same time as the HOF line which were nothing more than re-releases of series 1 & 2. So they need up competing with each other for sales. If you found one you didn't need the other.
Then with the Legends 2-Packs not only did we have another (less appealing) Iron Sheik to compete against the Legends and HoF figure we got a less appealing Piper to to compete against the EG Piper. But again they were way over produced. My local TRU never received more than 2(3 during the holidays) cases of any CSTT set yet with Legends 2-Packs their first shipment was 30 cases. And then a few weeks later they received another 20 cases. So that was 50 cases of the same 3 sets they had to sell. (which the eventually did)
When you compared that with Jakks that would have been more for one store to sell than all of the CSTT series line. So I still say overproduction is what killed the Legends line.
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 2, 2014 1:30:03 GMT -5
Well it depends on why you consider the line failed.
Wrong attires- Sgt, Slaughter, Jimmy Snuka, Terry Funk, Road Warriors
Didnt sell- The Rock, British Bulldog, Brian Pillman, Terry Funk (HOF Series), Dusty Rhodes (HOF Series)
Price point- (Legends 2 Packs) Piper/Orton, Bushwackers, Volkoff & Sheik
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 1:33:38 GMT -5
Well it depends on why you consider the line failed. Wrong attires- Sgt, Slaughter, Jimmy Snuka, Terry Funk, Road Warriors Didnt sell- The Rock, British Bulldog, Brian Pillman, Terry Funk (HOF Series), Dusty Rhodes (HOF Series) Price point- (Legends 2 Packs) Piper/Orton, Bushwackers, Volkoff & Sheik The Rock didn't sell?  He was one of the harder ones to find........ |
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 2, 2014 1:36:32 GMT -5
Well it depends on why you consider the line failed. Wrong attires- Sgt, Slaughter, Jimmy Snuka, Terry Funk, Road Warriors Didnt sell- The Rock, British Bulldog, Brian Pillman, Terry Funk (HOF Series), Dusty Rhodes (HOF Series) Price point- (Legends 2 Packs) Piper/Orton, Bushwackers, Volkoff & Sheik The Rock didn't sell? He was one of the harder ones to find........ The entire Legends 3 was a God awful seller. They clogged Kmarts for months and then were shipped off to Big Lots & Dollar Stores. I was finding entire sets of Legends 3 a year after the line was canceled. However that also leads to a 4th option. Distribution. |
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Post by SteveHulk on Feb 2, 2014 2:00:15 GMT -5
- overproduction
- poor attire-choices
- lack of a lot of big names (this was before they had Bret Hart, Diesel, Mankind, Yokozuna etc.)
- WWE not wanting earlier versions of current guys (like Undertaker, HBK, Edge, Triple H, Kane etc.) in the line
- starting the line too soon after Jakks "Classics", and some collectors not wanting to start again
All of the above.
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Post by Thebigdog621 on Feb 2, 2014 11:45:03 GMT -5
Akeem was a horrible choice for the legends line. The legends team line shelf warmed by me forever and I'm assuming that's pretty much what killed the legends line. I think the flashback elites are the way to go now. It makes them more of a commodity and it means we won't get a bunch of useless legends like we did with Jakks.
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Post by BCizzle on Feb 2, 2014 13:48:00 GMT -5
Jakks made several Snukas, Sarges, Terry Funks, Road Warriors - did any of those attires kill that line?
Mattel wanted to sell more figures than there was demand for them - period.
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Post by bharrisfan on Feb 2, 2014 14:32:20 GMT -5
texas torndao/kerry von erich spawned a ton of additional legends for me so thank God those von erich figures were released....same with the funk figure. no bad blood from me on those. i blame lack of hbk, taker, plus the blue slaughter and boots snuka along with apparent overproduction of series 2
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Post by jakks1996collector on Feb 2, 2014 14:35:54 GMT -5
The Legends line failed because 1 or 2 guys at Mattel thought it would be cool to use attire that no one's ever seen any of those Legends use.
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Post by MrPerfect25 on Feb 2, 2014 14:36:27 GMT -5
Legends Kamala is one of their best figures. Pillman too. What an idiot.
No camo Slaughter was their first mistake
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