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Post by kiloinnorcal on Feb 2, 2014 17:03:38 GMT -5
They started off with terrible choices to get people into the line.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Feb 2, 2014 17:48:18 GMT -5
The completely unnecessary HOF set that just added clog to the already overproduced lines of L1 & L2 did some damage. Kmart was FLOODED with them. The TRU 2-packs that had just about the most unappealing line-up you could imagine didn't help, either. They chose 3 pairs that should've been lower-packed across three different sets, not all at once. If they began with red LOD, Edge & Christian, and The Bushwackers, we may have got a 2nd set of 2-packs. WWE supposedly had some sort of silly clause where current talent couldn't be called Legends, though.
Legends began when people were still adjusting to Mattel's higher prices. $15-16 per figure was considered to be expensive. Now, we're used to it, but back then you had people who had huge Jakks CS collections who'd have to start over since Mattel's are noticeably smaller and less exaggerated. Bad timing combined with suspect attire choices and overproduction = failure. Thing is, everyone wanted Steamboat, but when his figure shipped, that thing warmed as much as anyone. They just made too many of them and they were deemed too expensive for most people. The obvious things like Snuka and Sarge have already been mentioned a bunch, but yeah, that had to do with it, too. Some were pretty successful. Randy Savage did well, Vader did well, Austin did well, Rock did well, Warrior did well, etc.
But when it came down to a lot of the mid-card 80s names, it seems like people weren't as willing to buy them as they were in CS. I think without some of the bigger iconic names they'd later sign, people waited. I also think that the further you move away from a decade, the less marketable that decade becomes. People are always going to want Austin, Hogan, etc., but eventually, releasing those older mid-level guys who no longer get a lot of press isn't going to work as well. Scott Hall might be a great seller now, but in 10 years? If he doesn't do anything in the company or get brought up as much? Probably not.
My long-winded point is that there are numerous factors that weigh-in here, some of which are apparent, some of which are more psychological. The Flashbacks have worked very well for them, and it seems like the Flashback set they did last year (E23) did pretty well, too. I'd be happy with one of those every year and a 1-2 FBs in every Elite set like they've been doing. And hey, if they can get Flair/Hogan/Sting on board, they might as well do a Legends BAF set with Mean Gene or something at TRU, because you can bank on those guys and maybe another Warrior or Savage or Bret selling extremely well.
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Post by inkboy83 on Feb 2, 2014 18:13:48 GMT -5
So many blunders wit this line....
Attires that were obscure.... Sgt. slaughter, Snuka, Road Warriors, Steamboat
Other Mattel lines took away from the Legends Market like Defining Moments and Entrance Greats..... Bret Hart, HBK, Undertaker, Piper, Jericho, M$M should have been in the Legends line.
Odd character choices... I was happy with Texas Tornado persona but there was no reason to include the Von Erich's team. Bushwackers? Shiek and Volkof when we already got a Shiek in Series 2
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Post by theaxehennig on Feb 2, 2014 18:47:54 GMT -5
I don't think it was one figure. The kids just don't want legends. Jakks had their classic line......and it worked. But there didn't seem to be a large carry-over of collectors. They were either satisfied w/ all the Jakks they had. Or stopped collecting when Mattel got the license. Kevin Von Erich Volkoff/Sheik Brian Pillman Terry Funk Sgt. Slaughter Hall of Fame line Steamboat Geez... these sat at Kmarts forever! weren't early Slaughter, Hart Foundation Pillman, Classic Funk, Von Erichs and Steamboat the kinda things Jakks collectors were asking for? Yeah! People definitely wanted all of those names. I don't think anyone anticipated what the line would look like 4 years later, with everything being so scaled back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 19:22:37 GMT -5
Pretty much bad choices all around really.
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Post by LA Times on Feb 2, 2014 19:25:16 GMT -5
For those of you saying the Von Erichs
1) The cancellation of the Legends line was announced before series 6 hit stores
2) While Kevin Von Erich did warm shelves, Texas Tornado and Kerry Von Erich were among the better sellers of that series
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Post by MachoManiac on Feb 2, 2014 19:50:28 GMT -5
we did this everyday for a year.. sorry if u missed it!!!!
its very easy to figure out, horrible distribution, terrible store- customer relations ( thats a bigger one then most of u know and includes stealing thousands upon thousands... i reported it not cause im a rat cause im a MAN )
and then the small but annoying part SGT SLAUGHTER... just didnt look like the ICONIC SGT SLAUGHTer
when yur gonna sell figures a decade or two or three later use iconic attires....especially for the non- main draws
Piper in thats 2 pack with no shirt
ROad Warriors in the nwa attire..?? really
i could go on and on and i did for months thats all we did hear so mattel def heard us maybe thats why we are not seeing THE REAL DOUBLE J JESSE JAMES and SMOKING GUN BILLY GUN!!!!!!
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Post by Halloween King on Feb 2, 2014 20:31:37 GMT -5
None of the wrestlers included were terrible choices. Their attire however is another story. This. The attires, I feel, were picked just to be different from what Jakks had released previously. Plus the market for Legends was already heavily saturated by Jakks. For me the biggest turn off from the legends line in the beginning was the proto pics. As a die hard Jakks classics fan, when I saw the proto pics for the legends I was so disappointed. The biggest issue for me with the proto pics was that the figures had visible screws in the joints. So I was left thinking that the visible screws would be in the actual finished product. Those proto pics made me not want to buy Mattel Legends. And then I saw the non legends figures and thought they looked horrible. So im just one guy, but I'm the type of guy that would buy two or three Jakk's classics figures. I went from buying multiples of the figures in the classics line to buying 0 Mattel figures just because I wasn't pleased by the appearance of the figures. Thinking about it now I feel Mattel would have made me a customer right from the beginning had they offered me something Jakks hadnt. I dont mean different attires as Mattel thought. I mean give me guys Jakk's hadn't. Start off with The Von Erichs, Macho Man, Steamboat, Magnum, guys Jakks hadnt made a figure of.
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Post by 6 seasons and a movie on Feb 2, 2014 21:05:16 GMT -5
Maybe instead of starting the lineup again, how about giving us one extra elite line a year to get a total of 7 with 4 being all current guys and 3 being all flashbacks. It would allow the current elite line to get some mid-card guys in and we would get more flashbacks then before.
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Post by PJ on Feb 2, 2014 21:12:04 GMT -5
The only attire I had any issue with was Snuka's. The Road Warriors were my favorite look of theirs. With Sarge if we weren't getting his 70's all black attire (no cammo tshirt) then I was happy with the attire we got.
It would have helped if the HOF had different attires than their regular releases. But to say the attire choices killed the line is a joke.
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 2, 2014 21:15:25 GMT -5
For those of you saying the Von Erichs 1) The cancellation of the Legends line was announced before series 6 hit stores 2) While Kevin Von Erich did warm shelves, Texas Tornado and Kerry Von Erich were among the better sellers of that series Wasnt Kevin & Kerry originally scheduled for 2 pack series two with Rockers and possibly Brain Busters?
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Post by savage on Feb 2, 2014 22:06:49 GMT -5
Kamala was a bad ass figure. It was the first from the line that I bought. It was that figure that made me realize how much better Mattel was than Jakks.
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Post by LA Times on Feb 2, 2014 22:24:28 GMT -5
For those of you saying the Von Erichs 1) The cancellation of the Legends line was announced before series 6 hit stores 2) While Kevin Von Erich did warm shelves, Texas Tornado and Kerry Von Erich were among the better sellers of that series Wasnt Kevin & Kerry originally scheduled for 2 pack series two with Rockers and possibly Brain Busters? I vaguely remember the Von Erichs originally being a TRU Exclusive Legends Tag Team, but not sure about the Rockers or Brain Busters.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 22:27:56 GMT -5
I could probably still go down to Big Lots right now and find a Legends Terry Funk sitting on the shelf.............
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Post by East Coast on Feb 2, 2014 23:14:12 GMT -5
None of the wrestlers included were terrible choices. Their attire however is another story. Thinking about it now I feel Mattel would have made me a customer right from the beginning had they offered me something Jakks hadnt. I dont mean different attires as Mattel thought. I mean give me guys Jakk's hadn't. Start off with The Von Erichs, Macho Man, Steamboat, Magnum, guys Jakks hadnt made a figure of. Then u would've bought just the first series..........and nothing else. U gotta bleed ur customers dry over the long haul. By doing a character that Jakks didn't have, every series....they were hoping to keep the Jakks collectors interest piqued. Kamala was a bad ass figure. It was the first from the line that I bought. It was that figure that made me realize how much better Mattel was than Jakks. Kamala is a one of the best legends figures imo
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Post by BCizzle on Feb 3, 2014 1:17:29 GMT -5
The only attire I had any issue with was Snuka's. The Road Warriors were my favorite look of theirs. With Sarge if we weren't getting his 70's all black attire (no cammo tshirt) then I was happy with the attire we got. It would have helped if the HOF had different attires than their regular releases. But to say the attire choices killed the line is a joke. And the sad thing is, people cling to this like it's a fact.
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Post by Halloween King on Feb 3, 2014 11:18:01 GMT -5
Thinking about it now I feel Mattel would have made me a customer right from the beginning had they offered me something Jakks hadnt. I dont mean different attires as Mattel thought. I mean give me guys Jakk's hadn't. Start off with The Von Erichs, Macho Man, Steamboat, Magnum, guys Jakks hadnt made a figure of. Then u would've bought just the first series..........and nothing else. U gotta bleed ur customers dry over the long haul. By doing a character that Jakks didn't have, every series....they were hoping to keep the Jakks collectors interest piqued. Kamala was a bad ass figure. It was the first from the line that I bought. It was that figure that made me realize how much better Mattel was than Jakks. Kamala is a one of the best legends figures imo I think that had mattel first made figures that Jakks hadn't, like Macho and Steamboat, I would have bought into the line from the beginning. For me, once I buy one I'll eventually want another and another and another. It just snowballs from 1. I also agree that Mattel's Kamala is one of their better figures. Kamala is such a nice figure, I think, that I would say the Kamala from Mattel is nicer than the Jakks Kamala. Mind you im a bigger fan of Jakks than I am of Mattel.
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Post by MADNESS_NH_97 on Feb 3, 2014 12:08:39 GMT -5
How can Brian Pillman be a "fail" ?
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Post by The Madness on Feb 3, 2014 13:04:01 GMT -5
People say strange attire choices are what made it fail, but that's not the main cause. I never saw NWA Road Warriors or polka dot Dusty warming the shelves.
The Hall of Fame line was what made it fail. The shelves were clogged with Funk, Sheik, and Snuka figures to the point that anything that came after didn't even have a chance. The glut of those three guys was what killed it.
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Post by BCizzle on Feb 3, 2014 13:30:40 GMT -5
People say strange attire choices are what made it fail, but that's not the main cause. I never saw NWA Road Warriors or polka dot Dusty warming the shelves. The Hall of Fame line was what made it fail. The shelves were clogged with Funk, Sheik, and Snuka figures to the point that anything that came after didn't even have a chance. The glut of those three guys was what killed it. But those were only at K-Mart. They definitely hurt the line, but there was too much series 2 and 3 in other stores as well. And too many 2-packs at TRU. Jakks had a ton of 2-packs and 3-packs over the years, but Mattel could make theirs only last one wave?
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