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Post by Himmy! on Nov 7, 2014 17:21:51 GMT -5
Finally got around to getting it on my PS4. I may never leave bed again...
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 7, 2014 17:49:11 GMT -5
As you ignored my request for the Canadian numbers, I assume you are just pulling facts out of your arse. You don't know that the Canadian network is successful, nor do you know that most UK fans want Sky Sports WWE. Lol. WWE haven't released any numbers for individual countries since the international rollout, so there's no sense in you crying about that -- but they have stated that the Canadian rollout exceeded expectations, which neither the US version of the network nor the total numbers since the worldwide launch so far has done. Again -- if internet crying and praise was an indicator of success or failure, then the "critically acclaimed" version of the WWE network would be successful in their major market and the company wouldn't be making severe cuts to try and make 2015 a break-even financial year to recover from the $40million losses they've had this year. Nor would they be wanting partners for their UK launch. And people asking how to do it are unable to find the answers anywhere, are they? Don't be a silly boy. Have a little google of the words how to get the WWE network in the UK or something similar, that'll tell you all you need to know. It's faster to google that than it is to send WWE an angry tweet. Anybody who chooses the latter over the former is more concerned with complaining than they are with accessing the WWE network. If you really think that there are substantial numbers of UK fans who desperately want the WWE Network as an internet service and have access to Twitter but not Google, there isn't really much help I can give you.
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Post by SteveHulk on Nov 7, 2014 18:02:36 GMT -5
As you ignored my request for the Canadian numbers, I assume you are just pulling facts out of your arse. You don't know that the Canadian network is successful, nor do you know that most UK fans want Sky Sports WWE. At least mine is based off of something i.e. the reaction from pretty much any UK wrestling fan on the Internet, which is a fairly large number. ...what about all the fans not on the internet or internet-savvy? What about all those casual viewers who don't want to faff about on/with the internet? Of course most fans on the internet will want an internet-based version... I'll be more than happy with a no-hassle TV channel though. Plus, I've only heard good things about the Canadian version... the guys on Live Audio Wrestling (Canadian based) were saying how good it is and how they prefer it to an internet service .Finally got around to getting it on my PS4. I may never leave bed again... ...and if you didn't have a PS4...? Again -- if internet crying and praise was an indicator of success or failure, then the "critically acclaimed" version of the WWE network would be successful in their major market and the company wouldn't be making severe cuts to try and make 2015 a break-even financial year to recover from the $40million losses they've had this year. Nor would they be wanting partners for their UK launch. This.
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on Nov 7, 2014 19:38:35 GMT -5
As you ignored my request for the Canadian numbers, I assume you are just pulling facts out of your arse. You don't know that the Canadian network is successful, nor do you know that most UK fans want Sky Sports WWE. Lol. WWE haven't released any numbers for individual countries since the international rollout, so there's no sense in you crying about that -- but they have stated that the Canadian rollout exceeded expectations, which neither the US version of the network nor the total numbers since the worldwide launch so far has done. Again -- if internet crying and praise was an indicator of success or failure, then the "critically acclaimed" version of the WWE network would be successful in their major market and the company wouldn't be making severe cuts to try and make 2015 a break-even financial year to recover from the $40million losses they've had this year. Nor would they be wanting partners for their UK launch. And people asking how to do it are unable to find the answers anywhere, are they? Don't be a silly boy. Have a little google of the words how to get the WWE network in the UK or something similar, that'll tell you all you need to know. It's faster to google that than it is to send WWE an angry tweet. Anybody who chooses the latter over the former is more concerned with complaining than they are with accessing the WWE network. If you really think that there are substantial numbers of UK fans who desperately want the WWE Network as an internet service and have access to Twitter but not Google, there isn't really much help I can give you. I'm not crying about it, it's called you talking bollocks and being called out on it. If you actually believe everything WWE says, then you are incredibly gullible. They said the total subscribers exceeded expectations too, does that mean the Network is a success then? I'm not saying the Network is a massive success but the fact that the fans who do have it like it and feel they are getting a good deal is much better than the Canadian version which not only do we have no evidence is a financial success, but is also a critical failure. Why do you think WWE had to continually tell people how to get the Network in the first place? Because people aren't bright. They need everything spelled out to them. Believe or not, some people will not have even thought to Google how to get it in the UK. Your point about people complaining instead of subscribing is completely unfounded. There's proof in this very thread for god's sake, that people didn't know how to get the Network in the UK until now despite in being available since February. Hell, there's still people now who don't understand that Raw and SmackDown do not air live on the Network. And I don't need to Google it cheers, had it since it first launched in February. Thanks for your concern though.
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on Nov 7, 2014 19:48:03 GMT -5
As you ignored my request for the Canadian numbers, I assume you are just pulling facts out of your arse. You don't know that the Canadian network is successful, nor do you know that most UK fans want Sky Sports WWE. At least mine is based off of something i.e. the reaction from pretty much any UK wrestling fan on the Internet, which is a fairly large number. ...what about all the fans not on the internet or internet-savvy? What about all those casual viewers who don't want to faff about on/with the internet? Of course most fans on the internet will want an internet-based version... I'll be more than happy with a no-hassle TV channel though. Plus, I've only heard good things about the Canadian version... the guys on Live Audio Wrestling (Canadian based) were saying how good it is and how they prefer it to an internet service .As of last year, 83% of homes in the UK have access to the Internet. The only "faff" would be downloading the app and logging in, not exactly complicated. At least no more than phoning your TV provider and subscribing. The Canadian version which had about 10 PPVs on demand when it first launched? That's good is it? Maybe the VOD has improved dramatically since then but I haven't heard many updates. Even if it is more simple to subscribe, you're saying that you think the majority would rather pay more money for less content than have an online service that's cheaper and better? That's mental. And completely unfounded.
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on Nov 7, 2014 19:51:09 GMT -5
And again, just to point out, nowhere has it been said that WWE WANTS partners to launch the Network with. It could just as easily be a legal issue.
I keep bringing up people on the internet's thoughts because that is where the majority of subscribers will be coming from. If you're a casual WWE fan who is not on the internet, how would you even know about the Network? Only a small portion of fans stay up until 4am to watch Raw which is the only place they'd be able to hear about the Network. The replays edit out any mentions.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 7, 2014 20:06:06 GMT -5
Lol. You're doing a pretty good job impersonating someone crying about it. You love the American version of the network, and that's fine, I'd certainly prefer it to a Sky version -- but you're being silly convincing yourself it's more successful than it is, and convincing yourself it'd be much more successful than the Sky channel for WWE. Evidently, all these comments you've seen about "the fans who do have it and feel they are getting a good deal" don't quite cohere with the reality of the rate at which people have unsubscribed, even within the supposed six-month commitment period.
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on Nov 7, 2014 20:15:31 GMT -5
Lol. You're doing a pretty good job impersonating someone crying about it. You love the American version of the network, and that's fine, I'd certainly prefer it to a Sky version -- but you're being silly convincing yourself it's more successful than it is, and convincing yourself it'd be much more successful than the Sky channel for WWE. Evidently, all these comments you've seen about "the fans who do have it and feel they are getting a good deal" don't quite cohere with the reality of the rate at which people have unsubscribed, even within the supposed six-month commitment period. lol whatever mate, you're still talking bollocks. Who are these people who have unsubscribed? Whoever they are, they are completely outnumbered by new subscribers. WWE Network subscriptions have only grown, so people unsubscribing hasn't changed anything. I clearly said before that the WWE Network isn't a huge success financially but it doesn't matter because you already have your own agenda. You have nothing to back up anything of what you're saying but you're just putting your fingers in your ears. I've got better things to do than talk with a 7-year old over things that he doesn't understand.
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Post by SteveHulk on Nov 7, 2014 20:37:13 GMT -5
...what about all the fans not on the internet or internet-savvy? What about all those casual viewers who don't want to faff about on/with the internet? Of course most fans on the internet will want an internet-based version... I'll be more than happy with a no-hassle TV channel though. Plus, I've only heard good things about the Canadian version... the guys on Live Audio Wrestling (Canadian based) were saying how good it is and how they prefer it to an internet service .As of last year, 83% of homes in the UK have access to the Internet. The only "faff" would be downloading the app and logging in, not exactly complicated. At least no more than phoning your TV provider and subscribing. I don't think you'd have to phone up to subscribe... you'd probably just have to press a few buttons on your remote-control (...similar to ordering the PPVs on Box Office). But anyway, by "not on" the internet, I meant not regular users who pay for or stream things... I mean, I'm "on" the internet but only use it for very basic things (eBay, a few forums and news). The faff for those with only an I-Pad or basic Laptop (ie. me) would be having to buy/connect a device to your TV so can watch the PPVs (nobody wants to watch Wrestlemania on a tiny screen) and the issues with losing your stream or it stop-starting etc... you may not have had a problem with it, but it was a big issue when I tried it - and I've read a lot about others having problems with it. And I don't even want it to be a concern when I'm watching the live PPVs. The common reply is to "improve your internet speed/service" or to "get an X-Box" etc., but why should I have to? I just want to switch on the TV and watch. An HD TV channel is far better than an internet stream, imo. And I never said majority... but there are plenty. A lot of WWE fans are already Sky subscribers (...it's been the only * legal* way to watch RAW and Smackdown for years) - I think you're underestimating people wanting a TV channel, based on what you have read by people on the internet. If you're a casual WWE fan who is not on the internet, how would you even know about the Network? Only a small portion of fans stay up until 4am to watch Raw which is the only place they'd be able to hear about the Network. The replays edit out any mentions. I would think the majority of fans either Sky Plus or DVR the live RAW (...that's what I do). In which case, there is no getting away from it(!). If only there was, lol.
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on Nov 7, 2014 20:44:06 GMT -5
I agree that a HD television channel would be a lot better....if it contained the same content and wasn't extortionately priced. But I just don't trust WWE and Sky to do those things.
I really think in this day and age, people will pick an Internet service that is cheaper and has more content than an expensive TV channel just for convenience. I mean just look how successful Netflix is.
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Post by hbkjason on Nov 8, 2014 3:16:04 GMT -5
At the end of the day the WWE were more than happy to stay in bed with Sky and sign (what I am assuming) was a very lucrative deal not that long ago. I am not Sky TV's biggest fan these days I feel they are getting greedier and greedier, but the WWE signed a deal with them so its understandable that they want some assurances that if the WWE do release the Network over here that it will not effect their PPV buys and viewing figures that they get on their WWE programming. What does this mean for the UK Network? I honestly have no ing clue and from the sounds of it neither do the WWE or Sky! one thing for sure is that there is no way in hell that Sky are going to let the WWE roll out the Network for lets just say £5.99 per month and have all the PPVs on their, WWE Superstars, Main Event, Specials and NXT when they are charging £15 a month for a PPV and over £20 a month for Sky Sports. Again I am not Sky TV's biggest fan, but you can understand why they would not be happy about this. There is no way in hell Sky would let fans have the Network as part of their Sky subscription and there is also no way in hell they would accept anything less than the £15 they are already getting for PPV's. The whole WWE Network in the UK is a ing mess and its really not anyone fault (well maybe Snitskys) its just one of those things that some fans are going to have to deal with. As a guy who has had the American version since launch I can honestly tell you guys that its easy to set up and use and in all its a great freaking deal. Its easy to look on Google how to set it up and I am sure more than a few of us on here would help you out. Please do not just blindly pay Sky what ever their over inflated price will be! I do not buy this "people not being internet savy" or "I have no games console" Its 2014 and its not rocket science to be able to use Google if you really want to! Also you can get a 2nd hand 360 or PS3 easily for around £50 these days if you shop around which in the long run with the cheaper US price of the Network will work out cheaper than paying £15 a month for a PPV on Sky.
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Post by Himmy! on Nov 8, 2014 5:51:57 GMT -5
As you ignored my request for the Canadian numbers, I assume you are just pulling facts out of your arse. You don't know that the Canadian network is successful, nor do you know that most UK fans want Sky Sports WWE. At least mine is based off of something i.e. the reaction from pretty much any UK wrestling fan on the Internet, which is a fairly large number. ...what about all the fans not on the internet or internet-savvy? What about all those casual viewers who don't want to faff about on/with the internet? Of course most fans on the internet will want an internet-based version... I'll be more than happy with a no-hassle TV channel though. Plus, I've only heard good things about the Canadian version... the guys on Live Audio Wrestling (Canadian based) were saying how good it is and how they prefer it to an internet service .Finally got around to getting it on my PS4. I may never leave bed again... ...and if you didn't have a PS4...? Again -- if internet crying and praise was an indicator of success or failure, then the "critically acclaimed" version of the WWE network would be successful in their major market and the company wouldn't be making severe cuts to try and make 2015 a break-even financial year to recover from the $40million losses they've had this year. Nor would they be wanting partners for their UK launch. This. Haha then I'd continue to use it on my laptop. But I know what your point is. I would get it on Sky regardless as I'm lucky enough to have Sky but there's no way I'd trust it to be as good a service as the U.S. version with OTT content. I just can't see that happening. If it does, then that would be fantastic. Anyone got any figures on how many people have Sky in the UK? Other than there being a massive shortage of content on a Sky version Id be surprised if most die hard WWE fans didnt have Sky already and would be unable to access the network.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 8, 2014 15:20:07 GMT -5
Who are these people who have unsubscribed? Whoever they are, they are completely outnumbered by new subscribers. WWE Network subscriptions have only grown, so people unsubscribing hasn't changed anything.Lol. You haven't actually seen the numbers, have you? Or the actions that WWE has undertaken in response to them? As of WrestleMania, they had 667,287 subscribers. At the end of Q2, before the first six-month commitment was even up, they had only made it to 700,000 because they had 161,000 gross new subscribers but 128,000 cancellations. At the end of Q3, after launching in 170 countries, there had been 286,000 new orders and 255,000 people who either canceled or didn’t renew. So yes, the people who have unsubscribed have made a big difference, because if they hadn't unsubscribed, WWE would be at over a million subscribers now... Like they bragged that they would be at the end of the year. Having almost 400,000 cancellations from a total of a little over a million orders doesn't exactly scream that there is any kind of unanimous "feel like they are getting a good deal." Do you think that WWE eliminating the six-month commitment and giving away Survivor Series for free were altruistic gifts from a mega-popular product, rather than desperate attempts to salvage a flop? Do you think all the cost-cutting they've done over the last six months had nothing to do with the poor performance of the network? Dearie me.
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Post by SteveHulk on Nov 8, 2014 17:33:48 GMT -5
I do not buy this "people not being internet savy" or "I have no games console" Its 2014 and its not rocket science to be able to use Google if you really want to! Also you can get a 2nd hand 360 or PS3 easily for around £50 these days if you shop around which in the long run with the cheaper US price of the Network will work out cheaper than paying £15 a month for a PPV on Sky. Fair point - but I think you'd be surprised how many aren't in-the-know about internet-streaming TV and games-consoles - I mean, I know what you're saying about it being worth it in the long run - but I shouldn't really have to go out of my way and get something I didn't/don't want just to watch The Network on the TV... it's just more hassle (compared to a TV channel). I have no idea how games-consoles work either, so would have to read up on it too. If it does turn out to be a Sky/TV channel though, then I think they have to price it around £6 (like the US version)... anything more and fans will feel ripped-off. Unless they can somehow include RAW and Smackdown on it too - (ie. one channel that shows everything WWE)... I'm not sure how they'd price that though(!).
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Post by jcsix on Nov 8, 2014 18:34:59 GMT -5
Finally got around to getting it on my PS4. I may never leave bed again... Did you just download from the USA account then log into the account? Glad to hear its working, really tempted to do it myself just for the WCW stuff.
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on Nov 8, 2014 18:43:08 GMT -5
Who are these people who have unsubscribed? Whoever they are, they are completely outnumbered by new subscribers. WWE Network subscriptions have only grown, so people unsubscribing hasn't changed anything.Do you think that WWE eliminating the six-month commitment and giving away Survivor Series for free were altruistic gifts from a mega-popular product, rather than desperate attempts to salvage a flop? Do you think all the cost-cutting they've done over the last six months had nothing to do with the poor performance of the network? Dearie me. No, and nor have I said that at any point. *shrug*
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 8, 2014 20:16:34 GMT -5
Lol. Either you think that the Survivor Series was always meant to be free this year and the six-month commitment was always going to be scrapped in November, or you accept that the network flopping -- which includes the cancellations -- has changed the original plans... Which is an admission that your "people unsubscribing hasn't changed anything" statement was silly.
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Post by Himmy! on Nov 9, 2014 3:57:51 GMT -5
Finally got around to getting it on my PS4. I may never leave bed again... Did you just download from the USA account then log into the account? Glad to hear its working, really tempted to do it myself just for the WCW stuff. I got an Unblock US account and then created a new PS4 user with a US address so I could access the US store and then downloaded the app. Logged in and it works a treat, probably better than on my laptop!
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Post by jcsix on Nov 9, 2014 4:31:16 GMT -5
Did you just download from the USA account then log into the account? Glad to hear its working, really tempted to do it myself just for the WCW stuff. I got an Unblock US account and then created a new PS4 user with a US address so I could access the US store and then downloaded the app. Logged in and it works a treat, probably better than on my laptop! Great! I already have a working US account on my PS3/PS4. Time to get the Unblock US account
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Post by Himmy! on Nov 9, 2014 4:56:59 GMT -5
I got an Unblock US account and then created a new PS4 user with a US address so I could access the US store and then downloaded the app. Logged in and it works a treat, probably better than on my laptop! Great! I already have a working US account on my PS3/PS4. Time to get the Unblock US account Nice one dude. They have a free week's trial too . If you have Netflix etc it's great for that too.
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