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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 23:46:52 GMT -5
[quote But the rest of this is speculation in itself. It just seems weird he would agree to go out by being chokeslammed by Kane. I dunno. It could be that he knew before Royal Rumble that he had met his requirements and when he got to work on Monday just had had enough. I know I have felt that way about a job, when it stops being fun. You get done what you needed and walk away.[/quote] I just have trouble sympathizing because I work a low paying Subway job that I hate. I'm sure most people don't like their jobs, but Punk made millions of dollars. I know, I know, money isn't everything, but man Punk was living the dream.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Sept 4, 2014 0:07:00 GMT -5
If this actually turns out to be true, then good for Punk. I don't know how they could stop giving him royalties if they're including him in a game that isn't due out until late October. They definitely had enough time to remove him from the game if they wanted to, but let's face it - he's an integral part of "rivalry mode" and leaving him in the game even after he quit will definitely help sell copies of WWE 2K15.
Things are definitely ugly between Punk and the WWE right now, but I still think he'll be back at some point in the distant future.
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 4, 2014 0:11:09 GMT -5
I honestly don't care what the relationship between Punk and WWE is like, and I don't particularly care who sues who. What I do care about is being able to play a CM Punk vs Sting match in 2K15. So I'm hoping that he doesn't get removed from the game between now and the end of October.
All of this is nonsense between lawyers. Regardless of bad feelings and what gets said, or doesn't get said, all of this will go away the second WWE thinks they can make money off of CM Punk again and Punk is willing to return. I didn't realize so many people on the internet have seen the details of CM Punk's contract though, so that's pretty super...
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Post by fearofdread on Sept 4, 2014 0:15:34 GMT -5
[quote But the rest of this is speculation in itself. It just seems weird he would agree to go out by being chokeslammed by Kane. I dunno. It could be that he knew before Royal Rumble that he had met his requirements and when he got to work on Monday just had had enough. I know I have felt that way about a job, when it stops being fun. You get done what you needed and walk away. I just have trouble sympathizing because I work a low paying Subway job that I hate. I'm sure most people don't like their jobs, but Punk made millions of dollars. I know, I know, money isn't everything, but man Punk was living the dream.[/quote] If you could quit your subway job and live your dream, you would, right? Now if that dream stopped being a dream and started to become a burden on par with your current job, AND you had enough money to not have to work again AND you made connections to try other avenues that interest you, would you stay?
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Sept 4, 2014 0:17:52 GMT -5
I honestly don't care what the relationship between Punk and WWE is like, and I don't particularly care who sues who. What I do care about is being able to play a CM Punk vs Sting match in 2K15. So I'm hoping that he doesn't get removed from the game between now and the end of October. All of this is nonsense between lawyers. Regardless of bad feelings and what gets said, or doesn't get said, all of this will go away the second WWE thinks they can make money off of CM Punk again and Punk is willing to return. I didn't realize so many people on the internet have seen the details of CM Punk's contract though, so that's pretty super... There's zero chance of him being removed from the game. It's not as simple as simply removing a character from the game; 2K would also have to rewrite the entire Rivalry Mode since Punk vs. Cena is the main selling point of the game. People have played early demos already that has Punk in it. It would take too long unless they push the release date back.
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 4, 2014 0:19:23 GMT -5
I honestly don't care what the relationship between Punk and WWE is like, and I don't particularly care who sues who. What I do care about is being able to play a CM Punk vs Sting match in 2K15. So I'm hoping that he doesn't get removed from the game between now and the end of October. All of this is nonsense between lawyers. Regardless of bad feelings and what gets said, or doesn't get said, all of this will go away the second WWE thinks they can make money off of CM Punk again and Punk is willing to return. I didn't realize so many people on the internet have seen the details of CM Punk's contract though, so that's pretty super... There's zero chance of him being removed from the game. It's not as simple as simply removing a character from the game; 2K would also have to rewrite the entire Rivalry Mode since Punk vs. Cena is the main selling point of the game. People have played early demos already that has Punk in it. It would take too long unless they push the release date back. I'll take that as good news then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 0:27:37 GMT -5
"Look in my eyes - what do you see? My lawyers after royalties...."
Punk just seems to love conflict for someone supposedly obsessed with privacy.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Sept 4, 2014 0:32:26 GMT -5
I honestly don't care what the relationship between Punk and WWE is like, and I don't particularly care who sues who. What I do care about is being able to play a CM Punk vs Sting match in 2K15. So I'm hoping that he doesn't get removed from the game between now and the end of October. All of this is nonsense between lawyers. Regardless of bad feelings and what gets said, or doesn't get said, all of this will go away the second WWE thinks they can make money off of CM Punk again and Punk is willing to return. I didn't realize so many people on the internet have seen the details of CM Punk's contract though, so that's pretty super... Now would probably be a little late for removal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 3:53:35 GMT -5
WWE will more than likely counter sue and win. It's his own fault he took his ball & went home...you didn't see Austin trying to sue when he did the same thing back in '02. I just wish him and his little wife would go away altogether. Austin wasn't a spoiled little brat who got handed the world (including a 400+ day title reign) and then walked out on winning a headline match on the biggest show of the year. Granted...Austin walked out because he didn't want to lose a TV match to Brock because it made no sense, I'd still put him on a higher level than Punk just because Austin's not a whiny little head who didn't deserve a damn thing he got. Come at me. I honestly don't care what the relationship between Punk and WWE is like, and I don't particularly care who sues who. What I do care about is being able to play a CM Punk vs Sting match in 2K15. So I'm hoping that he doesn't get removed from the game between now and the end of October. You're safe. The game is pretty much complete. To take him out now would mean them having to push the game back until early next year at best which would cost 2K and WWE a sh-t ton of money this holiday season. I honestly don't care what the relationship between Punk and WWE is like, and I don't particularly care who sues who. What I do care about is being able to play a CM Punk vs Sting match in 2K15. So I'm hoping that he doesn't get removed from the game between now and the end of October. All of this is nonsense between lawyers. Regardless of bad feelings and what gets said, or doesn't get said, all of this will go away the second WWE thinks they can make money off of CM Punk again and Punk is willing to return. I didn't realize so many people on the internet have seen the details of CM Punk's contract though, so that's pretty super... There's zero chance of him being removed from the game. It's not as simple as simply removing a character from the game; 2K would also have to rewrite the entire Rivalry Mode since Punk vs. Cena is the main selling point of the game. People have played early demos already that has Punk in it. It would take too long unless they push the release date back. Punk vs. Cena is NOT the main selling point of the game, nor is it the only rivalry in the rivalry mode. Shawn vs. Triple H is in there as well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 4:17:14 GMT -5
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Sept 4, 2014 4:58:29 GMT -5
It could be that he knew before Royal Rumble that he had met his requirements and when he got to work on Monday just had had enough. I know I have felt that way about a job, when it stops being fun. You get done what you needed and walk away. I just have trouble sympathizing because I work a low paying Subway job that I hate. I'm sure most people don't like their jobs, but Punk made millions of dollars. I know, I know, money isn't everything, but man Punk was living the dream. If you could quit your subway job and live your dream, you would, right? Now if that dream stopped being a dream and started to become a burden on par with your current job, AND you had enough money to not have to work again AND you made connections to try other avenues that interest you, would you stay?[/quote] I've never seen this said better. Kudos to you sir!
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Post by 0,Y on Sept 4, 2014 5:09:02 GMT -5
The more I hear about this whole CM Punk fiasco the more I want to kick somebody in the balls. Can't we just ignore this topic?
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Sept 4, 2014 5:52:57 GMT -5
Why don't we ask all the attorneys on WFigs what they think...
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Post by Robert69 on Sept 4, 2014 5:59:33 GMT -5
He owns the name CM Punk. That's all well and good, but if the arrangement was made, prior to him leaving the company, and in that contract, that WWE had the rights to use said name for promotional purposes/all forms of entertainment, etc -- he's going to lose the case.
Basically when they made the contract (he walked out on) -- they said "this, this and this are included." Which would have been video game rights, obviously. The rights for those video games are set up long before work even starts on them. So even though the game is actually coming out AFTER he was done with the company, they're still legally in the clear, because his contract was set up from the initial point of creation. As soon as WWE2k15 went into Production, that portion of his contract was fulfilled. When it's RELEASED is of no consequence. Work started on it, while he was still an employee of the WWE.
Unless he was contracted to get a piece of the profits from video game sales, which is doubtful.
And I've still seen nothing proving that his # of dates were up prior to July. The dude left before MANIA. You're talking 4+ months. There's absolutely 0 chance that WWE booking/legal let those numbers slide that badly. They didn't get to January and say "Oh sh*t, Punk is contracted for 271 days. We're on 253!" "Wait, isn't he not done until July?" "...Oh yeah." -- SOMEONE would have caught that. It's CM Punk, they would have pulled him from the shows, and given him basically a part-timer scheduled to at LEAST get him through Mania. At the very least.
The dude walked. Plain and simple. Pride; Arrogance; A**hole. Whatever you wanna call it. I don't see any way which this works in his favor.
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Post by 500DaysofNight on Sept 4, 2014 6:18:24 GMT -5
The whole "number of dates" argument has absolutely NOTHING to do with the situation now or the situation that made him leave. Why was it even brought up in the first place? It was never ever mentioned at all in any reports by any person. He left without fulfilling his contract, it's that simple, and now he's blaming THEM for not paying him.
This whole mess is the equivalent of someone running into your car and then suing YOU.
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Post by RV F'N D on Sept 4, 2014 8:20:12 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see how this plays out. If he had worked out his contract he'd probably have a leg to stand on, but he didn't so he'll probably forfeit what he had coming. I've always been a fan and I respect his decision to walk away but this just comes off as a bad move to me.
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Post by k5 on Sept 4, 2014 8:32:31 GMT -5
he must really not care about how wwe presents his legacy.
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Post by fearofdread on Sept 4, 2014 9:02:23 GMT -5
And I've still seen nothing proving that his # of dates were up prior to July. The dude left before MANIA. You're talking 4+ months. There's absolutely 0 chance that WWE booking/legal let those numbers slide that badly. They didn't get to January and say "Oh sh*t, Punk is contracted for 271 days. We're on 253!" "Wait, isn't he not done until July?" "...Oh yeah." -- SOMEONE would have caught that. It's CM Punk, they would have pulled him from the shows, and given him basically a part-timer scheduled to at LEAST get him through Mania. At the very least. History shows that the every part of WWE doesn't always know ins and outs of the contracts and/or daily schedules of the performers. Jeff Jarrett, Lex Luger and Rick Rude all surprised the company by leaving the day their contract was up (or after it was done). WWE talent relations probably doesn't keep charts on hand for all the dates that have been worked by every superstar, so it is very possible that they just missed it.
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Post by fearofdread on Sept 4, 2014 9:14:01 GMT -5
The whole "number of dates" argument has absolutely NOTHING to do with the situation now or the situation that made him leave. Why was it even brought up in the first place? It was never ever mentioned at all in any reports by any person. He left without fulfilling his contract, it's that simple, and now he's blaming THEM for not paying him. This whole mess is the equivalent of someone running into your car and then suing YOU. You speculate. He was never sued for breech of contract. If, as an independent contractor, you walk away without fulfilling your contract, you can be sued (and usually are). Every contract ever discussed by any superstar mentions minimum dates worked over the specified contract length. Every one. Austin, Foley, Hart, Micheals, Jericho, RVD all talk openly about it. Why would CM Punk not be in a similar contract? And why would anyone sign a contract without guarantees or protections from the employer (what an IC is vs and employee) without specified totals of dates worked? If he didn't get a base number WWE could book him for every show and every appearance they can every year. As an IC you have no protections from your employer mandating 7 day work weeks, holidays, excessive hours, no medical leave. We both speculate on the dates issue, but historically and legally it seems pretty strong that Punk fulfilled his contract minimums by January and forfeited any extra money due. But the use of his likeness and name in a new product does mandate pay for the use of the likeness beyond the expiration of an agreements (if the product is released after the contracts end). In this case, if CM Punk is not paid for his likeness, it could create a precedent for other stars who were under contract at some point and had their likeness used for a video game to be added and featured in future work (they already built the models for, say Mick Foley, for WWE 2k13. What is to stop them from using his likeness again? They paid him for it originally, why should they pay again for a new product?
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Post by ricflair4ever on Sept 4, 2014 9:20:34 GMT -5
I can see this lawsuit playing out like any number of matches over the course of a couple weeks of Raw. Punk wins the royalties lawsuit then WWE countersues and wins a breach of contract lawsuit. Ultimately its a wash and we get bored watching them trade meaningless victories with each other.
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