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Post by Lewscher on Sept 4, 2014 9:57:25 GMT -5
If hes not under ANY contract to wwe now, be it working dates or merch, and he wants no part in the wrestling world now, its 100% understandable to me why he's upset he is in 2k15 AND not getting paid for it. He seems within hes rights for this if he doesn't want to be in the game, its his human right at the very least. However I want 2k15 and prey he is in it, ive skipped , 10, 11, 12, 14 for a reason, got 13 for the attitude era mode, and want 15 for an up to date roster since ive started following the wwe again lately. Punks always been a fave of mine.
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Post by Next Man’s Gamechanger on Sept 4, 2014 10:44:42 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see how this plays out. If he had worked out his contract he'd probably have a leg to stand on If he had worked out his contract, he wouldn't have breached it and they'd still have been paying him, so he wouldn't have had his lawyers send this letter.
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Post by RV F'N D on Sept 4, 2014 10:50:39 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see how this plays out. If he had worked out his contract he'd probably have a leg to stand on If he had worked out his contract, he wouldn't have breached it and they'd still have been paying him, so he wouldn't have had his lawyers send this letter. Yes, exactly my point. Perhaps I didn't fully articulate it there as well as I should have but, of course, there would be no issues with royalties due like there may be now. Him leaving early is probably going to cost him much more than he thought.
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Post by Next Man’s Gamechanger on Sept 4, 2014 10:57:52 GMT -5
If he had worked out his contract, he wouldn't have breached it and they'd still have been paying him, so he wouldn't have had his lawyers send this letter. Yes, exactly my point. Perhaps I didn't fully articulate it there as well as I should have but, of course, there would be no issues with royalties due like there may be now. Him leaving early is probably going to cost him much more than he thought. That was always what Austin kept saying when Punk walked out, that he should go back because he's costing himself a lot of money. I'm pretty sure WWE's contract terms are always pretty one-sided, so in cases like this, the contract gives the company a lot of protection and the wrestler little to none. There's probably a clause in there that amounts to Punk breaching the contract negates his right to royalties but doesn't force the company to remove him from merchandise already in production, like the game. The danger for WWE is if the case results in courts deciding how fair their talent contracts are in the first place, so there's always a chance that they settle this stuff out of court and Punk might get a payday out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 11:26:40 GMT -5
Now this is an interesting one for sure. Mostly since it pertains to WWE.....which most Punk topics fail to lately.
Since I don't know the facts about this situation I will decline commentating either way. If this is true though? I wouldn't like to be AJ.
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Post by Midnight on Sept 4, 2014 11:28:35 GMT -5
I wish Punk wasn't in 2K15, he's such a damn crybaby. He used to be one of my favorites but he really seems like a stuck up cry baby....disappointing.
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Post by Dan on Sept 4, 2014 11:36:36 GMT -5
Very immature on Punk's part. Really damages any chance of that Lesnar type contract he may want to come back for years down the line.
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Post by Sky'sTheLimit on Sept 4, 2014 11:48:47 GMT -5
Wow, didn't expect this at all.
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Sept 4, 2014 11:50:08 GMT -5
It should be noted he is not SUING WWE, at least at this time. I do not see this going to court, an agreement will be reached. Apparently the attorney argument is he did not breach any contract because he retired, rather than work elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 14:18:56 GMT -5
Brie Bella convinced him to do it. But Nikki never told anyone.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 4, 2014 14:21:05 GMT -5
It should be noted he is not SUING WWE, at least at this time. I do not see this going to court, an agreement will be reached. Apparently the attorney argument is he did not breach any contract because he retired, rather than work elsewhere. I wonder if that's legit. Like, retiring not being considered a breach of contract.
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Post by Robert69 on Sept 4, 2014 15:11:57 GMT -5
And I've still seen nothing proving that his # of dates were up prior to July. The dude left before MANIA. You're talking 4+ months. There's absolutely 0 chance that WWE booking/legal let those numbers slide that badly. They didn't get to January and say "Oh sh*t, Punk is contracted for 271 days. We're on 253!" "Wait, isn't he not done until July?" "...Oh yeah." -- SOMEONE would have caught that. It's CM Punk, they would have pulled him from the shows, and given him basically a part-timer scheduled to at LEAST get him through Mania. At the very least. History shows that the every part of WWE doesn't always know ins and outs of the contracts and/or daily schedules of the performers. Jeff Jarrett, Lex Luger and Rick Rude all surprised the company by leaving the day their contract was up (or after it was done). WWE talent relations probably doesn't keep charts on hand for all the dates that have been worked by every superstar, so it is very possible that they just missed it. History also didn't involve computers for quick # crunching. When he gets paid per date, and they cut the check, that would be an incredibly easy way to keep track of appearances, now. I get what you're saying, but I simply don't agree, and here's why: Even IF what you said is 100% accurate, that it was easy enough for them all to miss it, and let's say they did -- by THAT many dates? Not every part of the company may keep track, can't dispute that, but I have trouble believing that they were shocked when CM Punk, one of the top 3 guys in the company, had fulfilled his dates almost half a year early. This wasn't a "Next night he shows up on Nitro" deal. The dude just walked out. As someone mentioned earlier, I can see him bolting, and WWE doesn't sue because his merch sales are more than covering the money they'd make, and the relationship isn't soured in the possibility of him coming back. Well -- Punk took care of that now, didn't he? If they missed his dates by that much, and he walked simply because his contract WAS *technically* up, and WWE was short changed that much, then they need to fire whoever may be keeping track. Or if they don't have someone doing that job, hire some OCD accountant type to do so.
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Post by Self-Savior on Sept 4, 2014 15:23:13 GMT -5
All I know is that since Zack Ryder probably isn't gonna be in 2K15, I need a new job guy and I've found one in CM Punk.
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Sept 4, 2014 16:41:09 GMT -5
It should be noted he is not SUING WWE, at least at this time. I do not see this going to court, an agreement will be reached. Apparently the attorney argument is he did not breach any contract because he retired, rather than work elsewhere. I wonder if that's legit. Like, retiring not being considered a breach of contract. Whether it is or not, that's his argument. Still, I don't think this will be as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Who knows, maybe it gets both sides talking. Do you think Punk would risk his wife's place by suing her employer? Everyone may have their opinion of him, but I highly doubt he is THAT bad.
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Post by Joey Cush on Sept 4, 2014 16:58:43 GMT -5
So I suppose Punk is willing to ruin his and AJ's legacy/future in the WWE?
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Post by cripplercrossface on Sept 4, 2014 17:23:24 GMT -5
Punk burning bridges...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 19:42:08 GMT -5
and some wwe fans chant "WE WANT PUNK"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 20:07:20 GMT -5
For a whole I've wanted him back, but after this week I've soured on him a bit. I'll probably use him to feud with Bryan, Cesaro, Ambrose, Wyatt, Ziggler, & Rollins still but I don't know how many of those feuds he's gonna win.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 22:20:45 GMT -5
According to his DVD he "blows them up while he's still on them" Interpretation: he's an idiot
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 4, 2014 22:35:33 GMT -5
No I am not claiming they sued Punk. If they had sued Punk, it would have been headlines on every dirt sheet site. I havent personally looked, but I trust that every dirtsheet on the net would be reporting if they had. Exactly my point, and perhaps I misunderstood your initial post. If the WWE had believed that CM Punk was violating even a part of their contract and that they could make money off of it, you must think that they would have pushed hard to get him back to work for the last 7 months. My point is since we don't know the specific contract and WWE has not already filed suit about it, it is more than likely that the spirit of the contract, if not the letter of the contract, was fulfilled by Punk prior to Royal Rumble 2014. If WWE failed to pay due royalties during the contract and continuing afterwards, that is what is up for debate now. I believe, knowing just a smidgeon about the law, is that because Punk owns the trademark on his name and likeness, if WWE and it's contractors fail to pay for use of said likeness and names beyond the expiration of the contract connecting Punk to WWE but before the release of the game, WWE might be in breach of trademark and they probably know it. Obviously this is not fact, but I think its widely known that Punk violated his contract. Sources close to him spoke briefly concerning it. WWE not suing Punk for breaching his contract isnt something uncommon. This happens fairly frequently, especially if its a situation where WWE is hoping for a reconciliation in the future. I 110% believe Punk's contract was not up and Punk walked out on the company that made him. I think you are being foolish to believe otherwise, but so be it. WWE is protected by HIGH PRICED attorneys, especially trademark and copyright attorneys. I do believe Punk owns his name. HOWEVER, royalties being due is something that is built into your WWE deal. Also, his video game, some of his action figures, etc. were all produced while Punk WAS under contract. And I believe that is how they are able to LEGALLY use them. As far as compensation to Punk, he forfeited his compensation when he violated his contract. I Can assure that you will not see new Punk shirts, figures, etc. in 2015 unless he resigns with the company. They may be something that still trickles out of this year....but next year, all of it would instantly become a trademark violation minus any footage that WWE currently owns.
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