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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 19:09:07 GMT -5
What happen to the other 10 page thread about this? It disappears from the WWE section. Had a guy trolling Punk fans non-stop. No big deal. |
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Dec 7, 2014 21:33:37 GMT -5
He bitched about Ryback kicking him too hard in his ribs. Yet he'll be fighting guys deliberately trying to break bones and hurt him and knock him out. You do the math. Not really comparable. In wrestling you're supposed to protect your opponent, so somebody trying to hurt you (if what he said is true), is extremely disrespectful and unacceptable. In UFC, you're obviously not trying to seriously injure your opponent (in most cases), but you know what you're getting into. Not to mention that in pro wrestling, you are intentionally not defending yourself because you trust your opponent. So if someone kicks you in the ribs deliberately, it's basically a suckerpunch (or kick, as it were) against someone who isn't anticipating the need to defend oneself. If you get into the Octagon and your opponent breaks your ribs with a kick, whole different ballgame. Maybe you can defend it, maybe you can't, but at least you know not to leave yourself wide open. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 22:02:03 GMT -5
Not really comparable. In wrestling you're supposed to protect your opponent, so somebody trying to hurt you (if what he said is true), is extremely disrespectful and unacceptable. In UFC, you're obviously not trying to seriously injure your opponent (in most cases), but you know what you're getting into. Not to mention that in pro wrestling, you are intentionally not defending yourself because you trust your opponent. So if someone kicks you in the ribs deliberately, it's basically a suckerpunch (or kick, as it were) against someone who isn't anticipating the need to defend oneself. If you get into the Octagon and your opponent breaks your ribs with a kick, whole different ballgame. Maybe you can defend it, maybe you can't, but at least you know not to leave yourself wide open. It's not that to me as it is so much about every other wrestler ever that has been hit hard, or kicked, or wrestled with broken bones yet you hardly ever hear much about it because they don't bitch and moan. They understand it is apart of the job and stuff happens. They don't go on podcasts bashing everyone and say its not about money yet make everything be about money. I just think he is a huge hypocrite who whines and cries about everything that doesn't go his way and I 100% legitimately want to see real fighters beat the ever living piss out of him. But this is all just my viewpoint. I'm not asking anyone to agree and I know people won't agree whether it be because they're fans of him or whatever reason, but at the end of the day it's my view. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 22:33:14 GMT -5
I just want him to fight the Power Ranger.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 8, 2014 2:49:44 GMT -5
Not to mention that in pro wrestling, you are intentionally not defending yourself because you trust your opponent. So if someone kicks you in the ribs deliberately, it's basically a suckerpunch (or kick, as it were) against someone who isn't anticipating the need to defend oneself. If you get into the Octagon and your opponent breaks your ribs with a kick, whole different ballgame. Maybe you can defend it, maybe you can't, but at least you know not to leave yourself wide open. It's not that to me as it is so much about every other wrestler ever that has been hit hard, or kicked, or wrestled with broken bones yet you hardly ever hear much about it because they don't bitch and moan. They understand it is apart of the job and stuff happens. They don't go on podcasts bashing everyone and say its not about money yet make everything be about money. I just think he is a huge hypocrite who whines and cries about everything that doesn't go his way and I 100% legitimately want to see real fighters beat the ever living piss out of him. But this is all just my viewpoint. I'm not asking anyone to agree and I know people won't agree whether it be because they're fans of him or whatever reason, but at the end of the day it's my view. Like what your doing right now? I'm sure he won't mind walking to the bank to take the money you and a whole lot of people spend to see him get his ass kicked. He really wins either way. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 6:12:09 GMT -5
It's not that to me as it is so much about every other wrestler ever that has been hit hard, or kicked, or wrestled with broken bones yet you hardly ever hear much about it because they don't bitch and moan. They understand it is apart of the job and stuff happens. They don't go on podcasts bashing everyone and say its not about money yet make everything be about money. I just think he is a huge hypocrite who whines and cries about everything that doesn't go his way and I 100% legitimately want to see real fighters beat the ever living piss out of him. But this is all just my viewpoint. I'm not asking anyone to agree and I know people won't agree whether it be because they're fans of him or whatever reason, but at the end of the day it's my view. Like what your doing right now? I'm sure he won't mind walking to the bank to take the money you and a whole lot of people spend to see him get his ass kicked. He really wins either way. I understand that. And I'm okay with it. Its a smart move by him. I will get his first fight to see him get beat. Money aside, its something I want to see |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 11:21:09 GMT -5
Like what your doing right now? I'm sure he won't mind walking to the bank to take the money you and a whole lot of people spend to see him get his ass kicked. He really wins either way. I understand that. And I'm okay with it. Its a smart move by him. I will get his first fight to see him get beat. Money aside, its something I want to see And if he wins? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 11:58:27 GMT -5
I understand that. And I'm okay with it. Its a smart move by him. I will get his first fight to see him get beat. Money aside, its something I want to see And if he wins? Then he'll win, I guess. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 12:03:50 GMT -5
I only ask cause his first fight, if Dana holds true, will be against someone without a ton of experience. While I don't expect a win, it's certainly possible. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 12:11:02 GMT -5
I only ask cause his first fight, if Dana holds true, will be against someone without a ton of experience. While I don't expect a win, it's certainly possible. I really don't think he'll win either. But I'll tune in to see. If he does win then he'll earn a little bit of respect back from me. But I fully expect him to get busted in the mouth and get his ass kicked. |
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Dec 8, 2014 17:32:53 GMT -5
I would throw him in TUF. It will raise ratings for it. If they throw him on a PPV that would be unfair to other fighters. It would be lame to have a 0-0 fighter on PPV unless they open it up to the other guys getting a percentage of the ppv buys or put him on a fox card.
Funny thing is he complained about WWE not letting him put sponsors on his trunks. Now UFC wont. Haha.
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Post by jdfranchise on Dec 8, 2014 18:31:38 GMT -5
I only ask cause his first fight, if Dana holds true, will be against someone without a ton of experience. While I don't expect a win, it's certainly possible. I really don't think he'll win either. But I'll tune in to see. If he does win then he'll earn a little bit of respect back from me. But I fully expect him to get busted in the mouth and get his ass kicked. I dont want to turn this into a bashing post, but why so confident that he's gonna get hit in the mouth and either get finished or Kalib Starnes it and run the whole fight? I don't expect Punk to come in and be Anthony Pettis in the striking game. That being said, being 90 minutes away from Duke Roufus, and the chances of him training there due to convenience will help him develop some fundamentals. But I fully expect Punk to fight smart and use his grappling base at least in his first couple fights to give him the best chance at winning. The people that are bashing Punk and saying he's going to get slaughtered are not looking at this objectively. He's not coming in claiming to be a world beater. Not one time in all of his interviews did he boast that he's going to beat Chris Weidmann or Silva, but that he wants to test himself and find out what he has. And whether or not Punk wants this stigma, in a way he is professional wrestling's representation in MMA, much like Brock, Lashley, and Ken Shamrock before him, so the pressure is on him to produce and I think he understands this. I think regardless of what the consensus is on Punk leaving and whether he was working hurt or not holds any weight is irrelevant. We've all watched Tough Enough and how some of these people cried and whined when they were learning how to take a bump, let alone anything from the top rope. Accidents happen in the ring and guys get hurt. Or like Cobra Kai pointed out, when you entrust your safety to your opponent and they take liberties with that is different than knowing another man is aiming to hurt you. Two completely different things and should not be used as an indicator of his toughness or ability. For any athlete to continue to work through an injury and compete shows they have some form of heart. And it just annoys me that can't see past the hate long enough to wish him well and support him as he embarks on this journey. So he doesn't want to wrestle anymore, big deal. But to write him off when he has two fists and the desire is ignorant. |
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Dec 9, 2014 8:17:52 GMT -5
I will say this: he might want to work on his speed. There are times in his WWE matches where he's clearly trying to move fast -- while throwing a worked kick or punch -- and he just looks slow. A UFC-level fighter ought to be able to defend anything moving at that speed.
But I legitimately hope he does well.
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Post by sean™ on Dec 9, 2014 12:44:52 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more with the idea of him being a part of an upcoming season of TUF. Seems like the most fair vehicle to showcase an "attraction" as well as not putting him on a big stage without actually earning it.
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Post by jdfranchise on Dec 9, 2014 13:34:37 GMT -5
I will say this: he might want to work on his speed. There are times in his WWE matches where he's clearly trying to move fast -- while throwing a worked kick or punch -- and he just looks slow. A UFC-level fighter ought to be able to defend anything moving at that speed. But I legitimately hope he does well. Most definitely on his his speed, especially his ability to close distance and change levels. His reaction timing and reaction speed will come with the more time he spends on the mat. That's something that Duke Roufus can help him develop as well as good technique. I know in this thread that's the second time I've mentioned Roufus, but so far that's the only camp he's mentioned besides Rener Gracie. Plus from the stand point of what he needs and not necessarily what he wants, Roufus has that with high quality strikers (Pettis) and high level wrestling (Askren). Now given that Ben Askren has been very outspoken about Punk's signing (which I personally think is more of a beef with Dana and not Punk) it could make things awkward starting out. I do however think that Roufus has the inside track of being a quality gym close to home and from a business standpoint, it's a high profile guy that he would be training, which is a good thing, especially after Rose Namajunas gave them bad press talking about the training conditions. The search for a camp is going to be interesting and a hot topic of discussion, as Punk has now become LeBron James in that respect of picking a team. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 18:40:47 GMT -5
Rumor has it, Cathal Pendred could be Punk's first opponent. 2-0 in the UFC with a fight next month. Decent all around guy, should be interesting if true.
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Post by James Hetfield on Dec 15, 2014 10:46:55 GMT -5
i laughed at a lot of the replies here. I think its  ing hilarious how they're letting an amateur fight with the pros before having ANY fights. I think he's gonna get ed up. |
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Post by Bartman on Dec 15, 2014 23:37:49 GMT -5
I'm interested in seeing who they put him in there with. It‘s insane they're letting him fight. Also interested in seeing how much they're paying him.
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Post by SteveHulk on Dec 24, 2014 6:17:10 GMT -5
i laughed at a lot of the replies here. I think its ing hilarious how they're letting an amateur fight with the pros before having ANY fights. I think he's gonna get ed up. ...he's not going in there with seasoned pros or contenders though - he'll be fighting someone with similar experience to him, or at the most someone who's only had a couple of fights. So Punk winning isn't totally out of the question... I guess we'll just have to wait and see. |
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Dec 26, 2014 9:27:10 GMT -5
i laughed at a lot of the replies here. I think its ing hilarious how they're letting an amateur fight with the pros before having ANY fights. I think he's gonna get ed up. ...he's not going in there with seasoned pros or contenders though - he'll be fighting someone with similar experience to him, or at the most someone who's only had a couple of fights. So Punk winning isn't totally out of the question... I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Its almost like people forget that Punk has at least some legit training with the gracies. Add in the fact that he'll be joining a team and dedicating himself to the sport and people need to realize that hes taking this seriously. Comparing anyhing WWE related to Punk.in the UFC is just assine. |
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