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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 7:30:21 GMT -5
Half the people here hating on him now would start supporting him if his push suddenly stopped for some reason.
I'd take Reigns over Rollins any day. Not necessarily because Reigns is a better worker (because he isn't), but because there are half a dozen other Rollinses on the roster. Reigns is unique.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Jan 8, 2015 8:01:04 GMT -5
Where are the half dozen other Rollins?? There's just Ziggler on the same level to me. How is Reigns unique??? He does a drop kick on the apron, what else? Reigns has really great potential, but he hasn't figured out almost anything besides "I'm Samoan and strong, and Vince likes me." I don't hate him at all, but they're making a joke out of him to me. Someone like HBK had 92-96 to get where he needed to be a legit champion, before that it would have been a joke. Same with HHH, he needed years to figure out his equation and he did it. They're going to make another Mr Ass of him if they're not careful. Billy Gunn had potential too and that didn't go so well. Who is Reigns? He's an intense man with swat gear as far as I can tell, and we all know he found that gear in the abandoned gimmick bin, and tore out the Bull Buchanan name tag.
So I actually already support Reigns, but I don't think the company is supporting him properly, big surprise! Why is everyone acting like he's getting reactions like the Road Warriors or Goldberg? He isn't but maybe he could if they play their cards better. I don't see anyone hating really, I see people worried they're messing this up when they can't really afford to right now, and we're having fun making jokes about it in the meantime. The Lost X-Man and the 3rd Hardy Boy isn't exactly hate.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 8, 2015 10:23:50 GMT -5
Half the people here hating on him now would start supporting him if his push suddenly stopped for some reason. I'd take Reigns over Rollins any day. Not necessarily because Reigns is a better worker (because he isn't), but because there are half a dozen other Rollinses on the roster. Reigns is unique. I disagree on this. I wouldn't be upset if Roman's push stopped, because I'm not a fickle fan who switches back and forth. There aren't dozens of Seth Rollins on the roster. Also, Roman Reigns isn't that unique. We've seen tough guy Samoan before and the fact that he is relying on his old Shield popularity hurts. Having the theme, the entrance and the "Believe That" hasn't allowed him to develop his own personality. Meanwhile, Seth and Dean have definitely done that. Lastly, if we're talking "unique" then there is no more unique member of the Shield than Dean Ambrose, who, along with Bray Wyatt, is the most unique guy on the entire roster. There is no one else like him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 10:36:26 GMT -5
I love how angry Roman makes people on here, its hilarious. Isn't it though? Pathetic might be a more appropriate word than hilarious though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 11:04:24 GMT -5
Half the people here hating on him now would start supporting him if his push suddenly stopped for some reason. I'd take Reigns over Rollins any day. Not necessarily because Reigns is a better worker (because he isn't), but because there are half a dozen other Rollinses on the roster. Reigns is unique. I disagree on this. I wouldn't be upset if Roman's push stopped, because I'm not a fickle fan who switches back and forth. There aren't dozens of Seth Rollins on the roster. Also, Roman Reigns isn't that unique. We've seen tough guy Samoan before and the fact that he is relying on his old Shield popularity hurts. Having the theme, the entrance and the "Believe That" hasn't allowed him to develop his own personality. Meanwhile, Seth and Dean have definitely done that. Lastly, if we're talking "unique" then there is no more unique member of the Shield than Dean Ambrose, who, along with Bray Wyatt, is the most unique guy on the entire roster. There is no one else like him. I didn't say dozens, I said half a dozen. Rollins is along the lines of a Ziggler, a Bryan or a Kofi, even if you look at NXT you have guys like Zayn and Neville who are very much cut from the same cloth as Seth. Not to downplay how talented Seth is here, because he is no question, and he absolutely deserves the push he's received. But you see far fewer guys like Reigns than you do like Seth. I didn't have anyone specific in mind when I was posting, but I stand by my comment that a lot of people would start supporting Roman if his push stopped. Just look at Ryback.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Jan 8, 2015 11:08:42 GMT -5
His promos are terrible but I'm still a fan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 11:24:05 GMT -5
His delivery on promos is terrible, but the scripts they give him sure aren't helping. I would've liked to see him get a slow build too to improve in ring. He's not bad, but I don't know if he can deliver in big spots like Cena.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 11:53:56 GMT -5
I wish they would do an experiment and let him cut a 2-3 minute promo from the heart which is unscripted.
I think the issue with a lot of these guys is having to deliver these scripted lines for promos.
These guys aren't actors. Period. Although, Vince McMahon wants them to be more than anything.
Let them speak from the heart and say what is real. No acting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 11:58:22 GMT -5
Despite a couple dirtsheets reporting he's penciled in to win the Rumble, I don't see it happening. I like Roman Reigns and he has great potential, look and ability. However, I don't think Cena nor any of the other current top guys, will immediately be retiring from their top position for Reigns to be top honcho. If he does win the rumble and goes to win the championship at Mania so be it, but there's no concrete evidence to prove he'll be pushed to the moon, so there shouldn't be any reason to freak out.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 8, 2015 13:01:00 GMT -5
His delivery on promos is terrible, but the scripts they give him sure aren't helping. His delivery on the one this week seemed about as good as could be expected, given the state of the material. On the whole, though, for TV they should have him doing really short promos and really short matches -- the one where Big Show interrupted him before he spoke, then he hit one line and a Superman punch was his best work since the return. Let him practice longer promos and longer matches on house shows. The scripts aren't really an excuse for him, though. Roman Reigns is being groomed as a top guy, he's got enough clout to tell them "make this better" instead of just going with the flow and hurting his character. It's understandable that Fandango goes out and does what he's told. But Reigns, Cena, Rollins, Ambrose, Wyatt, Orton, Bryan etc are the guys who are safe enough to take their own risks and make their voices heard so if they're doing bad material, it's at least partly on them. Reigns is better now than Cena was in 2004/2005. Cena didn't became great until after he won the title and had to raise his game. There's probably more chance of Reigns doing that than becoming great spending another year or two working underneath. He's never going to be able to play the workrate-heavy underdog card to claw out of the midcard, so hanging around might hurt him. Rushing him might too, but when you're doing the bad-ass gimmick, twelve months of lazy parity booking can be killer. Twelve months more experience, but also twelve months less mystique.
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Post by hbkowns on Jan 8, 2015 13:05:03 GMT -5
The thing is, I want to like Reigns, but they haven't given us a reason to care about him. His promos (which are clear as day scripted) aren't helping. He REALLY needs to touch up on his in-ring skills and his overall character before they give him the ball. Anybody who doesn't think he's not scheduled or was not scheduled to win the Rumble are complete fools. His face is everywhere right now on the product and he's clearly the guy they want. Even Vince freakin' said it on the Austin podcast.
Let the guy organically build for the next year to even see if he even has anything.
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Post by hbkowns on Jan 8, 2015 13:08:09 GMT -5
His delivery on promos is terrible, but the scripts they give him sure aren't helping. His delivery on the one this week seemed about as good as could be expected, given the state of the material. On the whole, though, for TV they should have him doing really short promos and really short matches -- the one where Big Show interrupted him before he spoke, then he hit one line and a Superman punch was his best work since the return. Let him practice longer promos and longer matches on house shows. The scripts aren't really an excuse for him, though. Roman Reigns is being groomed as a top guy, he's got enough clout to tell them "make this better" instead of just going with the flow and hurting his character. It's understandable that Fandango goes out and does what he's told. But Reigns, Cena, Rollins, Ambrose, Wyatt, Orton, Bryan etc are the guys who are safe enough to take their own risks and make their voices heard so if they're doing bad material, it's at least partly on them. Reigns is better now than Cena was in 2004/2005. Cena didn't became great until after he won the title and had to raise his game. There's probably more chance of Reigns doing that than becoming great spending another year or two working underneath. He's never going to be able to play the workrate-heavy underdog card to claw out of the midcard, so hanging around might hurt him. Rushing him might too, but when you're doing the bad-ass gimmick, twelve months of lazy parity booking can be killer. Twelve months more experience, but also twelve months less mystique. Reigns is not better right now than Cena was back in 04/05. Cena put on quality matches with Booker T, Kurt Angle, and Jericho. Reigns has not delivered ONE quality match since going solo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 13:19:16 GMT -5
His delivery on the one this week seemed about as good as could be expected, given the state of the material. On the whole, though, for TV they should have him doing really short promos and really short matches -- the one where Big Show interrupted him before he spoke, then he hit one line and a Superman punch was his best work since the return. Let him practice longer promos and longer matches on house shows. The scripts aren't really an excuse for him, though. Roman Reigns is being groomed as a top guy, he's got enough clout to tell them "make this better" instead of just going with the flow and hurting his character. It's understandable that Fandango goes out and does what he's told. But Reigns, Cena, Rollins, Ambrose, Wyatt, Orton, Bryan etc are the guys who are safe enough to take their own risks and make their voices heard so if they're doing bad material, it's at least partly on them. Reigns is better now than Cena was in 2004/2005. Cena didn't became great until after he won the title and had to raise his game. There's probably more chance of Reigns doing that than becoming great spending another year or two working underneath. He's never going to be able to play the workrate-heavy underdog card to claw out of the midcard, so hanging around might hurt him. Rushing him might too, but when you're doing the bad-ass gimmick, twelve months of lazy parity booking can be killer. Twelve months more experience, but also twelve months less mystique. Reigns is not better right now than Cena was back in 04/05. Cena put on quality matches with Booker T, Kurt Angle, and Jericho. Reigns has not delivered ONE quality match since going solo. Vs Orton.
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Post by hbkowns on Jan 8, 2015 13:21:49 GMT -5
Reigns is not better right now than Cena was back in 04/05. Cena put on quality matches with Booker T, Kurt Angle, and Jericho. Reigns has not delivered ONE quality match since going solo. Vs Orton. We all have opinions on what a good match is. I respect your opinion, but his match vs Orton was not my cup of tea as it was boring as hell.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 8, 2015 13:25:37 GMT -5
Reigns is not better right now than Cena was back in 04/05. Cena put on quality matches with Booker T, Kurt Angle, and Jericho. Reigns has not delivered ONE quality match since going solo. Vs Orton. That's debatable. I don't even need to see them wait on Reigns until next year, just SummerSlam later this year and that would be fine by me. Midcard title win at Mania, hot summer, champion vs champion match in the SummerSlam main event . Fine with me. That gives Reigns every opportunity to prove people care about him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 13:26:03 GMT -5
We all have opinions on what a good match is. I respect your opinion, but his match vs Orton was not my cup of tea as it was boring as hell. He's only had one chance to deliver on a PPV in a singles match. He's had matches with Rollins that were solid as well. Pretty hard to say he's never delivered when he hasn't really had a chance to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 13:28:07 GMT -5
That's debatable. I don't even need to see them wait on Reigns until next year, just SummerSlam later this year and that would be fine by me. Midcard title win at Mania, hot summer, champion vs champion match in the SummerSlam main event . Fine with me. That gives Reigns every opportunity to prove people care about him. Yep. I agree. Reigns' injury really set him back in that regard. He's only had one singles match on PPV, so it's really hard to gauge how he's going to do in big spots, with the first one since August being Fast Lane or Mania? It just doesn't really work for me the way it's trending.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 13:41:01 GMT -5
That's debatable. I don't even need to see them wait on Reigns until next year, just SummerSlam later this year and that would be fine by me. Midcard title win at Mania, hot summer, champion vs champion match in the SummerSlam main event . Fine with me. That gives Reigns every opportunity to prove people care about him. Yep. I agree. Reigns' injury really set him back in that regard. He's only had one singles match on PPV, so it's really hard to gauge how he's going to do in big spots, with the first one since August being Fast Lane or Mania? It just doesn't really work for me the way it's trending. Yokozuna went over the #1 face of the company for the title in his 3rd PPV appearance ever, his second singles PVV match, and his first PPV match with someone not named VIRGIL.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 13:54:13 GMT -5
Yep. I agree. Reigns' injury really set him back in that regard. He's only had one singles match on PPV, so it's really hard to gauge how he's going to do in big spots, with the first one since August being Fast Lane or Mania? It just doesn't really work for me the way it's trending. Yokozuna went over the #1 face of the company for the title in his 3rd PPV appearance ever, his second singles PVV match, and his first PPV match with someone not named VIRGIL. Assuming he works Fast Lane, seems to be what's gonna happen.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Jan 8, 2015 13:58:14 GMT -5
Yep. I agree. Reigns' injury really set him back in that regard. He's only had one singles match on PPV, so it's really hard to gauge how he's going to do in big spots, with the first one since August being Fast Lane or Mania? It just doesn't really work for me the way it's trending. Yokozuna went over the #1 face of the company for the title in his 3rd PPV appearance ever, his second singles PVV match, and his first PPV match with someone not named VIRGIL. And that was a mess caused by Lust Hogan refusing to work with Hart wasn't it? Not exactly a standard setting moment for the future. lol I still think it would be awesome if he turned heel like Rock at SS98 once he wins the title.
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