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Post by Robert69 on Jan 9, 2015 10:44:23 GMT -5
I believe the fans who don't live and die by the sword of their favorite wrestler's push do. I, myself, try to enjoy the show the best I can. If I worried so much about who got pushed and who deserved this or that then I would never be able to be a happy wrestling fan. Doesn't really answer my question. I'm just really curious to see the perspective from someone who actually like Roman Reigns, because honestly, I don't understand how someone could say that he's ready. I'm aware that there are 4 other pages, and no, I didn't read them, so someone may have addressed you in a more than acceptable way, already. But as a Roman Reigns fan, I'm happy to give my two cents: Straight up: Is Roman Reigns ready to be champion? No. Do I want him to win the title at WM? Yes. Why? Because the show is so damn stale. Whether it's Reigns, Rollins, Ambrose, Wyatt, or even Rusev...so long as it's not f**king John Cena, I'm going to be happy. I'd prefer it not be Rusev, though. Here's my thing with Roman Reigns. He's had a couple decent/good promos. That seems to be the biggest issue that people have with him. Is he great? No. Could he be? Probably. Rollins was garbage on the mic for a LONG time, and he's gotten better, and better. No reason not to expect the same of Reigns. That said, it seems a LOT of people who make this argument also ignore the fact that he's not supposed to have a lot to say. We didn't complain about Kane way back when, not having a lot to say. That's just who he was. The next aspect people are hating? Him being shoved down our throats. Now, even as a fan I'm noticing they're doing this, and a LOT of that falls on the (increasingly terrible) announce team. Michael Cole on his d**k the entire match is annoying, even as a fan. Just stfu and let the character speak for itself. Then his move set? It is basic, but so are a lot of guys. And his 'basic' moveset is still pretty damn fun to watch. When he hits his marks, they look damn good. On to his booking, which is probably most applicable to your question...He's been gone for what? 4 months? And they feed Big Show to him on his return? I don't get this, if he's going to be champ as soon as WM...his WM push needs to be pushed back, and he needs to take the US Title off Rusev (in a good match), THAT would establish his character. He needs to be gradually reestablished. Had he been around these past few months, actually working, maybe I'd be ready to see him take the championship at WM, and have no qualms. But if he comes out as the competitor for the Title at WM, I'm not going to complain. And I really don't think even his detractors should. It's something different. Let's at LEAST be happy about that, and the likely feud between Rollins/Reigns to come of it. Could be damn entertaining. Does the dude need more work? Absolutely. Should he be the champ at WM? Probably not. Is he the worst option? Nope. Therefore I'm going to be happy, sit back, and enjoy the show. I'm not a fan of Roman Reigns as he is. I'm a fan of the potential that Roman Reigns has. The same potential he showed with The Shield, that ALL 3 members had us saying, "This is the future of the company." -- WWE just wants that potential to come to fruition a bit quicker, than we do, it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 11:08:23 GMT -5
This whole "Roman Reigns was protected in the Shield" bullcrapis super annoying and completely false given he had many more memorable moments on his own than he shared with the group. If he didn't achieve anything on his own then he wouldn't have eliminated that many people and brown those records during Survivor Series and the Rumble.
Roman Reigns is a very good talent, and I'll be happy if either he or Bryan win the Rumble match this year, even with Bryan being my favourite wrestler of all time.
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Post by Raging Bender on Jan 9, 2015 11:27:36 GMT -5
This is a subject my friend and I go back and forth about so here are my $.02
no doubt Reigns has the look and appeal but WWE has yet to really let him loose and see what he can do. Its almost like they are protecting him from failure. I say give him a live mike and 3 minutes on raw for a no script promo and see what happens. Put him in the Raw main event 1 on 1 with a solid worker for 30 minutes and see what happens.
in my opinion, Reigns needs another year to season, let him feud with Russev and hold the US title for a while, have him face all types of performers, technicians, spot monkeys and see what works best. It wouldn't be lost time because you have incredible talent that is already there like Rollins, Ambrose, Wyatt and Ziggler with new NXT guys in the wings.
that's what makes sense to me, but then again I probably don't know what is best for business.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 11:28:25 GMT -5
This whole "Roman Reigns was protected in the Shield" bullcrapis super annoying and completely false given he had many more memorable moments on his own than he shared with the group. If he didn't achieve anything on his own then he wouldn't have eliminated that many people and brown those records during Survivor Series and the Rumble. Roman Reigns is a very good talent, and I'll be happy if either he or Bryan win the Rumble match this year, even with Bryan being my favourite wrestler of all time. Its savagely incorrect for anybody to say he achieved zero on his own BUT He WAS protected within the Shield though man...He was placed in the team with Rollins so he could improve, learn & grow under the guise of Rollins doing most of the work and Reigns getting over with the hot tag scenario showcasing his explosive power moves. Vince likely placed him within the team structure because he was being groomed to be the guy....it afforded Vince an opportunity to have RR heavily featured on TV while learning on the job if you will. I'm a fan of RR and desperately want the guy to do well. I agree he is a great talent but genuinely fear they may hurt him if he is given the Rumble win.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 14:08:58 GMT -5
This whole "Roman Reigns was protected in the Shield" bullcrapis super annoying and completely false given he had many more memorable moments on his own than he shared with the group. If he didn't achieve anything on his own then he wouldn't have eliminated that many people and brown those records during Survivor Series and the Rumble. Roman Reigns is a very good talent, and I'll be happy if either he or Bryan win the Rumble match this year, even with Bryan being my favourite wrestler of all time. Its savagely incorrect for anybody to say he achieved zero on his own BUT He WAS protected within the Shield though man...He was placed in the team with Rollins so he could improve, learn & grow under the guise of Rollins doing most of the work and Reigns getting over with the hot tag scenario showcasing his explosive power moves. Vince likely placed him within the team structure because he was being groomed to be the guy....it afforded Vince an opportunity to have RR heavily featured on TV while learning on the job if you will. I'm a fan of RR and desperately want the guy to do well. I agree he is a great talent but genuinely fear they may hurt him if he is given the Rumble win. It's made out as though Roman Reigns would immediately sink on his own without coming into the scene with his partners. But truthfully, the same can be said about all. None of them will've been as good by themselves as they're nowhere near as polished as they are now.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 9, 2015 16:00:54 GMT -5
Its savagely incorrect for anybody to say he achieved zero on his own BUT He WAS protected within the Shield though man...He was placed in the team with Rollins so he could improve, learn & grow under the guise of Rollins doing most of the work and Reigns getting over with the hot tag scenario showcasing his explosive power moves. Vince likely placed him within the team structure because he was being groomed to be the guy....it afforded Vince an opportunity to have RR heavily featured on TV while learning on the job if you will. I'm a fan of RR and desperately want the guy to do well. I agree he is a great talent but genuinely fear they may hurt him if he is given the Rumble win. It's made out as though Roman Reigns would immediately sink on his own without coming into the scene with his partners. But truthfully, the same can be said about all. None of them will've been as good by themselves as they're nowhere near as polished as they are now. The Shield was the most beneficial to Reigns. You like Roman Reigns, we got it. Stop being so offended by those who don't. You're essentially arguing about scenarios that don't exist. If he wasn't protected in the Shield, he'd be awesome right now, but right now he still needs work. It's not that big of a deal. Lots of guys who have needed work have gotten better. Hell, lots of guys who straight up sucked, like Batista, still did awesome despite it. Reigns is going to be the same way. He's going to be put over come hell or high water, so you're winning no matter what as his fan. It's like John Cena fans, how the can you even care about what people who don't like him say? All he does is win, win, win, no matter what, what, what. Reigns will be the same.
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Post by Chief on Jan 9, 2015 16:31:47 GMT -5
Roman Reigns was 100% protected in the Shield but the reason why he was protected was because he played his role in the team to a tee. He was the bruiser, the muscle, the bad ass, the bodyguard, the menace of the Shield.
When they formed, Ambrose was the mouth piece, Rollins was the work horse, and Reigns was the muscle. Of course they all evolved beyond that as time went on but that's how they started.
Reigns was protected because he was never sent in there to wrestle for 10 minutes at a time. That was Rollins' and to a less extent, part of Ambrose's role. He may have been in and out acting as the heavy but they never left him exposed wrestling in the ring like that because he was the weak link wrestling wise of the team.
His role in the match was that hot tag. Then he'd run in, destroy everyone with clotheslines, slams, Superman Punches, basement dropkicks and spears. He got over because he was great doing that.
When he was in the Shield, they never let Reigns flounder in the ring wrestling for 10 mins of the time like they have had recently with the Big Show, Rusev, Rollins, etc.
As others have said, he should be steamrolling these fools on TV while honing his wrestling craft on the live events. Him squashing dudes is how you build him to win the Rumble and how you get people excited about his matches.
With a guy like Fandango, it hurts him ZERO if the bell rings, he charges Reigns, Reigns ducks and then KOs him with a Superman Punch. No Spear or anything. Then he makes a lax cover with that sly smile on his face. You want to capitalize on that pop you get from his entrance. There are plenty of guys on the roster he can kill like Slater, Truth, Bo Dallas, Sin Cara (sad face), Gabriel, Matadores, O'Neil, Rose, Axel, and Young.
I can fantasy book Roman Reigns a 100 times better then how they are booking him now.
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Post by Rob on Jan 9, 2015 18:15:02 GMT -5
If Reigns can go out there on his own, Give a good storytelling 5-10 minute promo in the ring, Put on a good quality 15-20 min match on his own, I'll become a fan of his. Simple as that. As of now, He has shown NOTHING on his own. Those 1/2 liner scripted promos wont work when youre trying to tell a story from the heart in the ring. He is getting this massive push while he is VERY green and undeserving and its going to backfire so bad on them.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jan 10, 2015 7:52:57 GMT -5
I think Roman Reigns is preferable than keeping John Cena as the face of the company for the next 10 years. Sure it would be great if we had some indy technical wrestler as the face of the company but they aren't marketable. Reigns has the look, a decent set of signature moves and seems a company guy. His matches will sell ppv's. Just think of all the big matches like Reigns vs Cena, Reigns vs Lesnar, Reigns vs HHH, Reigns vs Bryan and maybe even Reigns vs Taker. Reigns "reign" of terror is coming soon whether you like it or not. Difference between Reigns and Ohno, Reigns is constantly looking to improve himself for the business to go far. Ohno refused to drop weight and proved he was unreliable to the WWE You can't be serious with this. Reigns needs to improve because he's terrible... Hero didn't need to improve, because after years of honing his craft he was already at the top of his game - of course it helps that he's far more naturally gifted than Reigns will ever be.
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Post by xavion2004 on Jan 10, 2015 9:14:09 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I thought Reigns was much better on the mic on last night's Smackdown. The rumor mill claims that many within the WWE believe that a big part of the reason he's been struggling with promos is the way he's been scripted. I don't know if that played into it or not, but I felt like I saw more Roman Reigns and less "product" last night than I have the past few weeks.
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Post by madness1 on Jan 10, 2015 9:29:17 GMT -5
If they dont have Lesnar drop the strap to Reigns then the last 6 months of Lesnar title run was a waste because:
Bryan over Lesnar is just too unbelievable
Lesnar without the strap putting over Reigns in a midcard match doenst have near the impact in the main event for the title.
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Post by Robert69 on Jan 10, 2015 10:44:30 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I thought Reigns was much better on the mic on last night's Smackdown. The rumor mill claims that many within the WWE believe that a big part of the reason he's been struggling with promos is the way he's been scripted. I don't know if that played into it or not, but I felt like I saw more Roman Reigns and less "product" last night than I have the past few weeks. He was far better, in general, last night. His mic work at the beginning was "John Cena"-esque, but it wasn't nearly as cringe-worthy. Much more "The Rock" style. Hopefully they allow him more free reign, if that's indeed the problem. And I thought his match was quality. It helps, of course, to have Ambrose and Rollins as part of the whole thing, but he did more than his part, and rocked it out. If we can get last night, on a regular basis, and improve from there, I think a lot of his detractors may even come around. Hell, some have already seemed to show him a little love, after last night.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 10, 2015 10:48:08 GMT -5
Hero didn't need to improve, because after years of honing his craft he was already at the top of his game What's his game, pie-eating contests?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 10:56:01 GMT -5
Difference between Reigns and Ohno, Reigns is constantly looking to improve himself for the business to go far. Ohno refused to drop weight and proved he was unreliable to the WWE You can't be serious with this. Reigns needs to improve because he's terrible... Hero didn't need to improve, because after years of honing his craft he was already at the top of his game - of course it helps that he's far more naturally gifted than Reigns will ever be. Reigns is constantly looking to improve, he has motivation and you can tell he really does care about the business Hero is one of the best wrestlers in the world, but his body image isn't suited for WWE. He's one of those guys that is really better off in the indies so he can perform at the top of his game without being held back by the WWEs many limitations
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 13:23:17 GMT -5
According to Meltzer, Vince is writing Reigns' promos himself. This certainly explains why the writing for them is so horrible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 18:36:19 GMT -5
According to Meltzer, Vince is writing Reigns' promos himself. This certainly explains why the writing for them is so horrible. Yeah I read that too I believe it
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Post by The Yes Man on Jan 10, 2015 18:59:47 GMT -5
According to Meltzer, Vince is writing Reigns' promos himself. This certainly explains why the writing for them is so horrible. I Beleee Dat.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 10, 2015 19:02:39 GMT -5
Probably Vince and Kevin Dunn sabotaging Reigns on purpose because he's a Triple H guy and they're jealous.
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Post by sean™ on Jan 10, 2015 22:11:09 GMT -5
He bores me.
Big whoop, wanna fight about it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 23:03:37 GMT -5
I actually enjoyed his SD promo. However, I do not want another Cena who never takes an opponent seriously.
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