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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 13:37:00 GMT -5
Kofi, Barrett, Rose, Dallas, Axel, Ziggler (to an extent), Rhodes/Stardust, Miz, and even Sandow can ALL BE main event stars. None of those will EVER deserve to be apart of the Main Event nor close to it. Says who? They've never been given a chance. I agree about Axl though. He is the definition of bland. Miz had his chance. Dallas? Naw. But the rest? I think so. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 13:54:38 GMT -5
Axel cannot be a top heel. You really have no say, honestly. You don't know if he can or not. Does he have potential? Hell yes. Improper booking make him look like a fragile piece of garbage. He's far from that. With that being said, I'm eager to see his new development while in NXT. As someone who has seen him cut a promo, I absolutely have a say. He has no charisma. He's good in the ring, but he's nothing more than a generic mid card ceiling guy. As he should be, and there's nothing wrong with that. Even if he could somehow build a decent character, he'll be nothing more than what Tyson Kidd is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 14:23:54 GMT -5
In fairness, when the shield were together it was always Dean who was supposed to get lost in the shuffle and fizzle out (thankfully not).
I believe that he will get his chance and even during the time wasting comedy segments, he still gets over which is a credit to him with how bad the booking really is, he still manages makes it good. Hell be just fine, there's no one like him in the WWE and if the fans are behind him now, just wait until he moves up the card.
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Post by HVMMONS on Jan 14, 2015 15:48:52 GMT -5
You really have no say, honestly. You don't know if he can or not. Does he have potential? Hell yes. Improper booking make him look like a fragile piece of garbage. He's far from that. With that being said, I'm eager to see his new development while in NXT. He badly needs a mouthpiece. He has the worst mic skills I think I've ever seen. I have hope for him down in NXT, but even through his first match with Itami he just keep yelling randomly throughout and it didn't click. He and Rose are the two guys on your list that I see with mid-card ceilings. They could always prove me wrong, but with their abilities right now, that's what I see. I can only see Rose succeeding if he drops the party gimmick, and leads himself into the Kruger gimmick. As for Axel, I personally liked the way Axel yelled at Itami during their match. He rarely did that on Raw, or any other show. Once he gets comfortable on the mic, I believe Axel will be more noticed. You really have no say, honestly. You don't know if he can or not. Does he have potential? Hell yes. Improper booking make him look like a fragile piece of garbage. He's far from that. With that being said, I'm eager to see his new development while in NXT. As someone who has seen him cut a promo, I absolutely have a say. He has no charisma. He's good in the ring, but he's nothing more than a generic mid card ceiling guy. As he should be, and there's nothing wrong with that. Even if he could somehow build a decent character, he'll be nothing more than what Tyson Kidd is. It's very rare for someone to bust out of the WWE machine and be phenomenal at everything. I partially agree with his promo abilities, but he'll get better over time. Just like any other performer. There's no reason to declare someone a midcard performer for their rest of their career when they've never been given a chance in the main event. I'm not that big of a fan of Axel, but I know he's better than 'good' in the ring. He's better than the majority of the roster. For the time being, yes, he will be a midcard talent. In the future, I'm anxious to see him succeed up the card. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 16:37:41 GMT -5
He badly needs a mouthpiece. He has the worst mic skills I think I've ever seen. I have hope for him down in NXT, but even through his first match with Itami he just keep yelling randomly throughout and it didn't click. He and Rose are the two guys on your list that I see with mid-card ceilings. They could always prove me wrong, but with their abilities right now, that's what I see. I can only see Rose succeeding if he drops the party gimmick, and leads himself into the Kruger gimmick. As for Axel, I personally liked the way Axel yelled at Itami during their match. He rarely did that on Raw, or any other show. Once he gets comfortable on the mic, I believe Axel will be more noticed. As someone who has seen him cut a promo, I absolutely have a say. He has no charisma. He's good in the ring, but he's nothing more than a generic mid card ceiling guy. As he should be, and there's nothing wrong with that. Even if he could somehow build a decent character, he'll be nothing more than what Tyson Kidd is. It's very rare for someone to bust out of the WWE machine and be phenomenal at everything. I partially agree with his promo abilities, but he'll get better over time. Just like any other performer. There's no reason to declare someone a midcard performer for their rest of their career when they've never been given a chance in the main event. I'm not that big of a fan of Axel, but I know he's better than 'good' in the ring. He's better than the majority of the roster. For the time being, yes, he will be a midcard talent. In the future, I'm anxious to see him succeed up the card. Don't hold your breath on him. His potential is not that high. |
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Post by v/\v on Jan 14, 2015 16:40:49 GMT -5
The Wrestlemania Main Event that will no doubt get lost is gorgeously tee'd up as it stands... Reigns winning the Rumble, Ambrose toppling Reigns on a Raw after coming up just short in second in the rumble match and swooping in to sign the match contract surreptitiously...
And Rollins the newish Champion in a booking more tightly knit than the Mania 20 booking.
That match should top the card and that's where Ambrose should be with Reigns and Rollins in my view.
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Post by HVMMONS on Jan 14, 2015 16:44:59 GMT -5
I can only see Rose succeeding if he drops the party gimmick, and leads himself into the Kruger gimmick. As for Axel, I personally liked the way Axel yelled at Itami during their match. He rarely did that on Raw, or any other show. Once he gets comfortable on the mic, I believe Axel will be more noticed. It's very rare for someone to bust out of the WWE machine and be phenomenal at everything. I partially agree with his promo abilities, but he'll get better over time. Just like any other performer. There's no reason to declare someone a midcard performer for their rest of their career when they've never been given a chance in the main event. I'm not that big of a fan of Axel, but I know he's better than 'good' in the ring. He's better than the majority of the roster. For the time being, yes, he will be a midcard talent. In the future, I'm anxious to see him succeed up the card. Don't hold your breath on him. His potential is not that high. Please elaborate your reasoning. If you're wanting to bash someone with no potential, please see Heath Slater Darren Young. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 14, 2015 16:46:14 GMT -5
He badly needs a mouthpiece. He has the worst mic skills I think I've ever seen. I have hope for him down in NXT, but even through his first match with Itami he just keep yelling randomly throughout and it didn't click. He and Rose are the two guys on your list that I see with mid-card ceilings. They could always prove me wrong, but with their abilities right now, that's what I see. I can only see Rose succeeding if he drops the party gimmick, and leads himself into the Kruger gimmick. As for Axel, I personally liked the way Axel yelled at Itami during their match. He rarely did that on Raw, or any other show. Once he gets comfortable on the mic, I believe Axel will be more noticed. As someone who has seen him cut a promo, I absolutely have a say. He has no charisma. He's good in the ring, but he's nothing more than a generic mid card ceiling guy. As he should be, and there's nothing wrong with that. Even if he could somehow build a decent character, he'll be nothing more than what Tyson Kidd is. It's very rare for someone to bust out of the WWE machine and be phenomenal at everything. I partially agree with his promo abilities, but he'll get better over time. Just like any other performer. There's no reason to declare someone a midcard performer for their rest of their career when they've never been given a chance in the main event. I'm not that big of a fan of Axel, but I know he's better than 'good' in the ring. He's better than the majority of the roster. For the time being, yes, he will be a midcard talent. In the future, I'm anxious to see him succeed up the card. I'm someone who believed there was more potential in Axel as IC Champion with Heyman as his mouthpiece. But until Axel learns how to talk, he'll be in the position he's in currently. And that's fine. |
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jan 14, 2015 16:47:10 GMT -5
The amount of people still thinking the "the machine is keeping the man down" is incredible. If Dean can draw and his merch sales are good then He will make it, not because its what the fans want, but because he makes the most money, so stop bitching on the internet go and buy a dean Ambrose t-shirt.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 14, 2015 16:47:57 GMT -5
Don't hold your breath on him. His potential is not that high. You are very ignorant if you didn't know already. Please elaborate your reasoning. If you're wanting to bash someone with no potential, please see Heath Slater. I'd disagree on that. Heath Slater has found ways to connect with the crowd even as a jobber. I mean, Axel's old "genesis of McGillicutty" promo was dreadful and that was like four years ago and he hasn't gotten much better. |
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Post by HVMMONS on Jan 14, 2015 16:50:20 GMT -5
You are very ignorant if you didn't know already. Please elaborate your reasoning. If you're wanting to bash someone with no potential, please see Heath Slater. I'd disagree on that. Heath Slater has found ways to connect with the crowd even as a jobber. I mean, Axel's old "genesis of McGillicutty" promo was dreadful and that was like four years ago and he hasn't gotten much better. Very true. I try to forget McGillicutty. For your previous post, I didn't think Heyman helped Axel at all. I actually think Heyman made him worse while being his mouthpiece. His promo skills haven't been top notch on the main roster, but I'm excited to see him improve his mic skills (hopefully) in NXT, because like it or not, Axel is oozing potential. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 14, 2015 16:51:34 GMT -5
I'd disagree on that. Heath Slater has found ways to connect with the crowd even as a jobber. I mean, Axel's old "genesis of McGillicutty" promo was dreadful and that was like four years ago and he hasn't gotten much better. Very true. I try to forget McGillicutty. For your previous post, I didn't think Heyman helped Axel at all. I actually think Heyman made him worse while being his mouthpiece. His promo skills haven't been top notch on the main roster, but I'm excited to see him improve (hopefully) in NXT, because like it or not, Axel does have potential. I agree that Paul Heyman ended up doing more harm than good. I just think there was potential in the idea. Heyman can be a good mouthpiece and if that was done better, he could have had a solid run instead of it being largely forgettable. |
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Post by HVMMONS on Jan 14, 2015 16:57:02 GMT -5
Very true. I try to forget McGillicutty. For your previous post, I didn't think Heyman helped Axel at all. I actually think Heyman made him worse while being his mouthpiece. His promo skills haven't been top notch on the main roster, but I'm excited to see him improve (hopefully) in NXT, because like it or not, Axel does have potential. I agree that Paul Heyman ended up doing more harm than good. I just think there was potential in the idea. Heyman can be a good mouthpiece and if that was done better, he could have had a solid run instead of it being largely forgettable. Yup. The idea of Heyman being paired with Axel looked great on paper, but in reality, was dreadful. Having Itami face Axel in NXT seems like it could turn out to be a fantastic feud. I've not read any spoilers, so I'm not sure if they'll continue to face each other. But back on topic, yeahhh.... Dean Ambrose. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 17:02:15 GMT -5
Don't hold your breath on him. His potential is not that high. Please elaborate your reasoning. If you're wanting to bash someone with no potential, please see Heath Slater Darren Young. To use your reasoning, Darren Young has never been given a chance, and is pretty decent in the ring. He should get a shot, too. Slater does have a win over Rollins the main event of Raw. He's the obvious guy to take down Lesnar. Bar none. As for Axel. He's really not better than most of the roster. He's middle of the pack, has no charisma, and the only thing special about his beard. He's nothing special at all. There's a good amount of people who should be pushed over him. |
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Post by Tyler Black on Jan 14, 2015 17:06:18 GMT -5
No sir, you the instant gratification, crash-tv loving, Russo target viewer has ruined wrestling for me. Who said anything about instant gratification, crash-TV it Vince Russo? Just because I don't like what's happening now doesn't mean I think we need to go back to the Attitude Era. That doesn't even mean that I prefer the Attitude Era. Not once, in any post I have ever made here, have I ever suggested that. You come off as that type of fan. If it was up to a fan like you we'd have dean win the title on main event this week then on raw Cesaro wins it. The type of fan that refuses to wait for a pay off or see how things work out everything has to happen immediately |
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Post by HVMMONS on Jan 14, 2015 17:11:06 GMT -5
Please elaborate your reasoning. If you're wanting to bash someone with no potential, please see Heath Slater Darren Young. To use your reasoning, Darren Young has never been given a chance, and is pretty decent in the ring. He should get a shot, too. Slater does have a win over Rollins the main event of Raw. He's the obvious guy to take down Lesnar. Bar none. As for Axel. He's really not better than most of the roster. He's middle of the pack, has no charisma, and the only thing special about his beard. He's nothing special at all. There's a good amount of people who should be pushed over him. We can agree to disagree. I'll be the big man to step down so this thread doesn't get locked over the fact that Axel does have potential. He just needs severe time to get better on the mic  . |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 17:15:38 GMT -5
To use your reasoning, Darren Young has never been given a chance, and is pretty decent in the ring. He should get a shot, too. Slater does have a win over Rollins the main event of Raw. He's the obvious guy to take down Lesnar. Bar none. As for Axel. He's really not better than most of the roster. He's middle of the pack, has no charisma, and the only thing special about his beard. He's nothing special at all. There's a good amount of people who should be pushed over him. We can agree to disagree. I'll be the big man to step down so this thread doesn't get locked over the fact that Axel does have potential. He just needs severe time to get better on the mic .  I'll leave this adorable ferret here. I think it's a ferret. Could be a rosebud. |
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jan 14, 2015 17:17:12 GMT -5
Who said anything about instant gratification, crash-TV it Vince Russo? Just because I don't like what's happening now doesn't mean I think we need to go back to the Attitude Era. That doesn't even mean that I prefer the Attitude Era. Not once, in any post I have ever made here, have I ever suggested that. You come off as that type of fan. If it was up to a fan like you we'd have dean win the title on main event this week then on raw Cesaro wins it. The type of fan that refuses to wait for a pay off or see how things work out everything has to happen immediately My complaints with WWE have very little to do with when they push people. I'm a slow build guy. Show builds have always and probably will always be the best TV. My problem is creative. Everything they do is  ing stupid and most of it doesn't make any amount of sense. Vince McMahon's idea of a good wrestling show is to have John Cena call someone a poopy face butt pirate and have Samoan Fabio use the catch phrase of a cartoon character that's 60 years old. Then we've got the WWE style of wrestling... They make everyone work the same. It's boring. Nevermind wrestling, this isn't good television. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 14, 2015 18:44:16 GMT -5
The amount of people still thinking the "the machine is keeping the man down" is incredible. If Dean can draw and his merch sales are good then He will make it, not because its what the fans want, but because he makes the most money, so stop bitching on the internet go and buy a dean Ambrose t-shirt. And here I thought fan popularity and merchandise sales were directly correlated with each other. Huh, what do you know... |
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Post by Rule 30 on Jan 14, 2015 18:55:05 GMT -5
I'm simply baffled by the people who say Dean Ambrose is ruined. He's one of the few guys who has the WWE machine backing him right now. He has had big feud after big feud for the past year now. First it was with the Shield against the Wyatts and Evolution, then it was against Rollins, and he just wrapped up the program with Bray. Now he's back in a storyline with the Authority. He's still over, and gets just as much TV time as Reigns and Rollins do. A few losses nobody will remember six months from now aren't going to hurt him if the WWE machine and the fans continue to support him.
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