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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 11:43:21 GMT -5
Dolph is prone to concussions and saying crap that gets him in the doghouse. Ambrose has been fine in both categories so far and is all about 100 times better than Dolph on the mic. Dolph got 1 frigging concussion from jack swagger and everyone labels him injury prone. That's no excuse for the wwes crap booking of him. Him and Dean are in similar situations. He got another from Del Rio while he was world champion. Their situations are not the same. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Feb 8, 2015 11:44:31 GMT -5
I agree 100% that the guy is being misused. How can anyone justify all the losing he has been doing since the shield broke up. Yes they wernt always clean but the fans don't care of its clean it not, they only care about the win-loss record. And during that bray feud ambrose lost all of those matches clean. He'll even foley got more wins than Dean (also don't forget reigns got a clean won over Seth right in the middle of his and deans feud). The mass fans want to stay behind Dean. but he can only lose to the bray Wyatts and Seth Rollins so much before they don't give a crap anymore. I think he's main event ready, but also agree not everyone can get pushed to the top of the card right away. However, when he's loosing this much and is going to feud over a worthless title it shows the little faith the wwe has in him. We've seen this same story play out many time over the past 15 years and I seriously cannot see how anyone can still defend his crap booking. Or, maybe they want to see how he handles himself as a champion. IC title was a stepping stone once, remember. People can do great things with the "meaningless" title. Cody Rhodes was a fantastic IC champion, and made me care about the belt for once till he lost it. If Ambrose wins it, he might be able to do the same. People continue to defend his crap booking because...there's not a whole lot of BS there, honestly. Yeah, the Bray feud, fine. Aside from that, there's the Royal Rumble itself (which....was crap for almost everyone involved). Ambrose is over like crazy and was used to make Bray and Seth strong. I have no problems with it. Now, they're using BNB to, seemingly, build Ambrose up. Slow builds can be done in a variety of ways. Booking isn't always cookie cutter. And how well is that going for Cody? Really didn't get him anywhere did it... The ic title hasn't been relevant in over a decade. Cody tried making it important but as soon as he dropped it it went back to meaning crap and Cody went to doing crap as well. Dean holding a worthless prop isn't going to make it important or help elevate him. It's basically the wwe not having any plans for him and trying to appease fans who buy all of there crap. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 11:46:13 GMT -5
Or, maybe they want to see how he handles himself as a champion. IC title was a stepping stone once, remember. People can do great things with the "meaningless" title. Cody Rhodes was a fantastic IC champion, and made me care about the belt for once till he lost it. If Ambrose wins it, he might be able to do the same. People continue to defend his crap booking because...there's not a whole lot of BS there, honestly. Yeah, the Bray feud, fine. Aside from that, there's the Royal Rumble itself (which....was crap for almost everyone involved). Ambrose is over like crazy and was used to make Bray and Seth strong. I have no problems with it. Now, they're using BNB to, seemingly, build Ambrose up. Slow builds can be done in a variety of ways. Booking isn't always cookie cutter. And how well is that going for Cody? Really didn't get him anywhere did it... The ic title hasn't been relevant in over a decade. Cody tried making it important but as soon as he dropped it it went back to meaning crap and Cody went to doing crap as well. Dean holding a worthless prop isn't going to make it important or help elevate him. It's basically the wwe not having any plans for him and trying to appease fans who buy all of there crap. Missed my point about Cody completely. Maybe not everyone is so cynical like you are. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Feb 8, 2015 11:51:40 GMT -5
And how well is that going for Cody? Really didn't get him anywhere did it... The ic title hasn't been relevant in over a decade. Cody tried making it important but as soon as he dropped it it went back to meaning crap and Cody went to doing crap as well. Dean holding a worthless prop isn't going to make it important or help elevate him. It's basically the wwe not having any plans for him and trying to appease fans who buy all of there crap. Missed my point about Cody completely. Maybe not everyone is so cynical like you are. Again you arnt defending why you think Dean will be any different from Cody. Cody tried making the title mean something and it got him no where. If the title is a stepping stone then why hasn't anyone who held the title in the past 5 years been elevated by it? It's almost like a stepping down stone at this point as former world champs like Miz and Christian moved down to the title and never got back to the main event after it. Instead of blindly believing "the wwe wants to see how he'll do" take a look at the recent history of the title and say to yourself again that this is good for Dean. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Feb 8, 2015 11:51:49 GMT -5
And to the people defending the wwes booking of Ambrose, how's this "he'll be fine" crap working out for Dolph. For years people defended his terrible booking as he's young and will be fine yet he's in the same spot now as he was 5 years ago. What makes people think it'll be any different for Dean? I see the wwe pulling the same main event "tease" with Dean that they've been doing with Dolph. Ambrose is a world apart from Ziggler in terms of money-drawing potential. Ziggler has never been much good at anything other than having a decent look and bumping around for other guys. Ambrose is pretty awesome at just about everything, which is why he got to main-event PPVs over John Cena matches. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Feb 8, 2015 11:54:03 GMT -5
And to the people defending the wwes booking of Ambrose, how's this "he'll be fine" crap working out for Dolph. For years people defended his terrible booking as he's young and will be fine yet he's in the same spot now as he was 5 years ago. What makes people think it'll be any different for Dean? I see the wwe pulling the same main event "tease" with Dean that they've been doing with Dolph. Ambrose is a world apart from Ziggler in terms of money-drawing potential. Ziggler has never been much good at anything other than having a decent look and bumping around for other guys. Ambrose is pretty awesome at just about everything, which is why he got to main-event PPVs over John Cena matches. Dolph is over everywhere he goes. It's not just an iwc thing. Look at the pops he gets every week on raw. The masses want him in the main event. The wwe won't do it. Yes there individual skills are world apart but there current situations arnt much different. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Feb 8, 2015 11:55:49 GMT -5
Missed my point about Cody completely. Maybe not everyone is so cynical like you are. Again you arnt defending why you think Dean will be any different from Cody. Cody tried making the title mean something and it got him no where. Cody tried bringing back an old belt, and constantly talking about IC champions from decades ago. That's never going to work. Everybody who wins the Intercontinental these days does the same thing, talking about Mr Perfect and Shawn Michaels and so on. All that does is say "hey, remember all the IC champions who were a million times better than me?" It highlights the gap in quality. If he's not in a silly gimmick, Cody Rhodes is as dull as Curtis Axel. He was never going to elevate the IC title. Dean Ambrose is a guy who is actually interesting, and thus gets to do actual character stuff. Out of anybody on the entire roster short of Cena and Rollins, Ambrose is the guy who can actually make that championship matter again. Whether he does, who knows? But he's a guy that WWE is invested in giving mic time and angles to and he's a guy that can pull them off, and that immediately puts him in a better spot than most IC champions of the last few years. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 11:56:25 GMT -5
Missed my point about Cody completely. Maybe not everyone is so cynical like you are. Again you arnt defending why you think Dean will be any different from Cody. Cody tried making the title mean something and it got him no where. If the title is a stepping stone then why hasn't anyone who held the title in the past 5 years been elevated by it? It's almost like a stepping down stone at this point as former world champs like Miz and Christian moved down to the title and never got back to the main event after it. Instead of blindly believing "the wwe wants to see how he'll do" take a look at the recent history of the title and say to yourself again that this is good for Dean. Probably the same way it was good for Cody. Sure, he's not main eventing, but that's more of Cody looking like a twig. The IC title CAN be a stepping stone. It's up the person holding it. Cody made people start to care about it again and it was great to watch. If Dean does the same, with his drawing potential, it's a stepping stone. And no, it's not "blindly following." It's taking a wait and see approach and not jumping the gun. |
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Post by Sizzle on Feb 8, 2015 11:58:15 GMT -5
come on ppl wheres the patience, the shield hasnt even been seperated for a year yet and there is probably a thread for all 3 of them about y they arent champ yet(except maybe reigns). this is all the attitude/ruthless aggression eras faults when the belt changed hands practically every month. as for ambrose he has lost at every pay-per-view he has been in since leaving the shield and is still over. wwe is using that to try to make others look stronger i.e. bray wyatt, seth rollins, and maybe wade barrett(who wwe keeps trying to push but keeps getting injured). he will get his time tho. will say the i-c title needs him not the other way around. Couldn't have said it better myself. Or could I? |
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Post by Miztery on Feb 8, 2015 12:25:48 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry about Ambrose. He is way too good on the mic, cuts way too good promos, has way too much charisma, and is too good in the ring for WWE to not turn him into a main eventer. I still anticipate that at WM 32 or 33 it will be him, Reigns and Rollins for the belt. And once that happens, none of them will ever look back. It will take him longer than it took Rollins or Reigns but don't worry, he will get there. Nothing wrong with a slow build.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 13:02:52 GMT -5
Not everyone can be a top guy right now. Bryan, Ziggler, Rollins, and yes even Reigns have more going for them at the moment. He will get there. Calm down.
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Post by jacktunney on Feb 8, 2015 13:28:30 GMT -5
He's in a lot better position long term getting a slow build than being hotshotted to the title. That is pretty much a death sentence if your name is not Brock.
Also it's clear that the wwe is behind Ambrose more than they ever have been Ziggler or Rhodes, as they should be.
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Post by v/\v on Feb 8, 2015 13:48:36 GMT -5
Do I think Reigns vs Rollins vs Ambrose at Wrestlemania for the WWE Title is a sexy idea after their break up last year,  YEAH! Do i think Ambrose vs Barrett in a match at Fast-Lane then at Mania with added stips for the IC Title is a sexy idea, dunnundunnun dununun dunnundunnun dununun BOOM.....Yes I do, both are high class ring workers and the matches I hope were to get from this feud are going to be compulsive viewing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 14:02:56 GMT -5
Like Dolph Ziggler I don't see Dean ever being WWE World Heavyweight Champion but IC champion is the second best thing.With Dean Ambrose,BNB,Luke Harper,Dolph Ziggler,Rusev,The Miz,Damien Sandow,Ryback and Eric Rowan WWE could have a great Mid Card division with just those guys alone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 14:08:04 GMT -5
Like Dolph Ziggler I don't see Dean ever being WWE World Heavyweight Champion but IC champion is the second best thing.With Dean Ambrose,BNB,Luke Harper,Dolph Ziggler,Rusev,The Miz,Damien Sandow,Ryback and Eric Rowan WWE could have a great Mid Card division with just those guys alone. I could see him being a Jericho type. Upper mid card who puts on solid matches and gets an occasional title reign. One thing I'm looking forward to is a heel turn. Ambrose was an incredible heel on the Indies. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 14:51:33 GMT -5
Like Dolph Ziggler I don't see Dean ever being WWE World Heavyweight Champion but IC champion is the second best thing.With Dean Ambrose,BNB,Luke Harper,Dolph Ziggler,Rusev,The Miz,Damien Sandow,Ryback and Eric Rowan WWE could have a great Mid Card division with just those guys alone. I could see him being a Jericho type. Upper mid card who puts on solid matches and gets an occasional title reign. One thing I'm looking forward to is a heel turn. Ambrose was an incredible heel on the Indies. I'm not too familiar with him as a heel besides the shield stuff so I'm looking forward too it when it does happen. |
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Post by Himmy! on Feb 8, 2015 15:05:48 GMT -5
I think he will be fine in the long run. I hope so at least.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 15:06:28 GMT -5
I could see him being a Jericho type. Upper mid card who puts on solid matches and gets an occasional title reign. One thing I'm looking forward to is a heel turn. Ambrose was an incredible heel on the Indies. I'm not too familiar with him as a heel besides the shield stuff so I'm looking forward too it when it does happen. I'm on my phone so I can't link it, but check out his promo on Bryan Danielson. Great promo. |
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Post by Robert69 on Feb 8, 2015 17:02:47 GMT -5
I think the issue is less with Dean Ambrose, more with the title needing to be established as the B Title. There's nothing wrong with the B Title. It's prestigious; but that prestige needs to return to the title.
I think Ambrose could do that. Back to a time of future WWE Champs holding the Title.
Not passing it around like a drunk girl at a dbag frat party.
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Post by Chip on Feb 8, 2015 17:07:25 GMT -5
I'm starting to just think Ambrose is always gonna be there.
I mean people have been bitching about Ziggler deserving more for about 5 years now. And he's still there, people still love him and he's at least getting the job done win or lose.
I feel like Ambrose is gonna be the same.
Even though Ambrose has the talent to be THE MAN, this company will never let that happen
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