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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 19:25:09 GMT -5
Didnt see it that way at all. I saw it as Heyman overpraising him to show how ridiculous Reigns is. Kinda like Antony's "Brutus is an honorable man" speech from Julius Caesar. Yeah Thats what I saw too.It was like heyman trolling everyone and when you saw romans face he kinda knew he wasnt being serious.Although I don't think that promo was needed all they really had to do was just show that first promo they did when they first met each other for the first time. |
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Post by Robert69 on Feb 24, 2015 22:30:12 GMT -5
Match at Fast Lane? Awesome. Exactly what he needed. Bryan on RAW? Fine. Acceptable enough for Bryan to be like "You won, bro." Heyman? -- Set Reigns back to before the match. Letting Reigns talk so much? Set him two steps back. I'm incredibly disappointed with what they did with him, last night. I appreciate that a Roman Reigns can look at last night and agree that it wasn't a good move. Thank you for being logical instead of responding with the typical things we've come to see from some people. I salute you. My BIGGEST issue with Reigns (Or how he's HANDLED, rather) is that, the character he SHOULD be doesn't NEED to talk. Period. I understand what he was trying to say last night, but the reason they're all missing that he misses the point isn't that he can't talk, or couldn't possibly deliver a good promo -- he just doesn't need too. Reigns: So Lesnar isn't actually here? Paul: No, sir, he is not. Reigns: Then I'll say this to you... And just lay him out. Paul can take a small bump. He gets the fan love for shutting Heyman up. He's no worse for the wear, after Fast Lane. He got the verbal rub from Bryan. It's a 'win' across the board. Why make him a trash talker? He's not The Rock. He's never going to be The Rock. He's the dude that punches you in the mouth, and dares you to come back for a second. Why can't they just embrace that character? It didn't help that Heyman was NOT on his game last night, either. I'm not sure what was up with Paul, but Christ. He couldn't seem to make up his mind whether he wanted to give Roman the rub, or verbally bury him ten feet under. It was so weird. The entire thing was just -- weird. And really unneeded. You can't take a guy that people are already on the fence on, and put him in a no win situation, and expect magic to happen. He's not as endearing as Austin, or The Rock, in that way. The only way he's GOING to be, is if he's that 'throw down first, ask questions later' dude. Like he laid out Miz a few weeks back. THAT is how a character carries himself that I believe Brock Lesnar, as he runs through WWE now, could possibly lose too. Not whatever they tried to make Roman last night. |
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Feb 24, 2015 22:53:30 GMT -5
That was literally the only bad promo Heyman has had since returning in 2012 a.d it was 100% not his fault.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 23:12:07 GMT -5
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Feb 24, 2015 23:12:47 GMT -5
Paul Heyman is a salesman and a liar. I don't see why anyone is upset that he went so over the top. He was flattering Reigns in order to set up that his client will beat him.
To be fair, I think he over did it (even Paul doesn't hit a home rum every time), but I still think he achieved his goal well enough.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 23:19:28 GMT -5
I dunno...
I actually watched it (I missed it because of work) and...he seemed like he was being sarcastic....
I'm not sure....if not though....then yeah....
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Post by HVMMONS on Feb 24, 2015 23:21:45 GMT -5
#WfigsForCreative
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 23:22:32 GMT -5
The way you all talk about Roman Reigns can only be compared to how the Western world talks about ISIS. It's absolutely ridiculous the amount of hate you give this guy over just doing his job. Seriously...
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Post by Duck Holliday on Feb 24, 2015 23:27:40 GMT -5
I totally agree with all that @bashcrashwiley.....
The comparison was crazy and super heavy handed.
(I will say, I enjoyed the match at the end and Bryan stealing the finish and Roman smiling though.)
I still think it's funny that after Fastlane people were playing the "now he's ready" card, or basically implying that he was... I still say that if his readiness were in question a month before WM, then there is no way that man should be headlining the show/main event.. and I'm sorry, but 1 good match with one of the most talented wrestlers around doesn't prove a ton to me. You've got to string several in a row before you prove to me that you can reliably put on great matches, and he just hasn't done that yet.
That said, I do believe there is a big upside to him, and he's still capable of putting on a good match with Brock. He's notably improved on the mic and somewhat in the ring.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 23:29:20 GMT -5
I dunno...maybe Paul was off but I felt sarcasm in Paul's voice.
He was basically saying "Yeah, you're great. Your really good. But you're not Brock Lesnar good. And you never will be. No matter who you beat."
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Post by Robert69 on Feb 24, 2015 23:30:17 GMT -5
I actually did apply for a writing job with them, so...yeah, there's that. Still under review. Patiently waiting, and what not. |
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Post by Robert69 on Feb 24, 2015 23:31:17 GMT -5
I dunno...maybe Paul was off but I felt sarcasm in Paul's voice. He was basically saying "Yeah, you're great. Your really good. But you're not Brock Lesnar good. And you never will be. No matter who you beat." That was definitely what I was getting from him too, but just the overall presentation of it. I'm just not sure. It wasn't his best. I took him as being sarcastic, and mocking. It just wasn't his best delivery. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 23:34:55 GMT -5
I dunno...maybe Paul was off but I felt sarcasm in Paul's voice. He was basically saying "Yeah, you're great. Your really good. But you're not Brock Lesnar good. And you never will be. No matter who you beat." That was definitely what I was getting from him too, but just the overall presentation of it. I'm just not sure. It wasn't his best. I took him as being sarcastic, and mocking. It just wasn't his best delivery. Same. I think that's what he was going for but it just didn't come off that way. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 24, 2015 23:35:38 GMT -5
The way you all talk about Roman Reigns can only be compared to how the Western world talks about ISIS. It's absolutely ridiculous the amount of hate you give this guy over just doing his job. Seriously... I feel like a lot of the talk in here was about how bad and cheesy the Heyman promo was. Unless it was done in a sarcastic way, it was horribly over done. It has been stated numerous times that it's nothing on Roman Reigns. Whoever was in that spot, even if it was a "darling" (the favorite phrase of the high horse folk at WF), was screwed because it came off as so forced. Daniel Bryan putting over Reigns and respecting him was perfect. The Heyman stuff didn't come off well. |
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Post by HVMMONS on Feb 24, 2015 23:36:02 GMT -5
I actually did apply for a writing job with them, so...yeah, there's that. Still under review. Patiently waiting, and what not. Don't you have to have 4 years of experience of something? A degree is probably cemented. Previous television creative, maybe? |
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Post by Robert69 on Feb 24, 2015 23:36:40 GMT -5
That was definitely what I was getting from him too, but just the overall presentation of it. I'm just not sure. It wasn't his best. I took him as being sarcastic, and mocking. It just wasn't his best delivery. Same. I think that's what he was going for but it just didn't come off that way. I still say the only way that should have ended was with Reigns punching him in the mouth. THEN it would have came off as mocking. Reigns laughing it off just added to it's awkwardness. |
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Post by Robert69 on Feb 24, 2015 23:39:32 GMT -5
I actually did apply for a writing job with them, so...yeah, there's that. Still under review. Patiently waiting, and what not. Don't you have to have 4 years of experience of something? A degree is probably cemented. Previous television creative, maybe? I believe it was preferred 5 years of film/tv experience. I've been working in film for over a decade. Two of my 3 Features thus far have Int'l Distribution (both of which I've written), and I have a BS in Business. I've had 5 years minimum experience in just what it takes to market to foreign countries, etc, as a lot of indie distributors care far more for what sells in Germany, the Middle East, and Asia, than what ever plays well here. *Edit* the only one of my films that doesn't have distro yet is the one I have the trailer for in my sig. And that's just because it's still being worked on. I've spanned a lot of the genres WWE looks for, too. Drama, action, and comedy, namely. |
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Post by Duck Holliday on Feb 24, 2015 23:40:33 GMT -5
I dunno...maybe Paul was off but I felt sarcasm in Paul's voice. He was basically saying "Yeah, you're great. Your really good. But you're not Brock Lesnar good. And you never will be. No matter who you beat."He did say that, but the comparison's felt genuine to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 23:41:17 GMT -5
Same. I think that's what he was going for but it just didn't come off that way. I still say the only way that should have ended was with Reigns punching him in the mouth. THEN it would have came off as mocking. Reigns laughing it off just added to it's awkwardness. Exactly. Maybe Lesnar was supposed to be out there and they had to wing it? That is if Lesnar actually "walked out" like we're getting reports of. |
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Post by HVMMONS on Feb 24, 2015 23:43:54 GMT -5
Don't you have to have 4 years of experience of something? A degree is probably cemented. Previous television creative, maybe? I believe it was preferred 5 years of film/tv experience. I've been working in film for over a decade. Two of my 3 Features thus far have Int'l Distribution (both of which I've written), and I have a BS in Business. I've had 5 years minimum experience in just what it takes to market to foreign countries, etc, as a lot of indie distributors care far more for what sells in Germany, the Middle East, and Asia, than what ever plays well here. *Edit* the only one of my films that doesn't have distro yet is the one I have the trailer for in my sig. And that's just because it's still being worked on. I've spanned a lot of the genres WWE looks for, too. Drama, action, and comedy, namely. Sounds like a nice little resume! Make Wfigs proud!! Good luck. |
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