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Post by #DI-WHY? on Nov 24, 2015 18:20:28 GMT -5
The first hour drew numbers probably because the people wanted to see Sheamus. After it was announced Sheamus wouldn't be fighting, people probably turned off. Yet despite this incredibly obvious observation, people will blame his title run.. even though ratings have been decreasing for a long time now due to a multitude of factors completely unrelated to him. I'm sorry, but no. Just no.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 18:23:23 GMT -5
Fantastic to hear...I like hearing stuff like this.
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Post by Weemanv1 on Nov 24, 2015 18:24:49 GMT -5
Not too surprised. The first hour was definitely the best part; especially that opening segment and the third hour was the worst.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 18:27:43 GMT -5
Doesn't surprised me, they haven't been able to create household name stars since the attitude era, other than john cena that is
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Nov 24, 2015 18:31:58 GMT -5
Final RAW rating: 2.16 And I'm just gonna leave this here: >Raw 11/23/2015 - Averaged 2.964 million viewers >Impact 1/4/2010 - Averaged 2.200 million viewers >The show did 2.95 million viewers, more than 200,000 viewers lower than what had previously been the non-holiday low dating back to 1997 when Raw was losing badly to WCW Monday Nitro. >"A disaster" - Dave Meltzer That isn't a fair comparison what so ever. That was Impact's highest rating and RAW's lowest, meaning there is no correlation.
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Post by iamkrang on Nov 24, 2015 18:37:59 GMT -5
The Patriots vs Bills game was on last night. It was a big game. Not too surprising.
Expect ratings to jump next week; Ravens vs Browns. Lol.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Nov 24, 2015 18:39:10 GMT -5
The first hour drew numbers probably because the people wanted to see Sheamus. After it was announced Sheamus wouldn't be fighting, people probably turned off. Yet despite this incredibly obvious observation, people will blame his title run.. even though ratings have been decreasing for a long time now due to a multitude of factors completely unrelated to him. Is it directly Sheamus's fault? No, but him winning the title after being a glorified jobber since Extreme Rules, WWE having no marketable stars, and a crap creative direction is where the fault lies. Sheamus has sucked something major since late 2012. He is essentially an ADR that can't wrestle half as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 18:50:21 GMT -5
RAW is unwatchable the whole 3 hours and I love wrestling. They need to make changes. less comedy. more story lines. switching to 2 hours would help but i know never will happen because of marketing $.
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Post by RV F'N D on Nov 24, 2015 18:59:53 GMT -5
The show is bad, and has been for quite some time. I can easily turn Raw off after the first hour, and go to bed without feeling like I'm going to miss anything, and most of the time I'm right. The ratings will need to get really bad before we see any real change, and I look forward to that day. I don't think Vince is going away any time soon, but we've all seen what he is capable of doing when he's desperate.
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Post by Rob on Nov 24, 2015 19:00:01 GMT -5
They deserve every ing bit of that. They have put in ZERO effort to get fans to watch so why should fans have to put effort into sitting through their crap?
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Post by The IT Factor on Nov 24, 2015 19:09:00 GMT -5
Final RAW rating: 2.16 And I'm just gonna leave this here: >Raw 11/23/2015 - Averaged 2.964 million viewers >Impact 1/4/2010 - Averaged 2.200 million viewers >The show did 2.95 million viewers, more than 200,000 viewers lower than what had previously been the non-holiday low dating back to 1997 when Raw was losing badly to WCW Monday Nitro. >"A disaster" - Dave Meltzer That isn't a fair comparison what so ever. That was Impact's highest rating and RAW's lowest, meaning there is no correlation. True, but I'm not the only one who brought this point up, and the fact that there are people who are bringing it up, is pretty telling of how bad the ratings are getting. Just sayin.'
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Post by J12 on Nov 24, 2015 19:20:33 GMT -5
WWE would love it if everyone would believe this had anything to do with Monday Night Football. But we don't, because it's not true. History has shown that the quality of the game isn't a huge swaying factor in relation to Raw ratings. They're just hemorrhaging viewers, regardless of what teams they're matched up against. Using football as an excuse for the abysmal decline is a total cop-out, but it's exactly what WWE is going to do, because Vince McMahon is a clueless coward who has entirely lost sight of how to run a wrestling promotion. That isn't really up for debate anymore. The lack of change in correlation with the ratings prove it. The appropriate course of action is not to weather the storm. They've tried that, and it failed.
People don't like the product. Period. They're driving away casual viewers. They're driving away die-hards. They're becoming less desirable to advertisers by the second. Dipping below 2.5 should have been enough to make wholesale changes. This rating should be enough to fundamentally change every facet of how they produce television. It's alarming. It's flat out embarrassing, and it's a horrible sign for the future of professional wrestling as a viable money-making form of entertainment. Every time these reports come in, we say "this must be the new water level", but it isn't. It gets worse.
What is going to take for investors to step in and demand changes? And at that point, what is the likelihood that Vince McMahon has the mental capacity to realize that the changes need to start with him?
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Post by Chip on Nov 24, 2015 19:23:15 GMT -5
clearly WWE knows what the fans want and the fans dont know what they want, right vince?
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Post by Suckasays on Nov 24, 2015 19:24:10 GMT -5
Everyone basically drew up these big Survivor Series outcomes in their heads. Visions of swerves and heel turns danced in their heads. What we got was the cookie cutter safe route and, as WWE refuses to accept, absolutely nobody cares about babyface Roman Reigns and his title chase. So naturally, less tuned in.
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Post by kimberlasskick on Nov 24, 2015 19:28:14 GMT -5
WWE would love it if everyone would believe this had anything to do with Monday Night Football. But we don't, because it's not true. History has shown that the quality of the game isn't a huge swaying factor in relation to Raw ratings. They're just hemorrhaging viewers, regardless of what teams they're matched up against. Using football as an excuse for the abysmal decline is a total cop-out, but it's exactly what WWE is going to do, because Vince McMahon is a clueless coward who has entirely lost sight of how to run a wrestling promotion. That isn't really up for debate anymore. The lack of change in correlation with the ratings prove it. The appropriate course of action is not to weather the storm. They've tried that, and it failed. People don't like the product. Period. They're driving away casual viewers. They're driving away die-hards. They're becoming less desirable to advertisers by the second. Dipping below 2.5 should have been enough to make wholesale changes. This rating should be enough to fundamentally change every facet of how they produce television. It's alarming. It's flat out embarrassing, and it's a horrible sign for the future of professional wrestling as a viable money-making form of entertainment. Every time these reports come in, we say "this must be the new water level", but it isn't. It gets worse. What is going to take for investors to step in and demand changes? And at that point, what is the likelihood that Vince McMahon has the mental capacity to realize that the changes need to start with him? To say football has NOTHING to do with it is ludicrous.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 24, 2015 19:32:11 GMT -5
I remember the night after Survivor Series 98 so well. Austin came out and demanded a WWE Title shot with The Rock and he got it that night on Raw for the main event.
Why couldn't Roman Reigns get a rematch last night against Sheamus?? It's like the WWE forgets what brought in ratings to their show. Or maybe they just feel since they are the only wrestling program on a Monday night, that they can give us whatever they want and we will gladly take it.
I feel that I could put in any Raw from the past three years and the same format and lay out will be on each Raw. Nothing ever changes. The last real shocking thing for a Raw show was Seth Rollins heel turn in June of 2014. Since then, everything has been just a format that the WWE chooses to do each week.
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Post by J12 on Nov 24, 2015 19:34:29 GMT -5
WWE would love it if everyone would believe this had anything to do with Monday Night Football. But we don't, because it's not true. History has shown that the quality of the game isn't a huge swaying factor in relation to Raw ratings. They're just hemorrhaging viewers, regardless of what teams they're matched up against. Using football as an excuse for the abysmal decline is a total cop-out, but it's exactly what WWE is going to do, because Vince McMahon is a clueless coward who has entirely lost sight of how to run a wrestling promotion. That isn't really up for debate anymore. The lack of change in correlation with the ratings prove it. The appropriate course of action is not to weather the storm. They've tried that, and it failed. People don't like the product. Period. They're driving away casual viewers. They're driving away die-hards. They're becoming less desirable to advertisers by the second. Dipping below 2.5 should have been enough to make wholesale changes. This rating should be enough to fundamentally change every facet of how they produce television. It's alarming. It's flat out embarrassing, and it's a horrible sign for the future of professional wrestling as a viable money-making form of entertainment. Every time these reports come in, we say "this must be the new water level", but it isn't. It gets worse. What is going to take for investors to step in and demand changes? And at that point, what is the likelihood that Vince McMahon has the mental capacity to realize that the changes need to start with him? To say football has NOTHING to do with it is ludicrous. I'm speaking specifically in relation to recent ratings. Monday Night Football most certainly draws away a portion of Raw's audience, but it's also safe to assume that there's a baseline number of people WWE can expect to lose on a weekly basis during football season. That number probably has its own ebbs and flows throughout the course of the season given the quality of the game, but it's going to be a pretty consistent margin. Monday Night Football's own numbers will back that up, with just the occasional outlier. WWE is losing viewers FAR beyond that baseline number. For simplicity sake, let's say WWE's baseline is 3.0 when football isn't on. Now let's say that baseline drops to a 2.6 during football season. When Raw then drops to a 2.1, I don't think it's fair to insinuate that anything more than a negligible amount of the half a point they lost can be attributed to football, because we're already accounting for those people. We have to assume that football's popularity has stayed consistent with the last few years, and Raw's ratings never approached anything close to this low.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 24, 2015 19:35:42 GMT -5
I remember the night after Survivor Series 98 so well. Austin came out and demanded a WWE Title shot with The Rock and he got it that night on Raw for the main event. Why couldn't Roman Reigns get a rematch last night against Sheamus?? It's like the WWE forgets what brought in ratings to their show. Or maybe they just feel since they are the only wrestling program on a Monday night, that they can give us whatever they want and we will gladly take it. I feel that I could put in any Raw from the past three years and the same format and lay out will be on each Raw. Nothing ever changes. The last real shocking thing for a Raw show was Seth Rollins heel turn in June of 2014. Since then, everything has been just a format that the WWE chooses to do each week. You hit the nail on the head. They are the only game in town so they feel like they don't have to try. The format for Raw is SO tired. Long winded opening promo (usually Authority) Match involving higher profile stars Segment that doesn't matter Divas match Another lame promo Midcard rematch #1 Six man tag Divas Match Some dumb comedy moment Midcard rematch #2 Main event that ultimately, doesn't mean much Something like that. The best Raws in recent memory deviated from that somewhat.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Nov 24, 2015 20:10:37 GMT -5
That's what happens when your world champion is Sheamus. Hope the low ratings keep up and the WWE realise this his reign needs to end.
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Post by Rob on Nov 24, 2015 20:28:08 GMT -5
I remember the night after Survivor Series 98 so well. Austin came out and demanded a WWE Title shot with The Rock and he got it that night on Raw for the main event. Why couldn't Roman Reigns get a rematch last night against Sheamus?? It's like the WWE forgets what brought in ratings to their show. Or maybe they just feel since they are the only wrestling program on a Monday night, that they can give us whatever they want and we will gladly take it. I feel that I could put in any Raw from the past three years and the same format and lay out will be on each Raw. Nothing ever changes. The last real shocking thing for a Raw show was Seth Rollins heel turn in June of 2014. Since then, everything has been just a format that the WWE chooses to do each week. Because back then, WWE has enough material and stars to do that. WWE in the late 90s/early 00's gave away WM main event quality matches away on free tv without hesitation. If they had Sheamus/Reigns last night on Raw, What could possibly main event TLC? Nothing. Thats how thin and pathetic the current roster is.
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