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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 20:32:03 GMT -5
I can't say I'm surprised, this week completely sucked. Much like best team in the Prem Chelsea they may as well wait until next year. That...Jesus. The show sucked so the rating sucked. Not sure you understand how things work. And then you go and say that second thing...
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Post by attitudesback on Nov 24, 2015 20:33:20 GMT -5
I said it when Sheamus won the title. NO ONE (apart from gimmick posters) wants to see this ing garbage. Sheamus winning the title to be a punching bag to the golden boy Reigns is the worst possible avenue WWE could've gone down. It was stupidly obvious and you just can't enjoy that. Dropping below 3 million isn't surprising. The show is absolutely garbage. Good luck selling 100k tickets for Mania.
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Post by knupmc on Nov 24, 2015 21:01:14 GMT -5
Raw was ok. If you missed it, it's not like you missed much. Yea I got boring at points, but I'm hoping they realize with the decline in ratings, they have to do something.*cough* sign Hardy's *cough*
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Post by Weemanv1 on Nov 24, 2015 21:13:32 GMT -5
I said it when Sheamus won the title. NO ONE (apart from gimmick posters) wants to see this ing garbage. Sheamus winning the title to be a punching bag to the golden boy Reigns is the worst possible avenue WWE could've gone down. It was stupidly obvious and you just can't enjoy that. Dropping below 3 million isn't surprising. The show is absolutely garbage. Good luck selling 100k tickets for Mania. I want to see Sheamus as champion. Does that make me a gimmick poster? If so, please explain how.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 21:28:59 GMT -5
Well yeah, when no one matters on your roster, the belt is a toy, and the writing staff can only focus on three guys at once, what do you expect? Watching Raw hasn't not seemed like a bad idea the past year and it's continuing.
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Post by Liv Is Life on Nov 24, 2015 21:36:46 GMT -5
What, a Raw that treated us to a segment of the year quality video in "JBL Torito" didn't get record breaking numbers? Shocking...ahem. WWE is literally at the bottom of the barrel anymore, I go weeks (or months) without tuning in, and I've literally not missed a thing. Are the matches good? More often than not anymore, yes, but what reason do I or anyone else have for giving even the smallest amount of damn about them? If I miss it on one show, I'll see a rematch 2-5 times over the coming weeks and it will be an almost exact carbon copy of the last. Never in my life have I seen a company continually deny its paying customers the payoffs and such they are obviously begging for and instead continue to push their "chosen ones" be damned. I actually enjoy Reigns, I think he will be THE guy for a long while, but he is not connecting with the majority of fans right now. I don't even know where to begin with Sheamus either, history has proven this will not benefit anyone in the long run.
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Post by attitudesback on Nov 24, 2015 21:51:39 GMT -5
I said it when Sheamus won the title. NO ONE (apart from gimmick posters) wants to see this ing garbage. Sheamus winning the title to be a punching bag to the golden boy Reigns is the worst possible avenue WWE could've gone down. It was stupidly obvious and you just can't enjoy that. Dropping below 3 million isn't surprising. The show is absolutely garbage. Good luck selling 100k tickets for Mania. I want to see Sheamus as champion. Does that make me a gimmick poster? If so, please explain how. You're a vast, vast minority. Most people around here are blatantly gimmick posters and to most of us, putting Sheamus as champion was an absolutely dreadful move.
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Post by TheLastDude on Nov 24, 2015 22:09:36 GMT -5
The first hour drew numbers probably because the people wanted to see Sheamus. After it was announced Sheamus wouldn't be fighting, people probably turned off. Yet despite this incredibly obvious observation, people will blame his title run.. even though ratings have been decreasing for a long time now due to a multitude of factors completely unrelated to him. I think this may be the best use of this gif ever!
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Post by Weemanv1 on Nov 24, 2015 22:23:36 GMT -5
I want to see Sheamus as champion. Does that make me a gimmick poster? If so, please explain how. You're a vast, vast minority. Most people around here are blatantly gimmick posters and to most of us, putting Sheamus as champion was an absolutely dreadful move. I admittedly know who you're probably talking about when you say gimmick posters so I get where you're coming from. I just like what I like.
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Post by kimberlasskick on Nov 24, 2015 22:25:04 GMT -5
To say football has NOTHING to do with it is ludicrous. I'm speaking specifically in relation to recent ratings. Monday Night Football most certainly draws away a portion of Raw's audience, but it's also safe to assume that there's a baseline number of people WWE can expect to lose on a weekly basis during football season. That number probably has its own ebbs and flows throughout the course of the season given the quality of the game, but it's going to be a pretty consistent margin. Monday Night Football's own numbers will back that up, with just the occasional outlier. WWE is losing viewers FAR beyond that baseline number. For simplicity sake, let's say WWE's baseline is 3.0 when football isn't on. Now let's say that baseline drops to a 2.6 during football season. When Raw then drops to a 2.1, I don't think it's fair to insinuate that anything more than a negligible amount of the half a point they lost can be attributed to football, because we're already accounting for those people. We have to assume that football's popularity has stayed consistent with the last few years, and Raw's ratings never approached anything close to this low. not saying football is the main culprit obviously the lack of creative and lack of listening to fans is the problem.. ....BUT Last year MNF averaged 9.6 million Last 2 weeks this year 12 million 14 million So football's popular has risen due to the craze of fantasy. But that doesn't mean those 2-4 million extra how many of them would even put Raw on without football. I am just saying football is obviously a factor in this how little or small or big will be determined in January when it is over.
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Post by tripleh23 on Nov 24, 2015 22:42:59 GMT -5
This whole show needs an overhaul. I love WWE and have been watching for nearly 20 years. This is just the worst its ever been and its just sad. I know the 3 hours isn't going away but why not do something different.
From 8-9 have a pre show. Hype up Raw some big main event some big segment.
Include these online interviews on TV. The Michael Cole interviews on WWE.Com are great every week. But I don't go out of my way to watch them. Then there was the team BAD interview yesterday. These could help show off characters more too.
I'd also say redo the entire stage. All WWE shows have no identity anymore. Remember the R A W stage in the mid nineties with the large red letters, that gave the show an identity. But now Raw SD and PPV's are all the same. I'd also like to see red ropes and get rid of the ring post cameras and ring skirt minitron it just looks too over produced (thats just nitpicking stuff).
Speaking of a new stage I'd like to see an area on the stage for interviews. Give people a pre match interview on stage to help them connect with the crowd. Rene Young is great at her job so use her to her full potential.
Also just change the template for Raw. Don't start every week with a 20 minute authority promo. Maybe start a show off sometime with a match.
Speaking of the authority its time to end it. There has been an authority figure on TV for 20 years. It's played out. Just have a neutral authority figure who only shows up to settle big disputes that way their appearance feels special.
I'd also say to bring WWE into the real world. This whole WWE Universe tries to ignore the real world and everything happens at ringside. I want more back stage promos and more things occurring outside the arena help to relate the characters.
Listen to your fans (to a degree) there should be a mid ground between showcasing fan favorites and pushing who they want to.
Kevin Nash once said that the Vince told him "The difference between good and great is in the details" and those details have been lost over time.
I didn't say one bad thing about the talent on the roster, this is perhaps the most talented roster ever but everyone is so directionless. I'm not trying to bash WWE I love wrestling but their show is making me so sad recently.
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Post by TX on Nov 24, 2015 22:55:06 GMT -5
You hit the nail on the head. They are the only game in town so they feel like they don't have to try. The format for Raw is SO tired. Long winded opening promo (usually Authority) Match involving higher profile stars Segment that doesn't matter Divas match Another lame promo Midcard rematch #1 Six man tag Divas Match Some dumb comedy moment Midcard rematch #2 Main event that ultimately, doesn't mean much Something like that. The best Raws in recent memory deviated from that somewhat. I hate how accurate this is. RAW should not be that predictable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 10:02:47 GMT -5
The first hour drew numbers probably because the people wanted to see Sheamus. After it was announced Sheamus wouldn't be fighting, people probably turned off. Yet despite this incredibly obvious observation, people will blame his title run.. even though ratings have been decreasing for a long time now due to a multitude of factors completely unrelated to him. Your post makes perfect sense when you omit everything about Sheamus
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Nov 25, 2015 10:50:51 GMT -5
The first hour drew numbers probably because the people wanted to see Sheamus. After it was announced Sheamus wouldn't be fighting, people probably turned off. Yet despite this incredibly obvious observation, people will blame his title run.. even though ratings have been decreasing for a long time now due to a multitude of factors completely unrelated to him. Yeah... No. Probably not that.
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Post by J12 on Nov 25, 2015 11:14:44 GMT -5
Road Dogg towing the corporate line on Twitter and making himself out to be a fool is hysterical. "Ratings are archaic and don't matter" is one of the most asinine things I've ever heard. Television lives and dies by the ratings. Yes, WWE has tons of other revenue generators, but each and every one of them is impacted one or way or another by the number of people watching their television product.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 11:21:31 GMT -5
3 hours is just too damm mush to keep on
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Post by J12 on Nov 25, 2015 11:32:46 GMT -5
If anyone wants an idea of just how serious this is,
This week last year, Raw did a 3.06. It was up against a lesser MNF game, but the match-up (Ravens/Saints) still had playoff implications and was very close throughout. It was a far better game than the NE/Buffalo match-up from this Monday.
3.06 to a 2.16 in one year. 30% of WWE's audience has disappeared.
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Post by IRS on Nov 25, 2015 12:50:00 GMT -5
If anyone wants an idea of just how serious this is, This week last year, Raw did a 3.06. It was up against a lesser MNF game, but the match-up (Ravens/Saints) still had playoff implications and was very close throughout. It was a far better game than the NE/Buffalo match-up from this Monday. 3.06 to a 2.16 in one year. 30% of WWE's audience has disappeared. Funnily enough, it seemed like anytime you would complain about the product over the last 4-5 years, you would get a barrage of replies saying "well, why don't you just stop watching it?". Ultimately, the only way WWE can move forward at this point is to crash and burn now. Hopefully this serves as a much-needed wake-up call... and if it doesn't, well, it would be interesting to see WWE pulling the ol' TNA, and scrambling to find a new network.
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Post by deskjet on Nov 25, 2015 13:43:07 GMT -5
Love and hip hop is a horrid show. This is saying alot
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 13:51:08 GMT -5
Love and hip hop is a horrid show. This is saying alot Who even watches it? I've never once heard it brought up in conversation, and hadn't heard of it at all until I read that it consistently beats RAW.
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