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Post by boz1515 on Jan 26, 2016 7:51:33 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't he wrestle The Hurricane on "Metal" several years ago? he did but it was one match and he wasn't under contract so I wouldn't say those were his original days in wwe I hear what you are saying, but we have figures from guys who were not under contract with WWE at that time, just like nWo figures for guys like Big Show. If WWE were to acquire TNA and their video library, is there a possibility that they could produce flashback figures for these guys (in their past of course) while they are working for WWE in the future? For example, I would love to have a Jay Lethal "Macho Man" if that scenario were to ever play out.
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Post by cmiller79 on Jan 26, 2016 7:55:53 GMT -5
he did but it was one match and he wasn't under contract so I wouldn't say those were his original days in wwe I hear what you are saying, but we have figures from guys who were not under contract with WWE at that time, just like nWo figures for guys like Big Show. If WWE were to acquire TNA and their video library, is there a possibility that they could produce flashback figures for these guys (in their past of course) while they are working for WWE in the future? For example, I would love to have a Jay Lethal "Macho Man" if that scenario were to ever play out. its possible if they buy the library but tna is no wcw I really don't even think wwe would do anything with it if they did buy the library the only reason reason they would buy it is just to own more of wrestling then they already do
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Post by boz1515 on Jan 26, 2016 8:05:17 GMT -5
I hear what you are saying, but we have figures from guys who were not under contract with WWE at that time, just like nWo figures for guys like Big Show. If WWE were to acquire TNA and their video library, is there a possibility that they could produce flashback figures for these guys (in their past of course) while they are working for WWE in the future? For example, I would love to have a Jay Lethal "Macho Man" if that scenario were to ever play out. its possible if they buy the library but tna is no wcw I really don't even think wwe would do anything with it if they did buy the library the only reason reason they would buy it is just to own more of wrestling then they already do You are probably right, as they don't appear to think much of TNA, but there could be money to be made there. Especially for guys over there who will one day work for WWE. After all, both crowds (Royal Rumble & Raw) clearly know who A.J. Styles is coming in. If someone were to get to the top of the card and the scenario plays itself out right, I could see that happening. Honestly, how many people on this board would buy a RSC exclusive A.J. Styles throwback from his TNA day 10 years from now? IF Styles were to go to the top of a card, be involved in a Wrestlemania main event or two, etc......
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Post by maske2g on Jan 26, 2016 8:05:57 GMT -5
When will everyone realise that mat skills are about the 4th most important thing in the recipe for success.
He will never be a Punk, and a lot older than Punk was too.
Great to watch in ring. No Charisma, no mic skills, and will very likely be killed with storylines like everyone else. So there are 3 most important factors out the door straight away.
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Post by maske2g on Jan 26, 2016 8:07:22 GMT -5
No way and no matter how much you want to defend it this doesn't belong here he has had 2 matches in wwe since he signed....so he doesn't have a "classic" look That's not the best logic dude. I don't remember the Great American Bash 90 being a WWE event. But we are getting Sting.
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Post by boz1515 on Jan 26, 2016 8:11:06 GMT -5
When will everyone realise that mat skills are about the 4th most important thing in the recipe for success. Great to watch in ring. No Charisma, no mic skills, and will very likely be killed with storylines like everyone else. So there are 3 most important factors out the door straight away. I hear what you are saying, but do (or did) these guys have great mic skills? Roman Reigns Bautista Chris Benoit Rey Mysterio All of these guys made it to the top of the card. All of these guys (outside of Benoit) have many figures. All are (again, except Benoit) potential HOFer's somehow.
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Post by cmiller79 on Jan 26, 2016 8:12:37 GMT -5
No way and no matter how much you want to defend it this doesn't belong here he has had 2 matches in wwe since he signed....so he doesn't have a "classic" look That's not the best logic dude. I don't remember the Great American Bash 90 being a WWE event. But we are getting Sting. exactly so you couldnt classify it as being a classic wwe sting look Just like I said in a post after the one you quoted aj styles "classic" wwe look is what he wore at the rumble and on raw
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Post by 'Exotic' Adrian Street on Jan 26, 2016 8:23:03 GMT -5
When will everyone realise that mat skills are about the 4th most important thing in the recipe for success. Great to watch in ring. No Charisma, no mic skills, and will very likely be killed with storylines like everyone else. So there are 3 most important factors out the door straight away. I hear what you are saying, but do (or did) these guys have great mic skills? Roman Reigns Bautista Chris Benoit Rey Mysterio All of these guys made it to the top of the card. All of these guys (outside of Benoit) have many figures. All are (again, except Benoit) potential HOFer's somehow. Roman has the look - if they weren't mega pushing him EVERYONE would love him. Looks like a badass Batista has the look - physical specimen that didn't have to put on 5 star matches Rey was a masked luchador that could sell 10 million masks and kids loved him. (And AJ Styles isn't what Rey was at that time) Benoit - haven't got an argument there
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 8:29:34 GMT -5
I much prefer styles' current look to his main short hair, short tights TNA look, much more interesting now.
He can go far, if Roman can be champ with his mic skills and wrestling ability then aj - by that logic - has no limits.
He won't go as far as punk did as time isn't on his side but he can still do a lot in his time with wwe to be memorable.
As for figures, I can't wait for his current attire in elite form plus I hope he goes for the white tights soon as well. Any mixture of blue, black, white & red will do me.
Also, why do I get the impression that a feeling of 'we now don't like AJ, he is overrated' hive mind mentality is slowly approaching?
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Post by ddubs on Jan 26, 2016 8:39:14 GMT -5
No chance for 2 simple reasons: - AJ is in his late 30s whereas Punk was about 32 when he really broke through so won't ever get the time at the top - AJ doesn't have the mic skills that Punk does, both great in ring but Punk was the total package
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Post by boz1515 on Jan 26, 2016 8:40:20 GMT -5
I hear what you are saying, but do (or did) these guys have great mic skills? Roman Reigns Bautista Chris Benoit Rey Mysterio All of these guys made it to the top of the card. All of these guys (outside of Benoit) have many figures. All are (again, except Benoit) potential HOFer's somehow. Roman has the look - if they weren't mega pushing him EVERYONE would love him. Looks like a badass Batista has the look - physical specimen that didn't have to put on 5 star matches Rey was a masked luchador that could sell 10 million masks and kids loved him. (And AJ Styles isn't what Rey was at that time) Benoit - haven't got an argument there I cannot argue with your explanations for Reigns, Bautista, and Rey. But, given the logic that was presented, A.J. could be successful using the "Benoit" approach or maybe something else, as long as his age or injuries don't come into play, and if WWE provides him with the proper platform. With that being said, I could totally see Styles getting a "classic" figure (classic: figure from his career before now) from his past given the right circumstances.
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Post by boz1515 on Jan 26, 2016 8:49:02 GMT -5
No chance for 2 simple reasons: - AJ is in his late 30s whereas Punk was about 32 when he really broke through so won't ever get the time at the top - AJ doesn't have the mic skills that Punk does, both great in ring but Punk was the total package I see your point, Styles' age is working against him, but in the current WWE, haven't we seen other superstars make it to the top in about a year before (provided a good booking strategy)? If Styles were to be used properly, (they don't wear him out on the road) could he not get there? As previously addressed, we have seen other guys make it to the top without fantastic mic skills. I feel like he has a bit of a head start with the reaction he received coming in if they capitalize on it. As mentioned previously, Styles has worked in several places with short hair/ a different look. Perhaps if WWE provides him the opportunity and he gets big enough maybe we could see something else figure-wise down the road.
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Post by maske2g on Jan 26, 2016 8:59:02 GMT -5
I hear what you are saying, but do (or did) these guys have great mic skills? Roman Reigns Bautista Chris Benoit Rey Mysterio All of these guys made it to the top of the card. All of these guys (outside of Benoit) have many figures. All are (again, except Benoit) potential HOFer's somehow. Roman has the look - if they weren't mega pushing him EVERYONE would love him. Looks like a badass Batista has the look - physical specimen that didn't have to put on 5 star matches Rey was a masked luchador that could sell 10 million masks and kids loved him. (And AJ Styles isn't what Rey was at that time) Benoit - haven't got an argument there Exactly what I would have said. And with regards to Benoit, he was never WWE champion, and mainly a mid carder in WWE. Tremendous wrestler that the masses didn't care much for. As much as like to think they are, internet fans are not the masses.
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Post by boz1515 on Jan 26, 2016 9:07:33 GMT -5
Roman has the look - if they weren't mega pushing him EVERYONE would love him. Looks like a badass Batista has the look - physical specimen that didn't have to put on 5 star matches Rey was a masked luchador that could sell 10 million masks and kids loved him. (And AJ Styles isn't what Rey was at that time) Benoit - haven't got an argument there Exactly what I would have said. And with regards to Benoit, he was never WWE champion, and mainly a mid carder in WWE. Tremendous wrestler that the masses didn't care much for. As much as like to think they are, internet fans are not the masses. I hear you on the differences between the internet wrestling community and wrestling fans as a whole, but I am pretty sure Benoit main evented Wrestlemania 20 and won the World Title (pretty significant at the time). Had he not done what he did, I think Benoit would have been a HOF candidate and had an extensive line of figures. In my opinion, he had no mic skills whatsoever.
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Post by bigbalooka on Jan 26, 2016 9:41:22 GMT -5
wwe put an article up saying aj is one of the best in the world. he had a good showing in the rumble and the announcers put him over like crazy. I think wwe are going to put him in a pretty high position as "that guy the smarks like" (punk, rollins, bryan etc.), to get us off there back. also they haven't made a generic them for him. they've bought the rights to a dmx song. cant see them doing that for someone they don't plan to push.
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Post by boz1515 on Jan 26, 2016 9:46:00 GMT -5
wwe put an article up saying aj is one of the best in the world. he had a good showing in the rumble and the announcers put him over like crazy. I think wwe are going to put him in a pretty high position as "that guy the smarks like" (punk, rollins, bryan etc.), to get us off there back. a lso they haven't made a generic them for him. they've bought the rights to a dmx song. cant see them doing that for someone they don't plan to push. Great point. Didn't they do the same thing for CM Punk with the "Cult of Personality" song? We have a whole bunch of CM Punk figures, maybe this will be a legit push and we will get a decent selection of A.J. Styles figures as time passes.
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Post by 'Exotic' Adrian Street on Jan 26, 2016 9:50:10 GMT -5
wwe put an article up saying aj is one of the best in the world. he had a good showing in the rumble and the announcers put him over like crazy. I think wwe are going to put him in a pretty high position as "that guy the smarks like" (punk, rollins, bryan etc.), to get us off there back. a lso they haven't made a generic them for him. they've bought the rights to a dmx song. cant see them doing that for someone they don't plan to push. Great point. Didn't they do the same thing for CM Punk with the "Cult of Personality" song? We have a whole bunch of CM Punk figures, maybe this will be a legit push and we will get a decent selection of A.J. Styles figures as time passes. I am not a huge AJ fan, as I don't watch or care for much wrestling outside of WWE, but I can appreciate him and kind of keep up with what's going on in at least the other North American promotions. I will buy every Elite they ever make of him, but what sucks is we won't get the first Elite of him until mid 2017. That's still a long time away
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Post by bigbalooka on Jan 26, 2016 10:13:59 GMT -5
wwe put an article up saying aj is one of the best in the world. he had a good showing in the rumble and the announcers put him over like crazy. I think wwe are going to put him in a pretty high position as "that guy the smarks like" (punk, rollins, bryan etc.), to get us off there back. a lso they haven't made a generic them for him. they've bought the rights to a dmx song. cant see them doing that for someone they don't plan to push. Great point. Didn't they do the same thing for CM Punk with the "Cult of Personality" song? We have a whole bunch of CM Punk figures, maybe this will be a legit push and we will get a decent selection of A.J. Styles figures as time passes. the situation with punk was slightly different, he only got that after he re negotiated his contract and that was a clause in it as he used that song on the indies.
as for everyone saying he will be as big as punk because of age, (not addressing the mic skills here, although I don't think aj is as bad as people are making out) it looks like hes basically gonna skip the whole toiling mid carder phase that punk had from ecw up until basically the whole money in the bank thing, where they didn't really know what to do with him. with aj I think they know what they have and might have a better idea of how to use it this time around.
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Post by Cons on Jan 26, 2016 10:14:24 GMT -5
Exactly what I would have said. And with regards to Benoit, he was never WWE champion, and mainly a mid carder in WWE. Tremendous wrestler that the masses didn't care much for. As much as like to think they are, internet fans are not the masses. I hear you on the differences between the internet wrestling community and wrestling fans as a whole, but I am pretty sure Benoit main evented Wrestlemania 20 and won the World Title (pretty significant at the time). Had he not done what he did, I think Benoit would have been a HOF candidate and had an extensive line of figures. In my opinion, he had no mic skills whatsoever. Daniel Bryan.. Cmon. Great wrestler with ok mic skills and personality. The fans pushed him to the top.
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Post by maske2g on Jan 26, 2016 12:44:10 GMT -5
I hear you on the differences between the internet wrestling community and wrestling fans as a whole, but I am pretty sure Benoit main evented Wrestlemania 20 and won the World Title (pretty significant at the time). Had he not done what he did, I think Benoit would have been a HOF candidate and had an extensive line of figures. In my opinion, he had no mic skills whatsoever. Daniel Bryan.. Cmon. Great wrestler with ok mic skills and personality. The fans pushed him to the top. Charisma goes a long way. You felt that he was loving every minute of it, so you loved it too, and he grew with the crowd you are right there.,
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