StylesP1
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Post by StylesP1 on May 14, 2017 3:19:23 GMT -5
Hahaha that's actually funny. It'll be a sad day when the likes of Cena and Orton are gone and we're just stuck with hundereds of characterless gymnasts.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 3:52:37 GMT -5
Why does it matter? You know how much  ing pro wrestling is out there? I'll never get why people bitch so much about what happens on the indies. Don't like it? Go find wrestling you do like. The options are endless. It's just like people bitching about Joey Ryan's dickflip being unrealistic, in a business in which for 27 a demonic zombie was a huge star. It's wrestling people. There are many flavors. If you don't like some, find some you like. Instead of constantly complaining. |
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on May 14, 2017 6:16:20 GMT -5
Never seen a match that follows that formula but causes the fans to vocally become negative.
Cant say the same for every Orton match.
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Post by Manning Of Steel on May 14, 2017 6:38:46 GMT -5
I loved Indy Wrestling 10 years ago. But it does kinda suck nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 6:47:45 GMT -5
Some of these reactions are priceless.
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crashholly2002
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Post by crashholly2002 on May 14, 2017 7:33:09 GMT -5
Hahaha that's actually funny. It'll be a sad day when the likes of Cena and Orton are gone and we're just stuck with hundereds of characterless gymnasts. he said with a characterless gymnast as his avatar  |
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Post by cordless2016 on May 14, 2017 8:12:40 GMT -5
The art of telling a story in the ring has been lost. Most matches today, whether in the indys or WWE, are either finisher-fests or one big spot to another with no selling.
That's why i don't get why a guy like Dean Ambrose gets ragged on by the IWC. To me, his matches with AJ blew the ones AJ had with Cena out of the water simply because it wasn't a finisher fest. They told a story instead of one big move to another.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on May 14, 2017 8:18:34 GMT -5
The art of telling a story in the ring has been lost. Most matches today, whether in the indys or WWE, are either finisher-fests or one big spot to another with no selling. That's why i don't get why a guy like Dean Ambrose gets ragged on by the IWC. To me, his matches with AJ blew the ones AJ had with Cena out of the water simply because it wasn't a finisher fest. They told a story instead of one big move to another.This 100% and not be mention Triple H had one of his best matches in years against him at Roadblock. |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on May 14, 2017 8:21:54 GMT -5
LOL the worst indy match is better than any Randy Orton match. The guy doesn't have chemistry with his opponents and no one has ever benefited from a feud with him.
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Post by cordless2016 on May 14, 2017 8:32:21 GMT -5
The art of telling a story in the ring has been lost. Most matches today, whether in the indys or WWE, are either finisher-fests or one big spot to another with no selling. That's why i don't get why a guy like Dean Ambrose gets ragged on by the IWC. To me, his matches with AJ blew the ones AJ had with Cena out of the water simply because it wasn't a finisher fest. They told a story instead of one big move to another.This 100% and not be mention Triple H had one of his best matches in years against him at Roadblock. Agreed. That Roadblock match was far better than both of Hunters matches with Reigns and Rollins (and any HHH/Orton match we've ever seen). What is a true testament to Deans ability is that the crowd started 50/50, but by the end of the match he had them eating out of his hand and fully against HHH. No "flippy move after flippy move" needed. Just two guys working a match where each move made sense to the overall puzzle they were creating. |
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on May 14, 2017 10:04:24 GMT -5
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 14, 2017 11:27:42 GMT -5
Yes, Indy wrestling does have that formula it seems, but in kind of has to have that formula to keep the fans coming and to keep the shows entertaining.
For WWE, it's so big, that someone like Randy Orton can go out there, and do three moves, and then the RKO and win, and be over with the crowd. Because they are WWE fans, who are just that for the most part - WWE fans. So they are gonna not care who is even on the card, or who wins or loses, as long as they are just there at the event.
For Indy wrestling, a lot of those casual WWE fans would probably not wanna go to a show, because they don't see a John Cena, or Randy Orton, or Chris Jericho on the card. So these young guys have to do the flips, no sell, and make it look like a video game, to keep the kids and the fans into it.
But look at guys like Seth, AJ, Owens, Zayn, Cesaro and such. They have slowed it down a lot in their WWE careers compared to what they did in ROH years ago.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on May 14, 2017 13:53:23 GMT -5
The art of telling a story in the ring has been lost. Most matches today, whether in the indys or WWE, are either finisher-fests or one big spot to another with no selling. That's why i don't get why a guy like Dean Ambrose gets ragged on by the IWC. To me, his matches with AJ blew the ones AJ had with Cena out of the water simply because it wasn't a finisher fest. They told a story instead of one big move to another. Some people get on Dean Ambrose's case because some feel he is lazy and phones it in. I do agree, Triple H/Ambrose from Roadblock was a damn good match. The reason why Triple H's match with Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns weren't well received is because of the length of the matches. Steve Austin feels that Triple H's last two WrestleMania matches went on for far too long. Especially against Reigns at 'Mania XXXII. In regards to Randy Orton's work, he has that old-school feel to his matches. I am sure if he was around in the 80's, his style would be revered. Orton has had some damn good matches in his career. His matches with The Undertaker, Mick Foley, and Christian just to name a few. What these Indy guys don't realize is they are doing damage to themselves in the long run. When they reach a certain age, your body wants to slow down. A good recent example is The Hardyz. They don't move as fast as they used to in the ring. There is a reason they reinvented themselves with The Broken Universe. Slowing it down and maximizing your minutes is something Jim Ross harps on to every talent in the industry. You're and idiot if you disagree with Jim Ross on that. |
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killerkapowski
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Post by killerkapowski on May 14, 2017 15:22:08 GMT -5
Like others say, wrestling evolves. I have no qualms on where it's heading. I'm old enough to remember when a scoop slam meant something.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on May 14, 2017 18:46:09 GMT -5
lol I love Orton on Twitter.
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Post by Escape The Rules on May 14, 2017 18:46:09 GMT -5
Orton's opinion would mean more if he was actually a stellar performer, but that's not the case.But there is a formula on the indie scene that is drawn out and needs to be changed. More psychology will result in less flippy sh*t and less high-risk. Ha! You're entitled to your opinion, but that's all it is. He hasn't lasted 15 years in WWE and won 13 world titles by chance. |
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hbkowns
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Post by hbkowns on May 14, 2017 19:15:21 GMT -5
Orton's opinion would mean more if he was actually a stellar performer, but that's not the case.But there is a formula on the indie scene that is drawn out and needs to be changed. More psychology will result in less flippy sh*t and less high-risk. Ha! You're entitled to your opinion, but that's all it is. He hasn't lasted 15 years in WWE and won 13 world titles by chance. Yes, that is my opinion. But he was chosen right from the start to be a star, much like Roman. And winning any amount of titles is so irrelevant. Don't get me wrong, He has all the potential in the world to be as good as he wants to be, but he rests on his laurels more time than not. Each time he has the opportunity to show more depth, show more fire and charisma, he just doesn't. He's good, but he never reached his potential of greatness that he could have. He literally could have been the #1 guy, but we all know who that went to, and that certain somebody did all the things that Randy should have. |
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Post by 5th Horsewoman on May 14, 2017 20:03:20 GMT -5
lol I love Orton on Twitter. Randy's a savage. ...OHHH YEAH |
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Post by The Real Valbroski on May 14, 2017 20:10:02 GMT -5
I mean, 15 years with the same company in any line of work and you're going to think your company is the only way worth doing. Not to mention he is a third generation superstar and had connections. Not to discredit his talent but his chances of having 13 title reigns if he was a first generation superstar who had to break into the business on his own would drop drastically.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 20:19:07 GMT -5
I love Orton.
I liked him before.
But now he is loved
.........loved
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