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Post by theoutlaw1999 on May 17, 2017 19:16:52 GMT -5
We endured months of Randy working with Bray only for him to go "nope lol, no powers over me." But yeah that young up and comer Randy should get one over that boring old character Bray. "Oh were not putting Bray over? Just retcon the storyline where Randys eyes glowed and saw twisted images in mirrors an stuff. Just ignore that. He was never under control..." Are you just starting to watch WWE? Bray loses the big ones in basically every feud he's in. Nothing that happened is new. True Bray does lose many feuds but no young star should have to put over Randy Orton. Randy is at the age and stage of his career now where he should be used solely to elevate the young guys who are the future. He was gone basically for a year and the company moved on perfectly fine without him so he doesn't need huge wins and title reigns in 2017. |
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Post by PJ on May 17, 2017 19:22:42 GMT -5
Are you just starting to watch WWE? Bray loses the big ones in basically every feud he's in. Nothing that happened is new. True Bray does lose many feuds but no young star should have to put over Randy Orton.
Randy is at the age and stage of his career now where he should be used solely to elevate the young guys who are the future. He was gone basically for a year and the company moved on perfectly fine without him so he doesn't need huge wins and title reigns in 2017. By that logic so should Styles as he is two years older than Orton. |
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Post by tylerbreezee on May 17, 2017 19:25:36 GMT -5
Are you just starting to watch WWE? Bray loses the big ones in basically every feud he's in. Nothing that happened is new. True Bray does lose many feuds but no young star should have to put over Randy Orton. Randy is at the age and stage of his career now where he should be used solely to elevate the young guys who are the future. He was gone basically for a year and the company moved on perfectly fine without him so he doesn't need huge wins and title reigns in 2017. He was embarrassed and bloodied by Lesnar. He deserves what he's getting. The same can be said about any of the other guys on the roster. Finn is a little more than a year younger than Orton... AJ is older than Orton.. Miz is a year younger than Orton.. Ziggler is a year younger than Orton... Nakamura is the same age as Orton, but you'd like if they got title runs, won the rumble, etc. Right? |
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on May 17, 2017 19:34:23 GMT -5
True Bray does lose many feuds but no young star should have to put over Randy Orton.
Randy is at the age and stage of his career now where he should be used solely to elevate the young guys who are the future. He was gone basically for a year and the company moved on perfectly fine without him so he doesn't need huge wins and title reigns in 2017. By that logic so should Styles as he is two years older than Orton. Well by WWE logic Styles didnt do anything of note until a little over a year ago when he finally came there. Orton has 13 world titles and is the youngest to win one there. Let AJ rack up a few more and then we'll see. Hes already put Jericho over. Basically Id just like to see a bit more sense of urgency in a Mania match pinfall. Is that too much to ask? He always hits RKO. Takes his sweet time. Lays on his back. Maybe hooks a leg. Thank you Randy, for telling the story of how great you continue to be. And despite months of mind games and brawling a lackadaisical pin seems fine. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 21:25:01 GMT -5
Lmfao this is epic.
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Post by Truth HuRts on May 17, 2017 22:51:57 GMT -5
Are you just starting to watch WWE? Bray loses the big ones in basically every feud he's in. Nothing that happened is new. True Bray does lose many feuds but no young star should have to put over Randy Orton. Randy is at the age and stage of his career now where he should be used solely to elevate the young guys who are the future. He was gone basically for a year and the company moved on perfectly fine without him so he doesn't need huge wins and title reigns in 2017. lol just because you're a certain age or been in wwe for 15 years or even had 13 world titles does not mean you should have to put younger/new guys over Orton still has a long career a head of him so he shouldn't have to put people over |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 7:52:44 GMT -5
If young guys always beat vets, or legends or anyone of significant meaning then eventually beating that legend will mean diddly squat.
See, Big Show.
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Post by tylerbreezee on May 18, 2017 8:01:42 GMT -5
If young guys always beat vets, or legends or anyone of significant meaning then eventually beating that legend will mean diddly squat. See, Big Show. Exactly! Like when younger guys started facing Undertaker and they got that one fluke victory over him, it was so awesome! Eventually Undertaker won the feud but it that's what maintained his aura, that even though you beat him once, it wasn't happening again and he'd get the last laugh |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 8:10:45 GMT -5
If young guys always beat vets, or legends or anyone of significant meaning then eventually beating that legend will mean diddly squat. See, Big Show. Exactly! Like when younger guys started facing Undertaker and they got that one fluke victory over him, it was so awesome! Eventually Undertaker won the feud but it that's what maintained his aura, that even though you beat him once, it wasn't happening again and he'd get the last laugh Spot on. I remember some saying they wish the Orton-Taker feud had never happened and that it did Orton no good. Lol wut? Taker won the feud, yes. But he was a baby face. And it's the Undertaker! Look at his 20+ year career as a face and you could probably count on 1 hand the feuds he lost. Orton was the heel and he got two victories over him. Randy Orton is an attraction. If every new young guy starts beating him eventually he'll mean nothing. You can't have that going on |
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Post by K5 on May 18, 2017 10:06:53 GMT -5
a lot of it originated in wcw's cruiserweights and ecw's crazy workrate with people like rvd - big spot after big spot until hardly anything feels big any more.
even the wwe's workrates in the early 2000s till 2004 were fairly non stop no sell spot matches. angle and benoit BOTH jumped off a cage ON RAW.
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Post by marino13 on May 19, 2017 19:04:20 GMT -5
If young guys always beat vets, or legends or anyone of significant meaning then eventually beating that legend will mean diddly squat. See, Big Show. I wish more "fans" would realize this. |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on May 19, 2017 20:09:44 GMT -5
If young guys always beat vets, or legends or anyone of significant meaning then eventually beating that legend will mean diddly squat. See, Big Show. I agree Legends most certainly should not lose every match they have against young guys. If Angle has a match I will be rooting for him to win because he needs a few victories to prove that he can still go. The main issue with Orton has been his booking. He has no chemistry with his opponents and character wise he has got worse with age. WWE currently has it's greatest ever talent but it was Orton who won the Royal Rumble and then went over Wyatt clean at Mania and his current title reign is possibly his worst. A Legend putting over a new guy is like passing the torch and setting them up. Look at AJ his victory over Cena almost elevated him through the roof and such a big deal was made of it. If AJ lost however he would've became another guy in a long list that fell against Super Cena. Wyatt should've walked out of Mania smelling of roses but instead he leaves with a 3 loss record. |
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Post by tylerbreezee on May 19, 2017 20:14:42 GMT -5
If young guys always beat vets, or legends or anyone of significant meaning then eventually beating that legend will mean diddly squat. See, Big Show. I agree Legends most certainly should not lose every match they have against young guys. If Angle has a match I will be rooting for him to win because he needs a few victories to prove that he can still go. The main issue with Orton has been his booking. He has no chemistry with his opponents and character wise he has got worse with age. WWE currently has it's greatest ever talent but it was Orton who won the Royal Rumble and then went over Wyatt clean at Mania and his current title reign is possibly his worst. A Legend putting over a new guy is like passing the torch and setting them up. Look at AJ his victory over Cena almost elevated him through the roof and such a big deal was made of it. If AJ lost however he would've became another guy in a long list that fell against Super Cena. Wyatt should've walked out of Mania smelling of roses but instead he leaves with a 3 loss record. Orton puts on great matches with Corbin |
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Post by Dylan ❤️s Wrestling on May 21, 2017 12:45:46 GMT -5
I agree with Orton, I think the style of wrestling nowadays that's becoming popular just doesn't have a lot of appeal, especially lasting appeal.
If you need to throw 3 FINISHers at an opponent before they're actually finished...how does the move mean anything anymore?
If you dive off a cage...and then the opponent dives off the cage...and then there's interference and the interfering stars start jumping off the cage at the two in the ring...umm...who cares anymore?
Then if you have the heel break character and shake the hand of their opponent and raise their hand in victory...multiple times, in multiple matches, from multiple stars...does anyone feel the heat of the match or find this special, and cool and different anymore?
You have moments like the Curtain Call, and Superfly off the cage and someone KICKING OUT OF THE ATOMIC LEG DROP...NOOOOOOO....that were these special moments that'd urge you to keep tuning in so you don't miss whatever they cook up next and you never know when or where something will happen...and now that's just becoming standard fare...
Every episode can't be the season finale.
Every scene can't have a M. Night Shyamalan twist.
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