ohernan6
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Post by ohernan6 on Jan 31, 2018 13:46:28 GMT -5
What do you think this guy needs to do because he is drowning fast now.
I don't think quitting and going somewhere else is going to help him because something tells me after McIntyre, the WWE is going to put a stop to hiring people back who improved their name somewhere else — That's why I think Dolph hasn't left and I actually think Cody has peaked (by riding the Bullet Club's coattails) and would still be a mid-carder if he comes back.
In my opinion Zack Ryder needs to evolve, not change, his character. Changing the character rarely helps someone in the long run. I think Ryder needs to identify his weaknesses:
His promos — They just sound corny and non-believable. Mojo smoked him bad recently in their Twitter promos. He needs to speak less and stop overdoing it when he does.
His lack of impressive moves — Lot's of people have unique moves that people get impressed by. Ryder needs to add one or two moves because that flip to the outside doesn't really impress many these days.
His child-like character — Stop posting about action figures and Disneyland already! Who's going to treat you like a draw that way? And even though the beard is a 10/10, buzz that little kid haircut. The dude has the physique of a monster, yet presents himself exactly the opposite.
I feel bad for the guy, but he hasn't done himself any favors lately.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Jan 31, 2018 14:25:11 GMT -5
Honestly, I can't see WWE ever giving him another push. Just like Dolph, in the past when the time was right, they refused to push him despite being beloved by the audience, until it got to the point where the audience doesn't care about him anymore. With Ryder having been there for so long and achieving so little, I think his time has passed.
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Post by Bandalero on Jan 31, 2018 14:30:16 GMT -5
That's a little harsh. I know he collects and probably reads these forums.
When are folks going to realize that you need all kinds of wrestlers to make a great wrestling show: jobbers, mid-carders, and main event stars to name a few. They can't all be in the main event. Guys like Hawkins and Slater play their roles very well and do what they need to/are asked to do.
Does he need to work on his promos? Yeah I agree, the jersey shore stuff was a decade ago, evolve!
New move-set? Probably; he's got such a great physique now he should really utilize more power moves to sell it
Child-Like character? I don't fully agree; wrestlers have to sell merch - keeping a beard and buzz-cutting doesn't make him stand out, he'll just look like another Karl Anderson. He may need a new gimmmick/new right attire. But if he's a babyface and his appeal is to a younger demographic then so be it.
Look Zack's no where close to world-title contention, unless he surprise wins the next Royal Rumble or MitB. His employer is paying him well (because he gets super rare Hasbros!) so I think he's happy where he is. You should be too.
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Post by IRS on Jan 31, 2018 14:43:54 GMT -5
Zack is little more than a mid-card hand (if he's lucky) any more. It's clear WWE will never give him a chance to do anything more. The guy was literally out popping The Rock, and WWE buried him for it. He was lucky just to get his moment with the IC Title at WM32. He deserved better, but it's past the point of no return by now.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jan 31, 2018 14:49:58 GMT -5
Wwe wastes the guy every chance they get. You can say all you want about getting and being over but the reality is you’re only as over as wwe wants you to be. They buried him and for whatever do don’t see much in him
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jan 31, 2018 14:50:39 GMT -5
That's a little harsh. I know he collects and probably reads these forums. When are folks going to realize that you need all kinds of wrestlers to make a great wrestling show: jobbers, mid-carders, and main event stars to name a few. They can't all be in the main event. Guys like Hawkins and Slater play their roles very well and do what they need to/are asked to do. Does he need to work on his promos? Yeah I agree, the jersey shore stuff was a decade ago, evolve! New move-set? Probably; he's got such a great physique now he should really utilize more power moves to sell it Child-Like character? I don't fully agree; wrestlers have to sell merch - keeping a beard and buzz-cutting doesn't make him stand out, he'll just look like another Karl Anderson. He may need a new gimmmick/new right attire. But if he's a babyface and his appeal is to a younger demographic then so be it. Look Zack's no where close to world-title contention, unless he surprise wins the next Royal Rumble or MitB. His employer is paying him well (because he gets super rare Hasbros!) so I think he's happy where he is. You should be too. You would be surprised who reads the forums |
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Post by J12 on Jan 31, 2018 14:58:30 GMT -5
I'd really like to see him team with Ziggler. They're good friends, so there's chemistry there. Both talented guys who have exhausted nearly every option on the main roster and who likely aren't going to be given another look as a big singles star. Plus, having another strong tag team on the roster is never a bad thing.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 31, 2018 14:59:43 GMT -5
Look...is it really that bad?
We live in an age where everyone feels like if you're not the WWE/Universal Champion and you're not in the main event that your career is somehow a failure.....in something like WWE, which is very much ENTERTAINMENT and these guys play characters and have roles....you need guys to lose just as much as you need guys to win.
Zack Ryder has held the Tag Team Titles, been United States Champion, Intercontinental Champion, he won the IC title at WRESTLEMANIA, one of the few times in HISTORY that it has actually changed hands at WrestleMania, I might add...he's been in the ring with people like Undertaker.....he's probably making good money....again, is it really that bad?
Compared to us regular schmucks that have to go to an awful job everyday for practically no money...he's got his dream job, making good money, been with how many hot women.....I'm sorry, I have a hard time feeling bad for him.
If he's the guy that loses to people like Rusev, Corbin, and Jinder,....every once in a while picks up an underdog win......I'd say that's a decent existence. I mean, big deal, he lost a fatal 4-way number one contenders match for the United States Title...WWE felt that of the 4 people to be considered for number one contender-ship, that he was one of the top 4. Could have used Ziggler instead. Could have used Mojo. Could have used either Corbin or Dillinger instead of having them have a singles match....really, it was an important position.
Like I said, I don't believe in that mentality that if you're not the Champion or in the Main Event that you or your career is a failure. I think he is in every way very much a success because he's THERE. I'm sure James Ellsworth would trade places with him in a second. Hell, I WOULD trade places with him in a second.
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Post by Thought Collector on Jan 31, 2018 15:11:49 GMT -5
Look...is it really that bad? We live in an age where everyone feels like if you're not the WWE/Universal Champion and you're not in the main event that your career is somehow a failure.....in something like WWE, which is very much ENTERTAINMENT and these guys play characters and have roles....you need guys to lose just as much as you need guys to win. Zack Ryder has held the Tag Team Titles, been United States Champion, Intercontinental Champion, he won the IC title at WRESTLEMANIA, one of the few times in HISTORY that it has actually changed hands at WrestleMania, I might add...he's been in the ring with people like Undertaker.....he's probably making good money....again, is it really that bad? Compared to us regular schmucks that have to go to an awful job everyday for practically no money...he's got his dream job, making good money, been with how many hot women.....I'm sorry, I have a hard time feeling bad for him. If he's the guy that loses to people like Rusev, Corbin, and Jinder,....every once in a while picks up an underdog win......I'd say that's a decent existence. I mean, big deal, he lost a fatal 4-way number one contenders match for the United States Title...WWE felt that of the 4 people to be considered for number one contender-ship, that he was one of the top 4. Could have used Ziggler instead. Could have used Mojo. Could have used either Corbin or Dillinger instead of having them have a singles match....really, it was an important position. Like I said, I don't believe in that mentality that if you're not the Champion or in the Main Event that you or your career is a failure. I think he is in every way very much a success because he's THERE. I'm sure James Ellsworth would trade places with him in a second. Hell, I WOULD trade places with him in a second. If he's still dating Chelsea Green/Laurel Van Ness I would too in a heartbeat without question lol. |
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Jan 31, 2018 15:27:56 GMT -5
It's not the NFL where you control how well you do. It is like a play. Many different characters that play different parts. Scott Hall, Mr Perfect, Ted Dibiase.... never won the main titles and they are loved and in the HOF. Ryder is playing his character perfectly, and is evolving. First he evolved his character, then his look, and it may be time to refresh the character again, and I'm sure he will.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jan 31, 2018 15:32:46 GMT -5
The WWE needs a WWE Network Title or something - much like the old WCW TV Title was - so guys like Ryder, English, Mojo, Breeze, Fandango, and guys like that can go for and have something to work for. Without that, they just lose to bigger name stars.
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Post by PJ on Jan 31, 2018 15:35:29 GMT -5
Nothing. He is doing his job. He's never going to be a main event guy. But he has made a nice career for himself. Hell, he even had a WrestleMania moment. And who care if he posts about his figures. He's doing no different than what any of WF's other members do.
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Post by TheLastDude on Jan 31, 2018 15:54:51 GMT -5
Look...is it really that bad? We live in an age where everyone feels like if you're not the WWE/Universal Champion and you're not in the main event that your career is somehow a failure.....in something like WWE, which is very much ENTERTAINMENT and these guys play characters and have roles....you need guys to lose just as much as you need guys to win. Zack Ryder has held the Tag Team Titles, been United States Champion, Intercontinental Champion, he won the IC title at WRESTLEMANIA, one of the few times in HISTORY that it has actually changed hands at WrestleMania, I might add...he's been in the ring with people like Undertaker.....he's probably making good money....again, is it really that bad? Compared to us regular schmucks that have to go to an awful job everyday for practically no money...he's got his dream job, making good money, been with how many hot women.....I'm sorry, I have a hard time feeling bad for him. If he's the guy that loses to people like Rusev, Corbin, and Jinder,....every once in a while picks up an underdog win......I'd say that's a decent existence. I mean, big deal, he lost a fatal 4-way number one contenders match for the United States Title...WWE felt that of the 4 people to be considered for number one contender-ship, that he was one of the top 4. Could have used Ziggler instead. Could have used Mojo. Could have used either Corbin or Dillinger instead of having them have a singles match....really, it was an important position. Like I said, I don't believe in that mentality that if you're not the Champion or in the Main Event that you or your career is a failure. I think he is in every way very much a success because he's THERE. I'm sure James Ellsworth would trade places with him in a second. Hell, I WOULD trade places with him in a second. This. If there were no supporting characters in movies, we'd have to sit and watch Chris Pratt talk to himself for 90 minutes. Hell, they give an Oscar to the best supporting actor/actress. Regardless of how one feels about awards ceremonies, the fact that there is an award for the best supporting player in a movie should tell you it's not a bad thing to be in the background. Zack has held every title he can except for the Heavyweight. That's hardly a bad thing. Plus, the dude likes to share his life and his hobbies on Twitter, just like the rest of us. Because he's a regular guy...just like the rest of us. |
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Post by marino13 on Jan 31, 2018 16:39:07 GMT -5
I honestly was hoping he'd be the one to turn heel when the Hype Bros broke up. Because he's got such potential, but I think it's time for something/anything new. Personally I think I'd turn him heel and have him realign with Hawkins. They are former tag team champions, so they have past history. And god know Hawkins needs something too.
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ohernan6
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Post by ohernan6 on Jan 31, 2018 16:51:00 GMT -5
I don't think my comments were harsh — I was trying to be constructive because the guy works his ass off. But for those saying "he's fine where he is" or "he's playing his role — not everyone needs to be a main eventer", you're ignoring what Zack Ryder wants. He's constantly posting that he wants more. I think there is still a chance for him to gain more. His IC win at Wrestlemania was great, yet I can still see more potential in him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 16:51:36 GMT -5
I remember a wonderful time in late 2011 when he actually got a push. He got that on his own merit - he got himself over and Vince does NOT like people who get over by themselves. Zack's been paying for it ever since. I've been a fan of his since he started doing Z! True Long Island Story, and I always will be.
As for what to do with him, he could be a solid mid-card guy - he's proven that.
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ohernan6
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Post by ohernan6 on Jan 31, 2018 16:57:10 GMT -5
That's a little harsh. I know he collects and probably reads these forums. When are folks going to realize that you need all kinds of wrestlers to make a great wrestling show: jobbers, mid-carders, and main event stars to name a few. They can't all be in the main event. Guys like Hawkins and Slater play their roles very well and do what they need to/are asked to do. Does he need to work on his promos? Yeah I agree, the jersey shore stuff was a decade ago, evolve! New move-set? Probably; he's got such a great physique now he should really utilize more power moves to sell it Child-Like character? I don't fully agree; wrestlers have to sell merch - keeping a beard and buzz-cutting doesn't make him stand out, he'll just look like another Karl Anderson. He may need a new gimmmick/new right attire. But if he's a babyface and his appeal is to a younger demographic then so be it.Look Zack's no where close to world-title contention, unless he surprise wins the next Royal Rumble or MitB. His employer is paying him well (because he gets super rare Hasbros!) so I think he's happy where he is. You should be too. But unlike Hawkins and Slater, Ryder makes it publicly known constantly that he believes to have more to offer. I don't think he appeals to any demographic anymore. You never see kids with his merch on. If you read his Twitter Feed, I doubt he's happy where he is. |
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Post by enigmafigs on Jan 31, 2018 17:04:01 GMT -5
That's a little harsh. I know he collects and probably reads these forums. When are folks going to realize that you need all kinds of wrestlers to make a great wrestling show: jobbers, mid-carders, and main event stars to name a few. They can't all be in the main event. Guys like Hawkins and Slater play their roles very well and do what they need to/are asked to do. Does he need to work on his promos? Yeah I agree, the jersey shore stuff was a decade ago, evolve! New move-set? Probably; he's got such a great physique now he should really utilize more power moves to sell it Child-Like character? I don't fully agree; wrestlers have to sell merch - keeping a beard and buzz-cutting doesn't make him stand out, he'll just look like another Karl Anderson. He may need a new gimmmick/new right attire. But if he's a babyface and his appeal is to a younger demographic then so be it. Look Zack's no where close to world-title contention, unless he surprise wins the next Royal Rumble or MitB. His employer is paying him well (because he gets super rare Hasbros!) so I think he's happy where he is. You should be too. You would be surprised who reads the forums Who do you think reads these forums then? |
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ohernan6
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Post by ohernan6 on Jan 31, 2018 17:04:07 GMT -5
I just think it's no longer up to booking to help him. Rusev Day's popularity is not a result of booking.
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Post by Chip on Jan 31, 2018 17:32:33 GMT -5
while i agree that he's overall in a good place with the company, considering he's been there a LONG time and really always had a spot. i will say its a stretch to say his title reigns were "legitimate"...his 2 singles titles were really a joke, even though his Wrestlemania IC win was amazing, the moment was kind of squashed since he lost the damn thing 24 hours later. to be honest i would just like to have seen them give him a  ing RUN with a belt. let him feud with more than 1 person and keep it for a few months...just to establish a run and be able to say he held a singles title more than 30 days. he should have been allowed to continue his web series as HE wanted to, not with WWE's awful over-produced watered down horse shit. and it'd be nice to see the guy get more than 5 minutes in a singles match once in awhile. ah who am i kidding....Ryder for World Champ! WOO WOO WOO |
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