powerfred3k
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Post by powerfred3k on Dec 6, 2018 16:24:54 GMT -5
Im in the UK and I have no idea how I’m going to get that mitb Carmella for less than £50. Ridiculous. Mattel are poor with their distribution, that’s arguably their biggest failing. How is it for you finding marvel legends in the u.k. ?
If its several times easier to find them in store for you like it is for me here in the states then I don't see any reason why wwe should not make the change.
More figures sold means for money for wwe, mattel has been doing a very poor job for several years and i don't see it improving.
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Post by mcfclee on Dec 6, 2018 16:26:26 GMT -5
Distribution is number one. It’s terrible to be honest. No way should I be considering paying over $100 on eBay for figures but I often do consider it as there’s no other way at times. Adding more exclusives is making that pet peeve grow amongst many fans.
Now the figures themselves I love. I’m not a huge fan of some of the more recent cost cuts like painting on elbow pads, but I’m very very unlikely to notice 9/10 issues that get brought up here. I’m not one to bitch and moan I just might skip the occasional fig if it’s too bad.
I don’t want someone else to get the license I just want to be able to buy the figures. Hell I’d be happy if I could but them at 1.5x the price regularly. I also get annoyed with the “that’s not their fault” line. They have a product to sell and I want to buy it. It’s their job to make sure these two needs meet somehow.
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China Claus
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Post by China Claus on Dec 6, 2018 16:29:46 GMT -5
I wouldn't consider it "hate". This is of course a collector's based forum, and if anything, we're critic's when it comes to our hobby. And I don't think there's anything wrong with a little critique.
I've been collecting Mattel WWE figure's since they first hit store's in 2010, and it's been a balancing act on their part this whole time. Tons of good, some bad.
They've definitely made some questionable changes as of late, but I'll still buy the figures I need/want.
And hopefully they'll acknowledge this "hate" as you call it, and better the product in the long-run.
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powerfred3k
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Post by powerfred3k on Dec 6, 2018 16:40:06 GMT -5
Hasbro wouldn’t treat the line any better. Their distribution with Marvek Legends and Star Wars is a nightmare. I don’t want to see Hasbro take a money juggernaught like WWE and turn it into what they have with star wars.
I can't speak on star wars figures since i don't collect them, but I can absolutely say the quality and availability of marvel legends where i live is there. I mentioned 2 examples in the flashback 3 thread.
Here is another example, I bought the hall of fame bobby heenan 4 pack a few years ago at target. I open the box and andre's leg just snaps clean off, i did nothing but just try to remove him from packaging.
I know there where other people who posted about this back then so it was an issue. I am not gonna blame target, and what good is a voucher gonna do me ? So i super glued the leg back on and can't move it.
That has never happened to any marvel legend figure i have bought, so hasbro is at least making sure there product does not break right away out of the package.
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Post by Sting on Dec 6, 2018 16:40:28 GMT -5
Im in the UK and I have no idea how I’m going to get that mitb Carmella for less than £50. Ridiculous. Mattel are poor with their distribution, that’s arguably their biggest failing. How is it for you finding marvel legends in the u.k. ?
If its several times easier to find them in store for you like it is for me here in the states then I don't see any reason why wwe should not make the change.
More figures sold means for money for wwe, mattel has been doing a very poor job for several years and i don't see it improving.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Dec 6, 2018 16:52:51 GMT -5
I can't understand why anyone would want a line this deep into its run to jump ship to a new manufacturer. As a longtime collector of numerous lines across numerous properties over the years, very little is worse than an established property either switching manufacturers or even re-tooling the line within the same manufacturer. Are those of you who are so adamant that Hasbro be given the line really willing to dial back that early into the line and start all over, all for the sake of hopefully correcting a handful of QC issues?
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Post by boz1515 on Dec 6, 2018 17:15:28 GMT -5
I really like this Mattel line, but I'm not buying as much as I had been previously. I want to make purchases, but I don't need anymore Ambrose, Rollins, Cena, Samoa Joe, Rock, Undertaker figures, etc. I have plenty of those guys.
For me, Jakks were fun to collect because they had the ability to get more legends out. Distribution is a concern, but not getting those other Golden Era figures out that Jakks did is my biggest disappointment.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Dec 6, 2018 17:23:08 GMT -5
I don't get it either. The distribution has gotten better for me here in Canada after many years of having no access to elites.
I have very minimal issues with Mattel. I can count on one hand the times I've had what I consider legitimate gripes, and that's not even using the whole hand.
If there were to be a change in producer I don't think I can follow. I've been collecting toys for too long and there's a lot of Mattel stuff I don't have yet that can see me through for a few years I'd say.
I've never felt purposely or personally screwed over by Mattel. I'm still happy.
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Post by hellojoeivers on Dec 6, 2018 17:32:27 GMT -5
While Mattel aren’t perfect
They’re doing figures better than Vince is doing wrestling right now
and for that I am thankful
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Post by natureboyfauser on Dec 6, 2018 17:38:12 GMT -5
I like both companies and love the full-scale elite figures of Mattel! LOVE IT! I think they have done a good job and creative job as possible with the Legends but this thing with Harley Race I blame on them and it is so upsetting to me I could see myself after 40 years of collecting stop because of the absurdity of short packing a NEW figure ... especially one of Harley Race's stature and history.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 6, 2018 17:38:52 GMT -5
because the cost of these things is going up and the quality is going way down. figures are breaking left and right, paint apps are horrible, the "face" painting on these true FX is getting messed up, they continue to use the wrong parts all over the place for figures, they are making body parts with 2 different skin colors. its been going on for years but you can only do it so long without changing before people start to notice This! Mattel can be the best when they want to be, but they are taking the short cuts and charging us more. |
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Post by hellojoeivers on Dec 6, 2018 17:40:26 GMT -5
With regards to distribution, I can’t speak for the States but in the UK people are quick to blame Mattel. The problem is not Mattel, it’s us. We’re a piss in an ocean, and when Smyths gave us the largest selection of WWE figures anywhere not named Ringside Collectibles we didn’t buy them, and if we did it was only when we’d waited for them to be reduced to pocket change. So WHY would our retailers help us out and order these spin-off’s?
Although, a fair criticism of Mattel (which they looked to have addressed recently) is that the overproduction of unknowns (I’m tellin’ya guys, aside from 10 of you on here; nobody is losing sleep over not having Warlord in their collection) was in my opinion the beginning of the downward spiral for us in the UK
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Post by stc13 on Dec 6, 2018 17:45:06 GMT -5
The grass is always greener on the other side for some.
While there are plenty of valid complaints, I'm not sure why people are claiming the figures are more expensive when the SRP hasn't changed in years.
The reality is that Mattel is either going to find ways to trim costs or increase prices. That's just the nature of any business over time. And personally I'd much rather deal with the current issues than pay $25+ per figure.
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powerfred3k
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Post by powerfred3k on Dec 6, 2018 17:46:17 GMT -5
I can't understand why anyone would want a line this deep into its run to jump ship to a new manufacturer. As a longtime collector of numerous lines across numerous properties over the years, very little is worse than an established property either switching manufacturers or even re-tooling the line within the same manufacturer. Are those of you who are so adamant that Hasbro be given the line really willing to dial back that early into the line and start all over, all for the sake of hopefully correcting a handful of QC issues? I can't understand why anyone would not like better quality and much better availability that hasbro's marvel legends line has when compared to mattel wwe. How much is that short packed elite harley race going for ebay now ? Mattel has had there run, and now it needs to end. People need to stop making excuses for mattel. |
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Post by bigjohnnybadd on Dec 6, 2018 18:06:31 GMT -5
Number one, because people like to complain. You are just never going to make everyone happy. Ever.
However, I have to agree 100% on the distribution and overall availability of the product. In this day and age, if I am willing to pay retail price on a newly released item, it should be readily available for me to do so. I should not have to search Walmart, Target, or Walgreens high and low in hopes of finding a figure. All of these hard to get exclusives are just a terrible practice. I know some people like the hunt, but all it does is encourage scalpers. It just doesn't work. Some areas get loaded with a series. Some never get it at all. As I have said before, if Mattel MUST do exclusives, then make sure they are online and readily available to purchase on that retailer's website. We want to give you our money! Stop making it so hard!
And now this year with the adding of chase figures and regular elite line store exclusives, it only looks like it is going to get worse.
As far as figure quality itself though - sure, it can be better. It can always be better. However, most of the time these figures are awesome. People forget that a lot of times Mattel is aiming for the idealistic, larger than life version of the character. Sometimes this cuts into the realism. Muscles are bigger. Features are exaggerated. But yes, sometimes it is flat out just being lazy or cheap. But overall, the people that make these things (most of them anyway) seem to really be passionate about WWE and generally want to deliver as long as they have the resources to do so. A lot of times they are up against a lot when it comes to getting some of these made.
But despite all the complaints, I'd be willing to bet that Mattel ain't going anywhere for a long, long time!
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Post by Henchmen4Hire on Dec 6, 2018 18:22:27 GMT -5
I don't think it's "hate", it's more that people don't know how to express themselves rationally or in a civilized manner nowadays. Even the smallest criticisms are expressed as a personal assault. People don't say, "Braun figures need bigger hands", they say "Mattel is ******* stupid because theyre too blind to see Braun needs bigger hands those ****** ***hole *******!!!"
I see people getting into arguments over the dumbest topics simply because they can't communicate effectively. Because of the all the QC errors for the past couple of years but guess what? pretty much every company has QC Errors, I've bought figures for 200 dollars that QC errors changing companys at this point, isn't going to do anything but cost collector's money When I first started checking out and buying high end toys, I was bummed to discover there's little difference in quality between something like Mattel's $15 comics figures and a $100 Play Arts Kai figure. There are still visible mold lines in the high end figs, there's still sloppy airbrushing, parts can still be warped in the package, and I even found that they're more fragile (scrawny pegs to support large parts, inferior plastic used in joints, etc.).
Basically, they're still mass-produced figures assembled the same way, so it's no surprise they have the same issues.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 18:29:19 GMT -5
I don't think it's "hate", it's more that people don't know how to express themselves rationally or in a civilized manner nowadays. Even the smallest criticisms are expressed as a personal assault. People don't say, "Braun figures need bigger hands", they say "Mattel is ******* stupid because theyre too blind to see Braun needs bigger hands those ****** ***hole *******!!!"
I see people getting into arguments over the dumbest topics simply because they can't communicate effectively. BINGO! Nobody has any morals or respect for anything anymore. It’s never constructive criticism. It’s “I can say what I want because I’m the consumer.” Same way customers can be nasty to an employee in a store, while the employee (and management) need to apologize. Companies are afraid of losing business, so consumers take advantage of it. |
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Post by LA Times on Dec 6, 2018 18:47:52 GMT -5
Because people want things catered just for them when they don't realize they are not the main demographic for the toy line. Hasbro isn't going to treat the line any different if they got the license. It would still be a kids line with a subset for adults. The last time I checked, Hasbro also short packs certain figures and does store exclusives
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Post by buddyboy101 on Dec 6, 2018 18:50:38 GMT -5
I've personally found this forum and consumer feedback on here to be rather civil, constructive, and fair. I would say most negative feedback revolves around the following: - Distribution issues - makes the hobby frustrating and drives up prices
- Spreadsheet assembly/other cost-cutting that makes the figures look cheap
- Fewer Flashbacks/Legends
- Sloppy/lazy facial likenesses
- Sloppy paint work
It's hard to argue with some of these critiques. I think the honeymoon period with Mattel is over, so naturally the customer base is becoming more jaded/critical. Likewise, I also think Mattel was trying hard early on, and more recently it seems like they are taking their collectors for granted and overall put less effort into things. We'll see how the Ultimate line goes, but to me that doesn't absolve them of laziness on their so-called "Elite" line.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Dec 6, 2018 19:04:41 GMT -5
I've never liked mattel, I wish Jakks had kept the contracts. I know Jakks weren't perfect but neither has Mattel been,
They said everyone would have their own individual torso's. What mattel meant to say was - We will have more variations of torso than Jakks did. This also means when we put the wrong torso on a guy, it'll be more costly to fix up.
The face scans although smaller than jakks, havent been the best with poor printing where the beards or eyes are off the sculpt or they just have very smooth faces with little skin detail like wrinkles etc, atleast you could get some detail into Jakks head scans even if they are bigger, they're on a bigger body.
Theres the wrong parts BS, I know one guy who bought a Big Show with 2 left feet for example This was a good while ago (Blue singlet elite Show). The way the prices have gone up and up and up yet they'd taken away (poorly crafted )cloth accessories which never had hemming along the neckline, waist or sleeves now they've also taken articulation away from Basic's, oh wait! WHILE inflating the price!
The fact so many places dont carry a WWE line of figures anymore or are regularly being put on sale (UK) shows Mattel arent succeeding,
Jakks had the contract from 96 - 2010 and their figures were always stocked in every supermarket, toy shop and various other places Mattel has had the conrtact from 2010 and the market for them is weakening.
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I dont know good luck 
