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Post by dynamitekido on Dec 6, 2018 19:05:03 GMT -5
For me it’s more constructive criticism than anything. I buy them and I enjoy them for the most part. I don’t hate the company or what they’re doing because for the most part Mattel makes the best wrestling figures that have ever been made. We all have our gripes and rightfully so (for the money the majority of us spend on the product) but for the most part I think people here are reasonable with their complaints.
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Post by cableV on Dec 6, 2018 19:20:00 GMT -5
I don't hate them, but I will give you an example of a thing they do that annoys me. Surfer Sting is one of the most colorfully attired wrestlers in history. There are a multitude of colors and color combinations to choose from, and they come up with this...
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Post by Gorilla on Dec 6, 2018 19:53:02 GMT -5
i just hate all the different ways legends have to be released. eilte, tnf, hof, hoc, dm, eg, exclusives, retrofest, spotlight, etc, etc. Geez, just a straight legends or flashback line please! I want to like this a million times
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Dec 6, 2018 20:07:45 GMT -5
Simple, Mattel's quality has majorly dropped down over the past couple of years. In Mattel's first few years, there weren't as many cases of poor quality control and questionable decisions. Fast forward to about 2016-2018 and it's almost like 8/10 figures have some sort of big flaw in them.
Back when i first started collecting Mattel in 2010, i would say maybe 2-3 out of the say 20 or so figures i bought had a minor paint flaw or a slightly looser arm. Now, since i started buying figures again in 2017, about 90% of them have had a nasty paint flaw or overly tight joints, where in one case my E56 Styles had an almost frozen left arm where when i moved the ab crunch, it would jolt the arm up like an old Flex Force figure, then one more ab crunch later the arm joint snapped and now he has a loose helicopter arm. On top of this, every figure i've bought since 2017 has had frozen ankle joints, the majority of them have had nasty paint flaws and some have come with just straight up loose joints. For a company that should be improving quality with time, they're taking a step back.
Now, notable things that are happening but i haven't experienced yet. Fortunately for me, i haven't come across a botched True FX yet. But the ones that are botched are horrendous, especially Basics & Women. The fact that some of them even get the green light shocks me.
Skin tones not matching is one of the most annoying things i see from Mattel, how do they give the green light to two completely different skin tones? Painting skin colour over black or white to 'cut costs' is just a poor excuse. How about take the cost out somewhere else like an accessory rather than ruin what could've been a great figure. The most recent one i've seen is a thread about EM Kurt Angle with horribly coloured legs. Now while i haven't experienced this much, the Elite 59 American Alpha i have, has this problem. While it's not the worst it could be, it's noticeable especially on Jordan.
Leaving the quality control behind for a minute, changing the Basic figures was a stupid decision. Why remove articulation but still charge the same price? On top of this, the plastic feels cheaper and the final product looks poor and cheap. Basics now are what you would expect to find at a Dollar store, the only use for them really is getting the heads off them, and even now with True FX, that's gone because Basic True FX is a disaster.
Now don't get me wrong, i still think Mattel have the best WWE figures ever, when done right they're amazing. But seriously, when people pay the money they do for your product, they shouldn't be expecting to receive a paint job disaster, and botched face or a broken figure. For me, i've got to pay at least $50 per figure because of the USD-AUD, so when i do that, i shouldn't be thinking "Is this one going to be a mess too?" Right now, charging the price they do for the quality we all get is quite sad.
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Post by marino13 on Dec 6, 2018 20:20:52 GMT -5
I don't get it.
Quality is supposedly going down, yet I haven't had any issues. In all the years I've been buying Mattel (since day 1), I've had ONE come from Ringside that looked bad.
Face printing is supposed to be a disaster, yet mine have all been great. I actually prefer it usually.
They say "prices going up but quality going down". Yet we're getting interchangeable hands and the occasionally multiple faces for the same price they were before.
Complaints about distribution, yet 9 times out of 10, that has more to do with the stores than it does Mattel.
They say "too many big names missing", yet I could barely name ten figures I'd want we haven't gotten or that aren't in the works.
They complain about Exclusives yet complain we aren't getting more new names a year.
Now they claim that Hasbro can do better. Well Hasbro would have the same issues. No thanks, grass ain't always greener.
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Post by warriorheart on Dec 6, 2018 20:27:24 GMT -5
The distribution is my biggest complaint and I don’t blame them for that. Some Targets and Walmarts are great and some are terrible and don’t restock for 6 months. I honestly don’t know who to blame on that. Is it Mattel or is it the store? I would tend to think the store, but I don’t know.
My son collects Hasbro Marvel figs and the distribution is just as bad. Changing companies wouldn’t solve that issue.
The QC is definitely an issue. That needs to be approved upon. It seemed like it was headed in the right direction a year or so ago. Now it’s going the other way again. Just inconsistent.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Dec 6, 2018 20:41:33 GMT -5
Had Jakks not set the bar so high with Classics, I wouldn't have any complaints. While it may be unfair to compare Jakks output of Classics names to Mattel, I think that it is fair to say that Mattel has dropped the ball on female legends. From my understanding the current WWE product is all about Women being on par with the male talent and from what I've read many past names have recently appeared and competed in WWE events. You wouldn't know anything about this recognition and heritage based on Mattels output of Legends females. And before a Mattel representative decides to not reply back and say "it's out of our hands" I'm not talking about the Luna Vachons or Sables or Molly Hollys of the world that we can pretty much guess are not under contract/consideration. The fact that Wendi Richter and another Lita have been shown but can't find a spot in a line while guys like Kevin Owens, Seth Rollins, and Dean Ambrose will be getting yet more releases shows where the priority is with Mattel. I guess I liked Jakks because if 5 people in Whitehall, PA said they wanted a Danny Davis or Luna Vachon well by God Jakks gave it to us and apparently did so without care of a bottom line on if someone sold/would sale.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Dec 6, 2018 21:20:30 GMT -5
I’m just gonna be honest here,..Bill rubs me the wrong way.
Am I the only one?
.......(No Zeus for you!)
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Dec 6, 2018 21:21:29 GMT -5
Same here goes for me. I praise mattel for what they do good, but when they commit the same mistakes or do things that are questionable like for example... correcting Seth Rollin’s kneepads to the open ones or finally giving him thicker legs and then going back to the same old ones, I criticize. A lot of people here act like this isn’t a forum to discuss or give our opinions on these figures. For the most part, people who complain or criticize want a better product and do not mean harsh criticism in terms of berating the product. We came all the way from having fully skintoned casted torsos to painted torso to mattel repainting a 2017 Goldberg to pass it off as a ‘98 Goldberg in a overpriced packaging and music stand... I don’t hate mattel, but I do wish they would correct a lot of their mistakes or at least ask for customer input on some things that they could fix... We’re not getting these figures for free, we pay our hard earned cash for them. I’ve stopped buying a lot of figures and now only cherry pick.
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Post by TheLastDude on Dec 6, 2018 21:29:11 GMT -5
I can't understand why anyone would want a line this deep into its run to jump ship to a new manufacturer. As a longtime collector of numerous lines across numerous properties over the years, very little is worse than an established property either switching manufacturers or even re-tooling the line within the same manufacturer. Are those of you who are so adamant that Hasbro be given the line really willing to dial back that early into the line and start all over, all for the sake of hopefully correcting a handful of QC issues? I don't think it's "hate", it's more that people don't know how to express themselves rationally or in a civilized manner nowadays. Even the smallest criticisms are expressed as a personal assault. People don't say, "Braun figures need bigger hands", they say "Mattel is ******* stupid because theyre too blind to see Braun needs bigger hands those ****** ***hole *******!!!"
I see people getting into arguments over the dumbest topics simply because they can't communicate effectively. Because of the all the QC errors for the past couple of years but guess what? pretty much every company has QC Errors, I've bought figures for 200 dollars that QC errors changing companys at this point, isn't going to do anything but cost collector's money When I first started checking out and buying high end toys, I was bummed to discover there's little difference in quality between something like Mattel's $15 comics figures and a $100 Play Arts Kai figure. There are still visible mold lines in the high end figs, there's still sloppy airbrushing, parts can still be warped in the package, and I even found that they're more fragile (scrawny pegs to support large parts, inferior plastic used in joints, etc.). Basically, they're still mass-produced figures assembled the same way, so it's no surprise they have the same issues.
So much Logic in these two posts, it could put on a concert. They say "prices going up but quality going down". Yet we're getting interchangeable hands and the occasionally multiple faces for the same price they were before. Honestly, when was the last time we had a price increase? I don't even remember. It feels like elites have been about $20 and basics have been about $10 for years.
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Post by supremeopinion on Dec 6, 2018 22:00:32 GMT -5
The answer is quite simple:
“You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
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Post by rastlinfigures on Dec 6, 2018 22:55:03 GMT -5
I don’t have many complaints other than it becoming more challenging to collect with all of the store exclusives. And I can’t afford a change in manufacturers.
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Post by gawd6sic6™ on Dec 7, 2018 2:36:15 GMT -5
I don't get it. Quality is supposedly going down, yet I haven't had any issues. In all the years I've been buying Mattel (since day 1), I've had ONE come from Ringside that looked bad. Face printing is supposed to be a disaster, yet mine have all been great. I actually prefer it usually. They say "prices going up but quality going down". Yet we're getting interchangeable hands and the occasionally multiple faces for the same price they were before. Complaints about distribution, yet 9 times out of 10, that has more to do with the stores than it does Mattel. They say "too many big names missing", yet I could barely name ten figures I'd want we haven't gotten or that aren't in the works. They complain about Exclusives yet complain we aren't getting more new names a year. Now they claim that Hasbro can do better. Well Hasbro would have the same issues. No thanks, grass ain't always greener. I'm with you. I have nearly every elite styled figure they have made, and I've had MAYBE 5 figures since 2010 that had an issue out of the box.
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Post by buddyboy101 on Dec 7, 2018 7:10:00 GMT -5
We came all the way from having fully skintoned casted torsos to painted torso to mattel repainting a 2017 Goldberg to pass it off as a ‘98 Goldberg in a overpriced packaging and music stand... Oh my goodness, I thought I was the only one who thought this! That EG Goldberg looked very off, and I couldn't put my finger on it. Makes total sense now.
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Post by Stuart? on Dec 7, 2018 7:17:01 GMT -5
I don't hate Mattel, they're a business trying to make money and we don't know what goes on behind the scenes. What I hate as a collector is: The sublines The variants The exclusives The UK basically getting nothing anymore. My dream would be going back to JUST waves of Elites, 6 figures each wave, a mixture of current and flashback. No exclusives or variants. 2018 has hurt my interest, its hurt my collection but its helped my wallet. (I've bought 3 figures since June) I am not importing or paying £40 - £50 quid for a lump of plastic shaped like Brian Kendrick, Drew McIntyre, Harley Race or Alundra Blayze. If they were £20 online or in a shop I would buy them instantly. Exactly this^
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Dec 7, 2018 7:27:40 GMT -5
We came all the way from having fully skintoned casted torsos to painted torso to mattel repainting a 2017 Goldberg to pass it off as a ‘98 Goldberg in a overpriced packaging and music stand... Oh my goodness, I thought I was the only one who thought this! That EG Goldberg looked very off, and I couldn't put my finger on it. Makes total sense now. Weirdly enough, I think the scan looks like him from the front, but not the sides. The sides resemble more of a gorilla. A few minor touch ups and it could of been a really good figure, even if they didn’t bother to give him a unique body. Give him the tan skintone, add some gloss to his boots, add some open elbow pads, as well as open back kneepads. Finally, give him a younger scan and add some highlights or toning to his goatee. Not that hard of a figure to make.
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Post by Sting on Dec 7, 2018 7:30:49 GMT -5
I don't hate them, but I will give you an example of a thing they do that annoys me. Surfer Sting is one of the most colorfully attired wrestlers in history. There are a multitude of colors and color combinations to choose from, and they come up with this... Lol its like they've never seen one of my matches. Just here you go, a blank figure haha
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Dec 7, 2018 8:21:21 GMT -5
I don't get it. Quality is supposedly going down, yet I haven't had any issues. In all the years I've been buying Mattel (since day 1), I've had ONE come from Ringside that looked bad. Face printing is supposed to be a disaster, yet mine have all been great. I actually prefer it usually. They say "prices going up but quality going down". Yet we're getting interchangeable hands and the occasionally multiple faces for the same price they were before. Complaints about distribution, yet 9 times out of 10, that has more to do with the stores than it does Mattel. They say "too many big names missing", yet I could barely name ten figures I'd want we haven't gotten or that aren't in the works. They complain about Exclusives yet complain we aren't getting more new names a year. Now they claim that Hasbro can do better. Well Hasbro would have the same issues. No thanks, grass ain't always greener. There you go. I’m still lost at so many directing anger towards distribution. Mattel makes the product and ships it to whoever paid for an order. The only thing they can do is put pressure on the buyer to get it from the warehouse to the locations, but with so many other companies fighting for space, they can’t get too ugly with the buyers or they could give that shelf space to someone else. They have to manage expectations just like we do, only we can’t seem to do that in a tactful manner anymore. A little while ago I mentioned it would be a good idea to try and find the new face print technology figures in store as Mattel worked out the issues with it for several months, but I ignored my own advice with BF/CM and purchased quite a few anyway, including two UE sets. Strictly speaking on those two sets; all three had identical scans right down to some spots/patches in O’Reilly’s beard. EG Goldberg doesn’t have eyeliner, but maybe the beard could have had a few less open spots. Going out shopping I’ve been looking more closely at all the figures even if I’m not buying, and I’m really not seeing anything like the handful of printing issues that have been posted. I’ve never had a Jakks or Mattel break being pulled out of the package. I have had 2 Marvel legends do that. I’ve had joints stuck on both, but less than I can count on one hand combined. Have I been lucky? Sure, but with the sheer amount I’ve purchased over the years I should have had at least one terrible figure, especially online, but I really haven’t.
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Post by CampCornette on Dec 7, 2018 9:04:42 GMT -5
Because everyone expects perfection 24/7. Especially in this age. “I spent my hard earned money!”
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Post by Sting on Dec 7, 2018 10:03:40 GMT -5
I don't get it. Quality is supposedly going down, yet I haven't had any issues. In all the years I've been buying Mattel (since day 1), I've had ONE come from Ringside that looked bad. Face printing is supposed to be a disaster, yet mine have all been great. I actually prefer it usually. They say "prices going up but quality going down". Yet we're getting interchangeable hands and the occasionally multiple faces for the same price they were before. Complaints about distribution, yet 9 times out of 10, that has more to do with the stores than it does Mattel. They say "too many big names missing", yet I could barely name ten figures I'd want we haven't gotten or that aren't in the works. They complain about Exclusives yet complain we aren't getting more new names a year. Now they claim that Hasbro can do better. Well Hasbro would have the same issues. No thanks, grass ain't always greener. There you go. I’m still lost at so many directing anger towards distribution. Mattel makes the product and ships it to whoever paid for an order. The only thing they can do is put pressure on the buyer to get it from the warehouse to the locations, but with so many other companies fighting for space, they can’t get too ugly with the buyers or they could give that shelf space to someone else. They have to manage expectations just like we do, only we can’t seem to do that in a tactful manner anymore. A little while ago I mentioned it would be a good idea to try and find the new face print technology figures in store as Mattel worked out the issues with it for several months, but I ignored my own advice with BF/CM and purchased quite a few anyway, including two UE sets. Strictly speaking on those two sets; all three had identical scans right down to some spots/patches in O’Reilly’s beard. EG Goldberg doesn’t have eyeliner, but maybe the beard could have had a few less open spots. Going out shopping I’ve been looking more closely at all the figures even if I’m not buying, and I’m really not seeing anything like the handful of printing issues that have been posted. I’ve never had a Jakks or Mattel break being pulled out of the package. I have had 2 Marvel legends do that. I’ve had joints stuck on both, but less than I can count on one hand combined. Have I been lucky? Sure, but with the sheer amount I’ve purchased over the years I should have had at least one terrible figure, especially online, but I really haven’t. I think distribution is Mattel's fault, at least partly. Of course the stores themselves have to get the figures and Mattel can't force them to. Yes, there are also other toys competing for the shelf space too. However, we can compare to Jakks' distribution of WWE figures. I know lots of things have changed in the toy world and consumers' spending patterns in the last 10 years but I think, generally, you can make a comparison. Here in the UK we were spoilt for choice for Jakks figures. I think I managed to find literally every figure I wanted in stores near me. With Mattel figures I haven't bought a single figure from a store. I've bought everything online. Some from UK stores, some I have had to import from the USA at much greater cost. There is a market in the UK for Mattel figures but we're hardly getting anything, and, to compound the issue, one of the stores that do stock elites may be stopping. If Jakks could get us our figures then why can't Mattel? I don't know what the distribution issue is like for you guys from state to state, if its like what we have in the UK then that can't just be our stores' fault. The one common thread out of all of this is Mattel.
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