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Post by BØRNS on Apr 8, 2019 18:18:44 GMT -5
Rollins vs Lesnar (c) w/Heyman- I think having this match go on first definitely was unexpected because I was expecting it to go on later in the show like near the end or even in the middle of the PPV. However, the right man in the end went over. Now we don't have a part-time champion who only defends at certain PPVs as we get a full time champion again that being Rollins. Last time Rollins was ever a World Champion was 2016 so to say that Rollins was due is an understatement. He is overdue for a title reign and plus it would make no sense for Brock to go over especially if Brock is on his way back to UFC to go fight Cormier. Plus with a full-time champion like Rollins, he can actually have programs with the WWE Universal Championship and the belt can be defended properly which is what you want for your world titles as a company. I thought having Lesnar/Rollins first was a way to have Lesnar retain because 1) the pre-match attack would protect Rollins, 2) commentary kept saying Rollins didn't expect the match to start the show and he wouldn't be warmed up. I don't see the logic behind any of that. Rollins should have lost, or they shouldn't have done that outside crap.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Apr 8, 2019 18:30:47 GMT -5
I'm not sure if someone else said this, but instead of a 7+ hour show in one night, why not break it up into a weekend extravaganza? A 2 day Wtestlemania.
Thoughts?
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Post by drifter on Apr 8, 2019 18:50:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure if someone else said this, but instead of a 7+ hour show in one night, why not break it up into a weekend extravaganza? A 2 day Wtestlemania. Thoughts? There's no way I could see them making WrestleMania a two night event, plus, you'd have to have it happen during the day, because they have the Hall of Fame at night. And in a way, ever since they created the TakeOver shows for NXT, it's almost like night one of WrestleMania. Like they're the opening act, while WrestleMania is the headliner.
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Post by RybackV1 on Apr 8, 2019 19:01:17 GMT -5
rip Coles voice
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Post by theMOESIAH on Apr 8, 2019 19:03:49 GMT -5
So I'm a little behind on WWE. How the hell did Braun ago from one of the top guys in the company to the pre-show so quickly?? Looking back at it, the ending of the main event doesn't piss me off anymore but at the time I was thinking wtf. I still enjoyed Becky/Ronda/Charlotte and at least Becky won and got her big moment. Same here. I thought that was a bullcrap finish to protect Ronda but oddly enough I actually liked it better when I learned it was a botch.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Apr 8, 2019 19:04:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure if someone else said this, but instead of a 7+ hour show in one night, why not break it up into a weekend extravaganza? A 2 day Wtestlemania. Thoughts? I would be shocked if WM isn't a full weekend event in the next 3-5 years.
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Post by Dan on Apr 9, 2019 13:08:58 GMT -5
Hard to know where to start considering it was so painfully long, but I'm just going to summarise in short points.
- I didn't have high expectations at all for this show, and was actually pleasantly surprised with a large chunk of it, considering it was the least I've ever looked forward to a Wrestlemania. It definitely feels like they have turned a page now and are heading in a new era, with the trust in the Women to main event, the shackles off on caring so possessively about their hand picked guys to win with Seth Rollins and Kofi both winning the big ones, and the need to not have to shoehorn Cena and Undertaker and most other part time stars onto the card for the sake of selling the event.
- Structure. I thought the match order was near enough spot on to be honest. I said to a few people that I had a feeling the Undisputed Championship would go on first. I knew it would be quick, impactful, and the crowd would be hot for it, and it made sense. Whilst I'd definitely have taken at least 3 of the matches off of the card (Roman Reigns vs Drew McIntyre, potentially Finn Balor vs Lashley, Womens Tag Titles, Smackdown Tag Titles), I thought there was logic in how each one has a varied approach to the next, and it helped freshen the event up. Brock Lesnar vs Seth Rollins was quick and fast, AJ Styles vs Randy Orton was the solid wrestling Match, Miz vs Shane was a mad falls count anywhere match in which they were emphasising using as much out of ring action as possible, Daniel Bryan vs Kofi Kingston was the more dramatic and cinematic match, Triple H vs Batista was the more stiff brawl-based match, Samoa Joe vs Rey was the quick shock, Kurt Angle had the emotional send off, and the Main Event was the Main Event. In that sense, it flowed well, and wasn't just one wrestling match after another, and you can kind of predict now what Match will be like what.
- Outcomes. I think they made the right decision with virtually all of the winners in fairness. Main gripe is with Baron Corbin, mainly because somebody else should have gotten that rub, or because 99% of people were expecting a plot twist with Cena or Undertaker, especially since the WWE put so much public stock into who should the opponent be. But, the moment where Angle welled up and waved goodbye before doing the moonsault was up there with HBK's 'Im sorry I love you', in terms of emotional one of a kind moments, and I think it'll go underrated in that sense. It was almost like the third wall was broken, in the sense that he, and then we, knew the end was coming before it did, and how it would play out. I'm grateful he got a Wrestlemania sendoff though, and I understand that Corbin will get a ton of natural heat for it, I just think there may have been a better placed opponent on the card to do so. I also thought that it was a shame to see that Brock Lesnar finally lost clean for the Title at Wrestlemania, and yet it didn't even seem like that big of a deal. It's now come full circle, and the rub of beating the most dominant Champion in history was just dragged out too long. Mainly, it was the Roman Reigns experiment which tarnished this, ultiumately building him as the guy to finally slay the Beast, only to bottle it when they had the chance at Wrestlemania 34. Forward one year on, and it's just gone on too long to the point where the majority of people are ultimately tired of Lesnar plain and simple, his own value has diminished, and everybody is more just relieved that the Belt isn't on him anymore as opposed to it being a huge David vs Goliath beast slaying moment.
- Main Event. Entrances and all were great, but the finish was ridiculously bad, as was a lot of that Match, if I'm brutally honest. The Match should have lasted half the length. The crowd was tired, and we were all just waiting for it to hurry up and get on with Becky winning. I don't actually think there was meant to be any controversy from the finish, I think the idea was to protect Ronda Rousey in the sense that Becky had caught her off guard with a quick roll up and stole one over her, making her still look strong and in good condition and not having her tap out or knocked out, which would be unrealistic. However, they simply botched it by her shoulders not going down quick enough, and I'm sure they'll have no choice but to factor in a rematch down the line.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Apr 9, 2019 14:08:55 GMT -5
First and last time a women's match will ever main event a Mania, hell, I don't think they'll even main event another PPV including "Evolution!" They crap the bed hard on that match. Kofi does NOT deserve to be world champion. Just because you work the fries and McDonalds for 11 years doesn't mean you get to become Ronald McDonald. Kofi is just a mid-carder. Hell, I would much rather have Kofi beat the Honky Tonk Mans IC title record then ever have him near the world title belt. Big E should have been the one to become the champion. Take you and the Kofi bandwagon and park it somewhere else. I liked AJ vs Orton. Usos need to go away for a while and Ricochet and Black would be much better of as singles. Curt Hawkins finally winning? Wish they would have had them lost on Raw the next night. HHH and Bats? Eh. LOL "Demon" Balor? This guy is the MOST unbelievable wrestler in the WWE. He's 134 pounds and 5 foot and a half. He would be the "POOM" on an indy card! Brawn? Can they just release him please. What a waste. Let him do something better somewhere else. I like Baron Corbin now just because everyone else hates him. And yes, Angle should have lost the match. I like the old school way of the guy going out putting over the younger talent. Screw Shane McMahon. Tired of the idiot bosses kid winning everything. And I liked pissed off Miz. and finally, Joan Jett? Call me.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Apr 9, 2019 19:18:06 GMT -5
I'm not sure if someone else said this, but instead of a 7+ hour show in one night, why not break it up into a weekend extravaganza? A 2 day Wtestlemania. Thoughts? It doubles the entry price. A $300 ticket becomes a $600 ticket, and so on. It’s a risk, in terms of revenue. Both nights run the risk of being less special than the current one night, too. There’s not really a comparison for it in terms of live events but they may as well try it.
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Post by Edge618 on Apr 10, 2019 5:06:44 GMT -5
I'm not sure if someone else said this, but instead of a 7+ hour show in one night, why not break it up into a weekend extravaganza? A 2 day Wtestlemania. Thoughts? It doubles the entry price. A $300 ticket becomes a $600 ticket, and so on. It’s a risk, in terms of revenue. Both nights run the risk of being less special than the current one night, too. There’s not really a comparison for it in terms of live events but they may as well try it. I think its a nice idea. Maybe even do night 1 as Smackdown and night 2 as Raw. Or maybe even night 1 as women and night 2 as men. It would make it much easier to digest. And i think if they wanted they could lower the ticket price. Instead of doubling ticket price, meet in the middle. That way they make more than they would on a single night and the fans get more for less. And here's a crazy thought i just had that might sound counter productive but hear me out. Scrap the pre-show talking and build completely. Thats what Raw and Smackdown is for. If its going to be a 7 hour event, i say do an hour long halftime show. I know that makes it seem even longer but imagine watching 3 hours from 3-6 CT, hour break, and rest of show is 7-10. I really feel like these big event audiences need a break during the shows. From one thing to the next is too exhausting and theyre dead by the main events. I know from experience at Mania 28. I was most hyped for Punk vs Jericho and i used all my energy on Taker/HHH and i sat silently watching Jericho/Punk and wondering why i wasnt the slightest bit captivated.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Apr 10, 2019 5:50:32 GMT -5
So I finally got done watching WM after 3 nights and I have to say I didnt enjoy it as much as previous years. How come braun was in the battle royal which wasnt even on the main show? seems strange for a guy they have been pushing for so long. The highlight was Cena and the thuganomics entrance, really wasnt expecting that one. I enjoyed HHH and Batista, a good old school match, refreshing after watching all these smaller high spot guys for so long. I dont care what anyone says, give me HHH vs Batista over these highflyers like your ricochet's any day of the week. Timing felt off on a lot of matches, and there was quite a few that didnt even need to be on the card, Joe vs Mysterio springs to mind as well as one or two others I cant remember off the top of my head. Couldnt care less about the womens main event, i find their spiel all a bit overbearing, how they are the greatest, toughest, the queen and all that nonsense, its a real turn off. I hate over confidence and thats how they come across with their promos. Sooner Ronda is gone the better, cant stand her, Becky is just as annoying and Charlotte doesnt do much for me. 4/10 show for me. Kurt must be in brutal shape, he can barely move, glad he is finally giving it up.
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Post by bigshab421 on Apr 10, 2019 8:58:47 GMT -5
Honestly, if they're going to continue to have Mania be a 7+ hour show, they should probably move the time up to 5 or 6 P.M. for the main card. It's utterly ridiculous that they run that show 7pm-12:30am.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Apr 10, 2019 17:30:01 GMT -5
It doubles the entry price. A $300 ticket becomes a $600 ticket, and so on. It’s a risk, in terms of revenue. Both nights run the risk of being less special than the current one night, too. There’s not really a comparison for it in terms of live events but they may as well try it. I think its a nice idea. Maybe even do night 1 as Smackdown and night 2 as Raw. Or maybe even night 1 as women and night 2 as men. It would make it much easier to digest. And i think if they wanted they could lower the ticket price. Instead of doubling ticket price, meet in the middle. That way they make more than they would on a single night and the fans get more for less. When they’re renting the stadium for a live event for two nights, they’re not going to lower the ticket price. The wrestlers might only be working one of the two nights, but the thousands of venue staff would have to work both.’
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Post by Escape The Rules on Apr 12, 2019 16:35:20 GMT -5
Had the time of my life mate!!
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Post by theicwguy on Apr 12, 2019 16:47:00 GMT -5
Had the time of my life mate!! Glad to hear it mate. Happy with the results?
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Post by Escape The Rules on Apr 12, 2019 17:01:15 GMT -5
Had the time of my life mate!! Glad to hear it mate. Happy with the results? Yeah can't complain, with the exception of how they sent off Kurt Angle, that was garbage. Can't believe they actually went through with it. It almost makes me think that it might not have been his proper send off just yet, because he didn't seem as emotional as I thought he would have at the end of it all. But with such a garbage opponent you can't really blame him.
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Post by theicwguy on Apr 12, 2019 17:08:06 GMT -5
Glad to hear it mate. Happy with the results? Yeah can't complain, with the exception of how they sent off Kurt Angle, that was garbage. Can't believe they actually went through with it. It almost makes me think that it might not have been his proper send off just yet, because he didn't seem as emotional as I thought he would have at the end of it all. But with such a garbage opponent you can't really blame him. I'm happy for Kofi, Seth and Becky. I was surprised that Batista lost but I guess someone had too. Overall a really good Mania one of the best in my opinion.
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Post by Weemanv1 on Apr 13, 2019 19:13:32 GMT -5
I had to tap out before the Angle/Corbin match and just got caught up now. I will say that the show didn't feel long, but y'know, work obligations and such mean I do have to get some sleep the night before.
I thought the show was great, especially since going into it it felt like a very "just OK" show. Bryan/Kofi was match of the night undeniably. The women's main event was pretty good after it got going. That hanging armbar bump Ronda took was pretty scary. The top rope Spanish fly Becky took was even scarier. I heard all kinds of things about the ending, but while a little abrupt in the moment I didn't hate it.
Miz with that suplex off the scaffolding was insane. He works such a safe style that you have to give him major kudos for that. Also really enjoyed demon Balor. He seemed a bit more wild and intense which is exactly what his demon persona should be. Also props to Lashley for that spear.
The only match that I thought was a let down was Batista/Triple H. It felt slow and boring and that made the longest match feel even longer. I completely lost interest until Flair showed up for the distraction which was conveniently also near the end of the match.
Now to get caught up on events from the post-Mania shows.
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Post by Escape The Rules on Apr 19, 2019 11:46:39 GMT -5
Yeah can't complain, with the exception of how they sent off Kurt Angle, that was garbage. Can't believe they actually went through with it. It almost makes me think that it might not have been his proper send off just yet, because he didn't seem as emotional as I thought he would have at the end of it all. But with such a garbage opponent you can't really blame him. I'm happy for Kofi, Seth and Becky. I was surprised that Batista lost but I guess someone had too. Overall a really good Mania one of the best in my opinion. I thought Batista losing was obvious. He wanted his last match against HHH. And he had never lost to HHH before so I figured it was obvious that HHH would finally get a win back. That and I didn't think for a second that he'd be retiring.
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